Why does smaller have to mean subpar?

iBreatheApple

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Not only is the next generation iPhone about 6 months away, but the SE already lacks things the 6 and 6S have. Don't get me wrong, I'm somewhat impressed with the new phone and what it offers, but I want a 7 with a smaller screen and I hate that you have to sacrifice. No, I don't know what they will announce in the coming months but it's not unreasonable to say there will be no 4-inch version given the release of the SE.
 

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Give the SE full 6s specs (except screen) and charge full 6s price then. I would have happily bought it
That's my point, apple is about upselling, so they purposely leave out some features. I'm about 90% I'll be ordering it myself, as those features that are not in the SE (but in the 6s) aren't that important to me.
 

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I stopped following Apple. What is it missing?
TouchID 2.0, 3D touch, upgraded Facetime iSight camera, and it has a 960x640 screen resolution.

It is all about marketing. Apple must differentiate between devices so that one does not cannibalize the other. They could have added these features at additional cost but Apple also wanted to extend it's sales into the lower priced market.
Why don't they market me a more expensive 4-inch version of the best phone they offer?
 
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Why don't they market me a more expensive 4-inch version of the best phone they offer?
Storage also tops out at 64 GB. I'm always using up space on my 128.

But you know what, I had a 64 GB storage before and could compromise on storage to get back to that form factor. I was happiest with the smaller size. Unless the 7 is really incredible in some way I am tempted to return to this stripped down smaller iPhone SE if something happens to my IPhone 6S Plus. I bought this monster for the camera and you know what, it's good but it's not THAT good to make up for the pain in the tail of carrying it. I'm getting an SE for my daughter and I know I'm going to be drooling over it.

3D Touch is something I end up forgetting exists or screwing up on so I don't care one way or another about it. It's nice when I remember it's there and use it properly but...whatever. I DO like the latest and greatest Touch ID. It works well on my 6S Plus. It's a shame if that got left off.
 

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Why don't they market me a more expensive 4-inch version of the best phone they offer?
Because Apple is accomplishing more by doing it this way. People like you who want a premium device can justify their purchases by looking at the performance, battery life and build quality. People who don't want to spend a ton will be pleased with the price.

They are targeting two different markets as opposed to one.
 
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Not only is the next generation iPhone about 6 months away, but the SE already lacks things the 6 and 6S have. Don't get me wrong, I'm somewhat impressed with the new phone and what it offers, but I want a 7 with a smaller screen and I hate that you have to sacrifice. No, I don't know what they will announce in the coming months but it's not unreasonable to say there will be no 4-inch version given the release of the SE.
Why do you think the 6S+ has better battery life than the 6S? A larger case means more space for battery and / or other parts. Likewise, a smaller phone case means less space for other components. If they had tried to force the force touch sensor in, it likely means way less space necessitating a smaller battery.

Apple squeezed in the best specs where they could and left out where they couldn't afford to compromise. It's simple physics.
 

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Why does the 4.7" not have OIS? Why is it rumored that only the 5.5" will have dual cameras? It's all about pushing people to the top tier to make more money. I personally hate the SE, not because I have issues with it's Specs or don't want people to have a smaller iPhone, but because it gives Apple an excuse to not reduce the overall size of the 4.7" and 5.5" phones, which is what I think Apple should have done to bring in all those "I want a 4" iPhone" people.
 

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Why does the 4.7" not have OIS? Why is it rumored that only the 5.5" will have dual cameras? It's all about pushing people to the top tier to make more money. I personally hate the SE, not because I have issues with it's Specs or don't want people to have a smaller iPhone, but because it gives Apple an excuse to not reduce the overall size of the 4.7" and 5.5" phones, which is what I think Apple should have done to bring in all those "I want a 4" iPhone" people.
I understand what you're saying. But screen size is not the place to do this. It's like saying they're leaving out features on the silver phone because they want to push people to the black version for better specs. Sounds silly, right? That's how I perceive what they are doing with screen size. I don't expect all phones to have top features, but I do expect a choice in size, just as I have with color, without compromise. I get that I'm SOL because that's simply not how they're doing it, but that's the point I'm trying to convey.
 

