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Why does smaller have to mean subpar?
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As others have said, I think the things I'm most torn about are the lack of 2nd Gen Touch ID, and I'm actually starting to use 3D Touch much more now (ever since getting beta 9.3). I'm even using 3D Touch to switch apps. If this had been out before I got my 6S, I'd have never known the difference. I suspect Apple also knew this, which could be a possible explanation for delaying the SE.
I'm torn because I miss the design and size of the 5s. My hands are stretching to use the 6 and now 6S.
I'm torn because I miss the design and size of the 5s. My hands are stretching to use the 6 and now 6S.
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/touch-id-too-fast-now.1921863/How is Touch ID being too fast a bad thing?
That's my planned strategy so far, too. I'm getting an SE for my daughter and I'm going to play around with it. Then I'm going to continue to use and enjoy my wonderful but oversized 6S Plus. I'm going to see what the 7 brings. I'm not really planning to buy the 7 because really, I got burned buying the 6 Plus. It was my least favorite iPhone so far and I think based on that experience I'm going to stay with the S iteration of the flagship IF I stay with the flagship.
That's the thing I need to decide: am I going to continue to stay with the flagship when it comes in a form factor I find awkward and annoying?
I'm impressed with the SE's battery stats. I'm seriously tempted to go back. It's more impressive (on paper) than I was expecting it to be. I can't wait to try it in person. I'm glad they stayed with the beautiful iPhone 5 style and polished it up a little.
Considering that even both models of the iPad Pro lack second-generation Touch ID, I'm guessing the SE lacking it is more of a shortage of second-generation Touch ID sensors rather than Apple deliberately aiming to not have them in the SE.
The SE is probably priced where it is with what it has due to a combination of the price point that Apple was aiming for, avoidance of eating too much into the sales of other iPhones, and the amount of components that Apple can get their hands on for what products. If Apple's suppliers can't make enough 3D Touch screens reliably, why would Apple give the SE or the iPad Pro 9.7" that feature when they need to keep making and selling the 6s and 6s Plus?
The SE is probably priced where it is with what it has due to a combination of the price point that Apple was aiming for, avoidance of eating too much into the sales of other iPhones, and the amount of components that Apple can get their hands on for what products. If Apple's suppliers can't make enough 3D Touch screens reliably, why would Apple give the SE or the iPad Pro 9.7" that feature when they need to keep making and selling the 6s and 6s Plus?
It's good to see that I am not the only one in this group of people. I personally would like to see all the latest and greatest features in a smaller package. I would even pay the same price for a 4 inch model of the 6S if it had all the same features, but since it has a few less features I think the price difference is nice.
Check out the First impressions and the Apple Announces New 4-Inch iPhone SE Starting at $399
I think you'll get a good bit of info regarding the SE from those two threads
Let's day apple made a 4 " 6s plus equivalent (I picked the plus since it had ois and the 6s doesn't).
Let's also say that they upped the ppi to match the plus (this Jay bit make sense in terms of resolution but I'm just trying to say they are equals on all fronts except for screen size since the smaller screen is a desirable feature.
What would that device be worth to you? Do you feel Apple should be knocking off $100 per screen size difference? If we followed that trend we would have a $550 phone that has much lower margins than the others. I'm not saying apple couldn't afford it, but it wouldn't be in their best interest as a business. They've already made the decision of 16gb being the base storage size for about half a decade now, after all.
Let's also say that they upped the ppi to match the plus (this Jay bit make sense in terms of resolution but I'm just trying to say they are equals on all fronts except for screen size since the smaller screen is a desirable feature.
What would that device be worth to you? Do you feel Apple should be knocking off $100 per screen size difference? If we followed that trend we would have a $550 phone that has much lower margins than the others. I'm not saying apple couldn't afford it, but it wouldn't be in their best interest as a business. They've already made the decision of 16gb being the base storage size for about half a decade now, after all.
I'm actually fine with a phone that small not having OIS because I believe somethings gotta give for the small size. And I was never unhappy with the resolution for that small of a screen.
I do think it would be nice to offer it with the same amount of storage as the bigger dogs. It tops out at 64 GB and I would pay extra for more storage. 128 is what I actually do tend to use up. But you know what, I could deal with the 64. If I hadn't invested in the 6S Plus I would have gone for the SE when I decided to part ways with my 6 Plus which was an annoying phone for me.
Why can't they sell a version of the iPhone SE for more money? If you have two phones the same price but one is bigger than the other.
Wouldn't the "optical" part in OIS imply hardware rather than software (which would be more of "digital" or something else along those lines)?
How much longer can Apple keep this up? Samsung's Galaxy phones are getting better and better with each iteration and it may not be long before the more casual customers decide to switch because Samsung are seemingly listening to their concerns. (a passably smooth UI coupled with all the fancy bells and whistles regardless the size of the phone)
I really couldn't say. This move (creating the SE) was, in my eyes, already Apple's move to adapt to the market. People clearly want smaller phones but they also clearly want budget phones. I honestly think this device is going to capture a good bit of market share because it's the cheapest phone Apple sold in a decade and it's a refreshed smaller form factor device that, apparetly, people are asking for.
