There's no possibility that some people just prefer OS X's way of doing things?
1) Run 3D games
2) Ummm...
3) Really, that's all I use Windows for. Oh, and EAC.
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Why don't apple give a full screen option
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There's no possibility that some people just prefer OS X's way of doing things?
1) Run 3D games
2) Ummm...
3) Really, that's all I use Windows for. Oh, and EAC.
1) Regarding the Recycle Bin, I actually like the Restore feature.
2) Regarding the Recycle Bin, I actually like the fact that I can choose to delete individual items rather than everything at once.
3) Regarding the Recycle Bin, I actually like the idea that it shows the "date deleted" rather than "date modified" in OS X's Trash.
Hear, hear! Blind faith is... something, something something... I don't know. It's bad. It's blasphemously stupid.
I will never buy a PC, but that's me. I will also complain with the intelligent Mac crowd that we need support for more than three GPUs in our pro systems and that if the majority of the Mac community and a large amount of switchers want a headless iMac (or xMac), then His Jobsness should rape its expandability and release one.
Actually, here's my idea for a compromise between His Jobsness' ideals and what some people want:
Take an iMac. An all-in-one. Use Apple ingenuity to design a sliding tray, virtually identical to that of the Mac Pro, so that the iMac can have an upgradable HDD. On the 24", have two trays-one empty in the standard configuration-so that we can have more than one HDD.
A system for optical drives could be made in the same way, and Apple would be able to profit by requiring only slot-load drives. However, I don't see many people needing this, so it's the second-longest shot.
A GPU tray for single slot cards wouldn't even be that hard, but it would be aesthetically displeasing (read: anti-Jobsian), and would not make it into the xMac.
Better yet, how bout some kind of controls to automatically position a group of windows when you have multiple screens or a single large screen? I frequrently find myself manually moving windows around and resizing them just so I can see 2 things side by side. Why not have a keystroke that automatically moves and resizes the top two windows?
It does, at least with the way this thread has drifted. The argument was being made that OSX isn't "industry standard" because it handles window resizing differently than Windows. I used the Start button example to demonstrate absurdity of this argument. I made the point earlier that many of the differences between Windows and OSX aren't simply acts of omission or some kind of mistake on Apple's part. You are free to like or dislike the choices Apple has made, but they (for the most part) are not arbitrary. I also pointed out earlier that I think the zoom button has problems with implementation, but that I don't think the problem is a lack of full screening. Of course this automatically makes me a "fanboy" according to some, which means my views can be dismissed out of hand. Nice work if you can get it.
I was going to say those two and add Sony Ericsson's update thingymabob.....and an OCR wotsit for converting SUB files to SRT.
Only works with SUB files still within the original VOBs/VIDEO_TS directory. I want to convert SUBs to SRTs so I can play naughtily downloaded movies with QT/Perian rather than VLC (and SUBs often look like arse as well).
more programs available--specifically, µtorrent. if you prefer azureus or transmission, though, this isn't an issue. i'm used to azureus now, but still miss the extra flexibility of µt.
I disagree, another button strikes me as unnecessary. I'd rather the Green button just act in a consistent fashion (it would be very nice if it would remember where you set it). Although, I've just been clicking on it and in many applications it already does this. Safari and iTunes seem to be the worst examples.
I was agreeing with you, until the last sentence. The fanboi [sic] label is an ad hominem and a weak one at that. Granted, there are some people who do act like fanatics, but you can't just label everyone who disagrees with you, reasonable or not, with such a broad stroke.
Exactly. We don't need another button, we need the green button to act in a consistent way.
Ditto.
Actually, I think what he means by 'fanboy' are only the people who get emotional when someone criticizes a brand they love. That's what a fanboy is. These people will shut down and make an outcast of anyone who dares criticize (in this case Apple) disregarding whether or not that critic was a constructive one or not. There's nothing wrong with labeling them as such if the shoe fits. And there are quite a few in this thread who made it rather obvious that they are one.
Less customers voicing out dissatisfaction = Less customer satisfaction.
you guys make a good point about a person adapting to OSX if they chose to jump ship and leave windows
but.............
lets not forget apple is a corporation and their main goal is to make money, in the computer department they have been making money by taking market share from windows, and I'm sure its in their best interest to continue to attract windows users while at the same time not losing their identity
that being said i dont think it would be a horrible thing to add this as an option in preferences that can be turned on, that way its not there and cumbersome to loyal long-time Mac users but at the same time windows converts can turn it on..... i think everybody wins and this debate will never resurface.
but.............
lets not forget apple is a corporation and their main goal is to make money, in the computer department they have been making money by taking market share from windows, and I'm sure its in their best interest to continue to attract windows users while at the same time not losing their identity
that being said i dont think it would be a horrible thing to add this as an option in preferences that can be turned on, that way its not there and cumbersome to loyal long-time Mac users but at the same time windows converts can turn it on..... i think everybody wins and this debate will never resurface.