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Why does the 4.7" not have OIS? Why is it rumored that only the 5.5" will have dual cameras? It's all about pushing people to the top tier to make more money. I personally hate the SE, not because I have issues with it's Specs or don't want people to have a smaller iPhone, but because it gives Apple an excuse to not reduce the overall size of the 4.7" and 5.5" phones, which is what I think Apple should have done to bring in all those "I want a 4" iPhone" people.
There is no free lunch. You can't just whittle the size down without either sacrificing internal space/components or increasing costs (to make those components smaller while maintaining quality).

Could you decrease the bezels a little without giving up much? Yeah maybe, but probably not enough to make a difference to those who wont get anything larger than a 4" screen.
 
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I understand what you're saying. But screen size is not the place to do this. It's like saying they're leaving out features on the silver phone because they want to push people to the black version for better specs. Sounds silly, right? That's how I perceive what they are doing with screen size. I don't expect all phones to have top features, but I do expect a choice in size, just as I have with color, without compromise. I get that I'm SOL because that's simply not how they're doing it, but that's the point I'm trying to convey.
I would have zero issue if Apple had a "Pro" line of iPhones (dumb name, blame Apple) and just a regular line, all consisting of 4, 4.7 and 5.5" phones but different specs/price points. I know people around here don't want a thousand Apple products, but I agree with you that they should either all be top of the line phones in various screen sizes, or they need multiple lines with various screen sizes.
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There is no free lunch. You can't just whittle the size down without either sacrificing internal space/components or increasing costs (to make those components smaller while maintaining quality).

Could you decrease the bezels a little without giving up much? Yeah maybe, but probably not enough to make a difference to those who wont get anything larger than a 4" screen.
I have no idea what Apple is technically able to do, I just know other phone manufactures are able to have significantly better screen to device size ratios so Apple should be able to at least match that, if not better it. I'd rather have a slightly thicker phone than one that keeps the same overall size. I look forward to the day when Apple can integrate TouchID into the screen and abandons the home button.
 

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For me personally, the above 4 features are not even close to being worth an extra $250 ($399 SE vs $649 6s)

If anything I'm happy Apple didn't include these non-essential features and instead passed on the significant cost savings onto the customer by leaving them out :)
 

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Isn't it interesting how the first thing that Apple cuts costs in is always the FaceTime HD camera (like the MacBook)? It's still the same one from the 5s when they could have easily used the one from the iPhone 6 (like the iPod touch 6th generation does).

To be fair, they did price the phone at $399 instead of $449, though I'm sure many would have paid the extra $50 to have the latest 5MP FaceTime HD camera.
 

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Why don't they market me a more expensive 4-inch version of the best phone they offer?
On Apples site it shows....1136-by-640-pixel resolution at 326 ppm

3D touch will take up more battery space. What would I rather have, better battery or 3D touch that I would never use ?

Touch ID is nice but at times its too fast.

Facetime iSight camera for Selfies is not my thing, and really don't need it. Some like it. I'd rather save the money.
 
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Isn't it interesting how the first thing that Apple cuts costs in is always the FaceTime HD camera (like the MacBook)? It's still the same one from the 5s when they could have easily used the one from the iPhone 6 (like the iPod touch 6th generation does).

To be fair, they did price the phone at $399 instead of $449, though I'm sure many would have paid the extra $50 to have the latest 5MP FaceTime HD camera.
If rather save the 50 bucks and at $399 is a steal (so to speak for apple)
 
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Why don't they market me a more expensive 4-inch version of the best phone they offer?
It's simple and it's because Apple didn't set out to make a smaller version of their latest phone, but a more affordable entry level version of the phone that is also smaller.
 

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OP, this is an upgrade. You're just comparing it to the wrong model.

The iPhone SE is an upgrade to the iPhone 5s. And it's considerably more advanced than the iPhone 5c, which is probably the phone Apple intends it to replace.

It's not a 6/6s with a 4.7 inch screen and Apple didn't intend it to be - so we can't make those expectations about it.
 
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