Edit: apparently you are right. The OIS module is larger. I learned something today
In real world comparisons it seems to only make a difference in video, and there was discussion about it being a software implementation.
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It is, but it seems like Samsung is making larger strides and has sort of caught up, if not surpassed, Apple.
I think the things not included are absolutely trivial. It's basically an improvement on the 6 in every way (screen size being a personal preference of course) and just short of the 6s in a few not-very-important ways.
I agree that it would be nice to have the option of every feature at every size, but this is not half bad in terms of feature parity for a significantly less expensive device.
I agree that it would be nice to have the option of every feature at every size, but this is not half bad in terms of feature parity for a significantly less expensive device.
Colour me wrong, but I think Apple is pissing a hell of a lot of people off by not offering a flagship 4" iPhone with 128GB of storage, and quite possibly leaving a lot of money on the table, too.
When you consider their vast resources, I simply don't understand why they don't offer a proper bloody 4" flagship iPhone. Is my frustration coming across? They can still charge a pretty penny for it, just give us the frigging choice. This assumption that all who want the normal-size iPhone are either poor or have basic needs is a load of nonsense.
I really think this is one of the biggest mis-steps Apple has made in the past two years.
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The battery life certainly looks good on paper, but I would suggest waiting for Anandtech's real-life test results before buying the SE. They may be accurate, but they may also be a lot worst, going by the iPad.
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Not offering 128GB is not trivial.
What it means for me is that I can't have my whole photo library on my iPhone, which means every time I look at a photo, I have to wait for it to download and become unblurred. Such a pain. 128GB would mean solving that problem. Out of reception? Wouldn't be a problem; all my photos would already be there. With only 64GB, they're not.
When you consider their vast resources, I simply don't understand why they don't offer a proper bloody 4" flagship iPhone. Is my frustration coming across? They can still charge a pretty penny for it, just give us the frigging choice. This assumption that all who want the normal-size iPhone are either poor or have basic needs is a load of nonsense.
I really think this is one of the biggest mis-steps Apple has made in the past two years.
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The battery life certainly looks good on paper, but I would suggest waiting for Anandtech's real-life test results before buying the SE. They may be accurate, but they may also be a lot worst, going by the iPad.
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Not offering 128GB is not trivial.
What it means for me is that I can't have my whole photo library on my iPhone, which means every time I look at a photo, I have to wait for it to download and become unblurred. Such a pain. 128GB would mean solving that problem. Out of reception? Wouldn't be a problem; all my photos would already be there. With only 64GB, they're not.
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Why would I care what Anandtech (or any other review says) for that matter. Basically you know what you are getting and how it will perform and an estimate of the battery life. Apple probably will sell 10 million of these before Anandtech gets a review out.
As far as the bolded, apple has done their homework and "balanced the equation" so to speak. Those they may have "pissed off" are going to be outnumber by those who are going to buy iphone SE. I'm sure they believe there is no money to be left on the table and there certainly isn't any way of even making an educated guess at that.
You're so wrong.
The iPad has always been advertised as having 10 hours of battery life for browsing. Yet, within that figure, lie huge fluctuations, ranging from much less to much more. I have seen as much as over 13 hours in some tests, and less than 9 hours in real life, depending on which model it is and which year. So no, you don't have any idea of what you're getting when it comes to battery life, because Apple are so inaccurate with their quoted figures. It could be much better or much worse.
Did Apple do their homework with the iPad? Did they really want 10 quarters of plummeting sales? I don't think so. You have given an educated guess on how many SEs Apple will sell, then in the same breath, say that there is no way of making an educated guess.
It's not just as bad as selling different specs for different colors. It's saying that people with smaller hands are second class customers. Even though none of the missing features is a dealbreaker for me (though better FaceTime camera would really be nice), I'm still ever so slightly miffed.
Don't get me wrong, I'm still going to buy the SE. And at the price point it's a good buy. But I'm annoyed that they didn't offer full feature parity at full price parity.
Because if those features WERE important to me I'd be unable to buy and use a phone that had them because my hands are in the 33rd instead of the 66th percentile in size.
Apparently people who are slightly smaller than average don't care about taking selfies? Or don't take enough videos to want 128GB of storage? (Sure. Tell that to any teenage girl.)
Don't get me wrong, I'm still going to buy the SE. And at the price point it's a good buy. But I'm annoyed that they didn't offer full feature parity at full price parity.
Because if those features WERE important to me I'd be unable to buy and use a phone that had them because my hands are in the 33rd instead of the 66th percentile in size.
Apparently people who are slightly smaller than average don't care about taking selfies? Or don't take enough videos to want 128GB of storage? (Sure. Tell that to any teenage girl.)