The problem with this line of reasoning is it's entirely up to the name-caller to decide who is becoming "emotional" and deserves to be labeled. No matter the justification, it's still an ad hominem because it attacks the speaker and not the argument.
To the topic, from time to time we get into debates about features OSX allegedly lacks. The general line of argument is often that if OSX doesn't do a certain thing they'd like, then Apple has made some sort of mistake. I always find myself reminding people who say this that one of the things many of us dislike about Microsoft's approach to software is feature bloat. They just cram stuff in, with little thought about implementation. In software design, the quality of feature implementation is at least as important as the number of features included. What is left out can be even more useful than what is put in. I personally don't want to see Apple emulating Microsoft's kitchen sink approach.
I'm not gonna lie, I wondered this at first when I got my MBP, but I found that its actually BETTER to NOT have the program take up the whole screen automatically. Makes life SOOOO much easier when multi-tasking, whereas in windows it can be a pain sometimes.
Oh buddy you are soooo wrong. It's against the forum rules to call people names and make personal attacks and people using the term "fanboy" only use it to annoy the poster they don't agree with. All the accused has to do is to report it to the moderator.
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I'm not sure if I misunderstand here, but Windows doesn't force you to maximize so you should be able to multi-task the same as you do on your Mac.
When I'm on my Windows machine browsing the internet, or using Excel or Word I don't have those windows maximized. When I'm using Autocad for 8-16 hours a day I need it to be maximized. I need all the screen real estate I can get when using that program.
I'm another one that would like to see a full screen option for the Mac. Spaces helps somewhat in this regard but still, sometimes, when I'm editing images in Photoshop for instance, I don't want to see my desktop wallpaper in the background. It tends to look cluttered, and for such a clean looking OS it doesn't always make sense.
Forgetting about the fact that Windows gives this option.......is it ok to desire and ask for it for OSX??
Apparently not. Something not included in OS X is a Bad Idea until it appears in a future release, where it becomes a Good Idea. Just look at Spaces. There wasn't a way to make it task-based rather than app-based (the way it is in every other OS), and plenty of people insisted the way Apple did it was the right way. Then comes 10.5.2, where Apple adds the ability to make it task-based through the Terminal. When 10.5.x comes, allowing users to choose between an app-based Spaces and a task-based one through an easily-visible setting, all the people who insisted Spaces was Just Fine will stop praising the way the app used to be and start praising it in its current form, as if it had always allowed users to choose between both settings. Another example? Look at how many folks flamed endlessly whenever people suggested Apple switch to Intel in the PPC days. Suddenly, the news came out Apple was switching to Intel. Six minutes later, the hive mind decided Intel >> PPC. Expect similar groupthink once Apple deigns a full-screen option one worthy of the OS.
Many applications already have a full screen mode. Are you talking about maximizing windows?
And you can hardly equate something as trivial as a maximized window with a processor architecture!
well actually if you really need to, u can put the following link into your browser...and it will become full screen.
javascript:self.moveTo(0,0);self.resizeTo(screen.availWidth,screen.availHeight);
^it works but i never need it cuz leopard is made to multitask
javascript:self.moveTo(0,0);self.resizeTo(screen.availWidth,screen.availHeight);
^it works but i never need it cuz leopard is made to multitask
This thread is amusingly stupid. Seriously, it's a proposition about a button; not an ethnic debate.
Chances are, Apple won't even consider it anyway. This fuss is, to say the least, embarrassing.
Now I'm not on the "Include it!" side but I don't see why Apple SHOULDN'T put a button in to do that, or allow you to resize a Window from each corner.
However, I also agree that Windows users should learn how to use OS X, rather than expect it to be like Windows the moment they use it. It's not.
But seasoned Mac users want it too. I don't see why not. It won't harm anyone, and if Apple made it an option, everyone's happy. Either way, it's not the end of the world.
Chances are, Apple won't even consider it anyway. This fuss is, to say the least, embarrassing.
Now I'm not on the "Include it!" side but I don't see why Apple SHOULDN'T put a button in to do that, or allow you to resize a Window from each corner.
However, I also agree that Windows users should learn how to use OS X, rather than expect it to be like Windows the moment they use it. It's not.
But seasoned Mac users want it too. I don't see why not. It won't harm anyone, and if Apple made it an option, everyone's happy. Either way, it's not the end of the world.
I agree with the thread starter, I would like to see a full screen option, at least for Word and Safari. Sometimes it's better NOT TO HAVE DISTRACTIONS! Plus, Safari does not understand that I like my screen to STAY widescreen! One wrong click and it thinks you want the window to shrink to a cube that the website fits to. Especially being on a macbook, meaning not a huge 24" screen, it gets annoying how small these windows can get.
To those who say "it's wanting Apple to be like windows" NO, its paying customers wanting Apple to provide a useful service!
To those who say "it's wanting Apple to be like windows" NO, its paying customers wanting Apple to provide a useful service!