Why FaceID is OBJECTIVELY a regressive technology

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  1. oplix macrumors 65816

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    Not trying to make a drawn out post.

    Think of TouchID as if there was nothing to touch. Pretend like TouchID simply knows you when you pick up the phone.

    That's it. You simply pick up the phone. This is a one step process.

    Now FaceID. You have to pick up your phone, look at your phone, and swipe up. Three steps.

    The reason why I ask you to forget that you are actually touching the TouchID button is because after a while of using the phone, the physical interaction of touching the button is integrated into the process of simply picking the phone up.

    This is an analysis of physical interaction between the two technologies. One requires you to simply hold your phone while the other is a three step process which includes picking it up, physically placing it in front of your face, and then using your hand to gesture for unlock.

    If we use the principle that any technology can improve by simplifying it's process, we can see that TouchID is actually the superior technology.

    Strictly objective.
     
  2. irobots macrumors member

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    I think it’s also to open up your notifications when you look at the phone. Without having to touch anything other than picking up your phone
     
  3. tromboneaholic macrumors 65816

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    You don’t have to look at the phone. You can toggle “attention” off for unlock.
    Now you can use Hey Siri and do anything without touching the phone to unlock it.
     
  4. oplix thread starter macrumors 65816

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    this can actually be integrated into TouchID as well. All you have to do is uncover notification once the user places his thumb on the button and then unlock the phone once the user presses it.
     
  5. ray6712 macrumors regular

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    In many ways that may be true, but it also adds functionality that wasn’t possible with Touch ID. While it’s still in its infancy when developers get ahold of it and unlock all the potential they can dream up its the game changer we all know it can be.

    Also this paved the way for a port free and button free IPhone trust me it’s coming in a few years when they get wireless charging fast enough the ports are a goner
     
  6. flat five macrumors 603

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    at this point...

    i think we just wait to use it.

    counting steps and arguing about the amount of steps is a little tired at this point and imo, doesn’t translate to one being better than the other.
     
  7. kimchi123 macrumors newbie

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    no need to put your finger on anything. just picking up the phone will unlock it. with raise to wake and no touch ID- its way better IMHO
     
  8. Lobwedgephil macrumors 68040

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    I don't think you know what objective means.
     
  9. serialiphoneuser macrumors regular

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    The only vote that counts is the one you make with your wallet. I vow to never purchase the iPhone X, for Face-ID (and the removal of Home button, Touch-ID).
     
  10. flat five macrumors 603

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    bookmarked

    ;)
     
  11. bambooshots macrumors 65816

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    You may not like it but better get used to it.

    It's the way forward for apple from here on out.
     
  12. Hal~9000, Oct 31, 2017
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    This wouldn't really be an issue if Apple simply gave us the option to bypass having to swipe to unlock with FaceID.

    They did this with TouchID under the accessibility option "home button" -> "rest finger to open" so that as soon were pulling your phone out of your pocket you were instantly ready to go.

    Hopefully in the future they include this option with FaceID? I won't be holding my breath...
     
  13. AdonisSMU macrumors 603

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    You haven’t used it yourself. You are guessing. You don’t know. Real world trumps theory.
     
  14. tromboneaholic macrumors 65816

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    You put you finger on the screen that you are going to use instead of a button that you are not going to use. It’s an obvious improvement.
     
  15. NovemberWhiskey macrumors 68030

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    The one thing FaceID cannot overcome yet with regards to speed, at least based on what we know so far about how it works, is that it depends on the user to recognize when it unlocks, and then to manually swipe up to unlock it. Those are milliseconds you cannot overcome no matter how fast the phone is: the human must do work on his end.

    With TouchID, it does not require you to think or react. You just put your finger on the scanner, and it unlocks.

    Now if FaceID implements an option to unlock without a swipe by just scanning your face, then it can be as fast as TouchID.
     
  16. Hal~9000 macrumors 68000

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    Obvious improvement? Right :rolleyes:

    With TouchID + "rest finger to open" you can have your phone ready to use quicker since you'll already be on the home screen during the time that you're pulling your phone out of your pocket.

    Apple could close this speed disparity between the two by simply giving users an option to bypass the swipe to unlock step of FaceID. As it stands now though... TouchID is faster.
     
  17. flat five macrumors 603

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    for clarity.. you don’t swipe up to unlock..
    you swipe up to go to home screen.. and it’s a gesture you’ll be using often with the X..
     
  18. datapolitical macrumors regular

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    You can use Face ID when wearing gloves.

    Hell of a lot faster for those people.
     
  19. tromboneaholic macrumors 65816

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    Nope. Swipe up and it unlocks by the time your swipe is done. Several videos have shown this already.
     
  20. iapplelove macrumors 68040

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    I think another reason Apple manufactured the 8 and 8 plus. Obviously the iPhone X is the future. But for those who want/need a new iPhone and are not ready to adapt to something new..there’s the 8.

    You could even buy the 8 next year and be happy for another year or so. But eventually you will own a button less smart phone with face recognition at some point. Or you won’t own a smart phone at all.
     
  21. tromboneaholic macrumors 65816

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    You’re touching a button that has nothing to do with your next action. Touching the screen puts you in the game for your next step.

    Touching a button and then touching the screen takes longer than a swipe that puts your finger on the way to its next target on screen.
     
  22. godofredog macrumors regular

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    I think you are missing an important point. Apple has added a ton of functionality to the lock screen, making many actions possible without even unlocking the phone. Reply to messages, WhatsApp, e-mails, widgets, camera, calculator, music, etc. Most notifications can be handled without unlocking the phone, and with iOS 11 the Control Center is customizable, so you can add other quick access options to it.

    I would dare you to start counting how many times you really need to unlock your phone to do something you can't do without unlocking it. You will realize that TouchID+"rest finger to open" is making you loose an important part of iOS, and draining your battery unnecessarily.
     
  23. flat five, Oct 31, 2017
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    i think you're missing the bigger picture..
    you're focused on swiping vs pressing a button for opening the phone but what you're missing is that it's not such a localized case..

    what you're actually arguing about is the removal of the home button..

    on previous phones, if you want to exit an app, you push the home button.. if you want to open the phone, you press the button..

    on iPhone X, there is no home button.. if you want to exit an app, you swipe up.. if you want to open the phone, you swipe up..

    it's nothing to do with faceID vs touchID.. like-- turn off faceID and turn off touchID and compare.. you're left with the same exact circumstances.. either swipe up to open the phone or push the button to open the phone.. either swipe up to exit an app or push the button.. etc

    you see? even without either of the biometrics, you're left arguing about the same thing.. so in that regard-- you're not even arguing what you think you're arguing about (faceID vs touchID).. instead, you're arguing about the gesture vs the button.
     
  24. Mabus51 macrumors 6502a

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    People made the same claims when Touch ID came out. It’s funny now the same arguments and fears for Touch ID are with Face ID.

    The notch arguments are the worst though. People complaining about the status bar area actually moving up into the FaceTime camera and phone speaker area which were always unusable as was the status bar line. Now all that unusable space is lit by tiny ears tabs and people see it as the camera sensors have moved down and the status bar removed. They really haven’t it’s in the same space it always was and you aren’t getting a cut image unless you double tap to zoom in.
     
  25. Nimoy macrumors member

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    I don't understand how people are categorizing "look at your phone" as an extra step. You have to look at the phone anyway to use it...
     

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