Why don't apple give a full screen option

[clevin]

when ppl begin to offer personal opinions about other ppl's personality, its about the time to give up the discussion.

Nobody is perfect, most mac users, just like most pc users, don't give a $$$ about what other ppl is using. Trying to categorize other people is really pointless.

and what is fullscreen?

This is fullscreen

 

[11800506]

When using my iMac, I find that I don't miss not having a maximized window option since it allows for multitasking much better. And when I go back to my PC, I find that I don't like the maximized windows as much as I like OS X's setup.

 

[TuffLuffJimmy]

here are my thoughts on maximized windows. In windows it makes sense to have maximized windows as you have the task bar down at the bottom of the screen. The task bar works kind of like tabs and you can easily switch between windows using that. However for maximized windows to work properly you would need something more like the taskbar. The dock, in the way it currently works, wouldn't work for this as you cannot see each window displayed in it, simply the applications. So if all of your windows are full screen then you would have a very hard time switching between them, without having to minimize, maximize, command tab, ect.

So unless Apple makes Mac OS X work and look just like Windows there is no good way of implementing maximized windows.

 

[motulist]

if all of your windows are full screen [in OS X] then you would have a very hard time switching between them, without having to minimize, maximize, command tab, ect.

So unless Apple makes Mac OS X work and look just like Windows there is no good way of implementing maximized windows.

I'm not sure I'm seeing your argument. How is command tabbing or hitting expose's see-all-open-windows button any less functional than having to move the mouse down to MS Window's task bar and having to identify the small sometimes hard to differentiate taskbar items and clicking on it?

 

[TuffLuffJimmy]

I'm not sure I'm seeing your argument. How is command tabbing or hitting expose's see-all-open-windows button any less functional than having to move the mouse down to MS Window's task bar and having to identify the small sometimes hard to differentiate taskbar items and clicking on it?

because command tab is switches between the last active window on an application basis, it doesn't allow you to choose specific windows. and a lot of people who use macs (my parents especially) get very confused by exposé. Also exposé can often make windows too small making it even harder to find the correct one.

Edit: oh sorry I didn't answer your question entirely. What I meant by that is that there isn't an obvious GUI method of getting to the other windows or even knowing that the other windows are there without using something like the taskbar.

 

[motulist]

because command tab is switches between the last active window on an application basis, it doesn't allow you to choose specific windows. and a lot of people who use macs (my parents especially) get very confused by exposé. Also exposé can often make windows too small making it even harder to find the correct one.

Smaller or harder to identify than the task bar items? Sounds untrue, you'd have to back that claim up for us to believe it.

 

[TuffLuffJimmy]

Smaller or harder to identify than the task bar items? Sounds untrue, you'd have to back that claim up for us to believe it.

well I'll back this up, but this is a very dead horse so after this I am done with this thread and you guys can have all the fun you want arguing.

If you have a good amount of text documents open and then you use expose they all look the exact same, the only way to tell the difference is to mouse over each one. on the taskbar their names would be displayed neat and easy.

 

[motulist]

If you have a good amount of text documents open and then you use expose they all look the exact same, the only way to tell the difference is to mouse over each one. on the taskbar their names would be displayed neat and easy.

But the reverse is just as true. If you have a lot of image windows open or web browser windows from the same site, they all are very discernible in expose, but in the windows task bar they all get named image001.jpg, image002.jpg, image003.jpg, etc. and all your browser windows are named "Mac Rumors foru..." "Mac Rumors foru..." "Mac Rumors foru..."

 

[IJ Reilly]

What a total ad hominem argument.

I agree. I tend to totally turn off to any argument that includes the term "fanboy," because what this really means is, "I'm not going to listen to anything you have to say because it could not possibly be rational."

 

[Nick T.]

I agree. I tend to totally turn off to any argument that includes the term "fanboy," because what this really means is, "I'm not going to listen to anything you have to say because it could not possibly be rational."

It must be nice to be so all powerful that you can write your own definitions of common use terms.

Or maybe it's a disease that is transmitted from one OS X fanatic to another via their common hatred of Windows.

fanboy, n. 1. a person with an extreme and uncritical enthusiasm for Apple products. Similar to a person afflicted with religious or political fanaticism. Syn. fanboi. < L. fanaticus, pertaining to a temple, inspired by orgiastic rites, frantic. Considered a derogatory term by some Apple computer users. Seldom used by non-Apple users.

 

[TuffLuffJimmy]

It must be nice to be so all powerful that you can write your own definitions of common use terms.

Or maybe it's a disease that is transmitted from one OS X fanatic to another via their common hatred of Windows.

fanboy, n. 1. a person with an extreme and uncritical enthusiasm for Apple products. Similar to a person afflicted with religious or political fanaticism. Syn. fanboi. < L. fanaticus, pertaining to a temple, inspired by orgiastic rites, frantic. Considered a derogatory term by some Apple computer users. Seldom used by non-Apple users.

way to wreck a thread that could have consisted of interesting level headed arguments.

 

[kamaron]

Is this a sect?

I have arrived here like many other people looking for an easy way to make an application extend its window so it occupies the maximum of space of that 20" screen that I have paid.
It not an exclusivity of Windows. Try Linux and ANY of its distributions.
It is a matter of economy
How many mouse actions do you require to expand a window with an Apple so it spreads accross yuor fuul screen?
I can bet you that many more than clicking on a button.
I do it with my Ubuntu box and I don't feel sick when I do it.
I can't understand why Apple users react so violently to such a normal question.
I hope that becoming an Apple user (I have just started today) doesn't mean becoming Apple fundamentalist or any other type of fundamentalism.

 

[IJ Reilly]

way to wreck a thread that could have consisted of interesting level headed arguments.

Well he made my point for me. At least we have that.

 

[Carnivor]

Sheesh, I spent 15 mins reading through this, what a waste

"Why don't apple give a full screen option"

if that was

"Why don't apple standardize the green button"

maybe it would have been a better thread to read

 

[Dane D.]

IMO fanbois who defend any and all of Apple's hardware and software weaknesses are only harming Apple and it's products because they relieve some of the pressure on Apple to bring their products up to industry standards.

Industry standards such as what? Who sets these so called standards? Why are they standards? Please, Apple's OS is fine without all these Windows-related ways of doing things. That's what sets Apple apart from the homogenized PCs running Windows.

 

[bartelby]

Is this a sect?

It's not called the Cult of Mac for nothing.

Maximised windows are fine (if you're into that kind of thing) but Full Screen just seems wrong to me. I have one app that does away with the Apple menu bar and I wish it didn't!

 

[IJ Reilly]

Industry standards such as what? Who sets these so called standards? Why are they standards? Please, Apple's OS is fine without all these Windows-related ways of doing things. That's what sets Apple apart from the homogenized PCs running Windows.

Well clearly, Apple won't be addressing industry standards until they put Shut Down under the Start menu.

 

[Luzzio]

If I was apple, to entice switchers, next to the Red Yellow And Green Buttons for window controlling...

I'd add a blue one, as a kinda windows full screen mode.

Switchers seem to hate that they can't go full screen and it winds me up at times too.

Might be a clever step, and it's not going to offend anyone a new blue button..

Try and ignore some of the fanboys. They think being Apple users before Macs used Intel makes them beings with a better opinion than 'switchers'.

Anyway, about the maximising window thing, I was also abit peeved about the lack of it at first. But I got used to it in the end and I think it isnt really that big of a deal.

It's rational to think that Apple just doesn't see the majority of OS X users wanting full screen for windows, as most of computer users are getting better at multitasking.

That's not to say I've not met moments where I wanted to maximize a browser window to fill up their entire screen. But there are also times when using Windows I accidentally maximize a window when wanting to optimize its size (that green button in OS X). I guess there are compromises.

Just my two cents.

 

[HLdan]

Well clearly, Apple won't be addressing industry standards until they put Shut Down under the Start menu.

Thank you, that has got to be one of the dumbest things about Windows is that you click START to SHUTDOWN. Funny how the Windows community and switchers talk about the green button being counter productive but they will accept how stupid Windows works.

 

[motulist]

Thank you, that has got to be one of the dumbest things about Windows is that you click START to SHUTDOWN. Funny how the Windows community and switchers talk about the green button being counter productive but they will accept how stupid Windows works.

Why are many of you falsely framing this discussion as if people are claiming that either MS Windows has everything right and Apple has everything wrong or vice versa.

The start menu to shut down thing has absolutely nothing to do with the topic of this thread. Just because a person claims that they believe that a maximize function is a useful function that MS Windows has and Apple lacks, that in no way shape or form suggests that the person also thinks that anything else at all that MS Windows does is better than what Apple does.

It's a shame that so often people in this forum chose to turn discussions about features someone wants OS X to have that already exist in another OS into a ridiculous and completely illogical flame war about which OS is better and who exactly is allowed to have a real opinion on the topic without being labelled and dismissed as a "switcher who won't adapt" or an "old school elitist Mac user who must be a fanboi and won't even consider that there are better ways."

Lets try to just discus individual topics rationally and logically without delving into ad hominem dismissive attacks or trying to reframe the argument into something that it is not.

 

[donmei]

the fanboys make me laugh.

No UI is perfect. Their excuses are just that, excuses. Here's the botom line. Windows UI is much worse than Leopards AND with Leopard comes the added benefit of a mature, stable, but thoroughly modern OS.

However, the lack of a "maximize" button is stupid. I dont care if it scales magically to screen width.

Sometimes, when you want to focus, you want to see only 1 window. PERIOD. Now I'm a bit A.D.D. so it is more of an issue for me than most.

But either way, one of the things that makes up a good UI is the ability for users to configure it to their tastes. Many people's tastes run towards full screen windows. Your place is not to challenge their taste. It is a reasonable request. Apple should allow that option.

Don
p.s. I am a Project Manager who runs teams that build software for a fortune 50 company. I run into this kind of ridiculous arrogance with developers every day. Actually, its usually not arrogance, its just that they are too close to the product to see its weaknesses. The arrogance is more often present on this site. There ARE some parts of the UI in Windows that are better than the coresponding features in Leopard. There arent many of them, but the ability to maximize a window is one of them. (actually, it may be the only one, but still . . )

 

[HLdan]

The start menu to shut down thing has absolutely nothing to do with the topic of this thread.

Oh buddy, but it so truly does. The issue is not just about a browser maximize feature lacking in Mac OS X, it's not just about a green button that won't react they way some like it, it's not just about the lack of cut&paste in Mac OS X, it's not just about the lack of customization, it's not just about a Finder that doesn't exude as much functionality as Windows Explorer, it's not just about the lack of right-click features, it's not just about the lack of hardware choices for the Mac OS....see where I am getting at???
And you wonder why current Mac users get annoyed and defensive about recent switchers' complaints. They act as if Windows was this almighty OS that did everything the right way and at the same time they crap on the Mac OS without making suggestions for something actually "NEW" that would improve the OS

Anyone would wonder why they left Windows in favor of the Mac OS? Beats me?

 

[kamaron]

I think I made a mistake

It's not called the Cult of Mac for nothing.

Maximised windows are fine (if you're into that kind of thing) but Full Screen just seems wrong to me. I have one app that does away with the Apple menu bar and I wish it didn't!

I didn't know that there were a "Cult of Mac".
I have never had a look at a Mac until very recently. Had I known that there existed such a "cult" I would have thought it more seriously.
I started programming with an IBM 1130 more than 30 years age with 8Kb RAM and punching cards with Fortran scientific programs.
I have worked with many different type of computers (but never with Mac) , mainframes, PCs, Unix etc
I can't understand how people can adore a brand as if it was a god and its policy the Bible.
Does the cult of Mac means that if one day Mr Jobs asks you to eat your own **** you do it just because he said so?
This is fanatism boys

 

[motulist]

The start menu to shut down thing has absolutely nothing to do with the topic of this thread.

Oh buddy, but it so truly does.

No, it doesn't.

The issue is not just about a browser maximize feature lacking in Mac OS X, it's not just about a green button that won't react they way some like it, <snip> see where I am getting at???

I see what you're trying to get at, but you're wrong. Each of those is an individual issue brought up by individual people, and each topic should be discussed rationally on its own merits.

And you wonder why current Mac users get annoyed and defensive about recent switchers' complaints. They act as if Windows was this almighty OS that did everything the right way and at the same time they crap on the Mac OS without making suggestions for something actually "NEW" that would improve the OS

Anyone would wonder why they left Windows in favor of the Mac OS? Beats me?

You act like everyone who disagrees with how Apple does every single thing must be a "switcher" who's opinion doesn't count. You couldn't be more wrong, there are plenty of us who've been using Macs forever but are open minded enough to recognize that Apple's way on every single issue is not always the best way.

There are 2 kinds of people on this forum, those who like like OS X more than the alternatives but are honest and admit that there are some things that other OSes do better, and then there are those who just blindly defend Apple's way no matter what.

So here's the litmus test for you to find out which category you fall into. List at lease 3 things that you think MS Windows does better than OS X.

 

[TH-Gunner]

And you wonder why current Mac users get annoyed and defensive about recent switchers' complaints. They act as if Windows was this almighty OS that did everything the right way and at the same time they crap on the Mac OS without making suggestions for something actually "NEW" that would improve the OS

Anyone would wonder why they left Windows in favor of the Mac OS? Beats me?

And look at how you're acting. OSX God, windows satan. OSX correct, windows wrong.

Both extremes are equally disgusting.