Why FaceID is OBJECTIVELY a regressive technology

[Raist3001]

sure.. if by 'discussion' you mean a bunch of people trying to explain how touchID works to a bunch of people who have likely used touchID longer than the explainers have.

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Well, yes that is considered discussion. That's what the forum is for. Right or wrong, it's still a discussion. You also have folks who seemingly never understood how TouchID worked telling those of us who use TouchID how it works 😕

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LOL....I read your reply incorrectly. My apologies. I believe we are saying the same thing 🙂

"I don't got it"? What? You need to put your finger on the sensor for it to be unlocked. You can't just pick it up and it be unlocked.

You claimed you needed to press the home button to unlock. I simply responded that this was not true. However, to your point that I can't just pick up my phone and its unlocked.....my phone is unlocked before it exits my pocket. My phone is unlocked as soon as I pick it up from a table. My phone is unlocked before I bring it into eyes view. So yes it is unlocked by just picking it up. Seriously, did you ever own a TouchID enabled device?

To be clear, I am not arguing at all that TouchID is better or faster, or superior. Just correcting some of the myths regarding TouchID. I see the pros and cons for either solutions. FaceID can only get better, and open up more possibilities to the user.

 

[yanksfan114]

Well, yes that is considered discussion. That's what the forum is for. Right or wrong, it's still a discussion. You also have folks who seemingly never understood how TouchID worked telling those of us who use TouchID how it works 😕

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LOL....I read your reply incorrectly. My apologies. I believe we are saying the same thing 🙂



You claimed you needed to press the home button to unlock. I simply responded that this was not true. However, to your point that I can't just pick up my phone and its unlocked.....my phone is unlocked before it exits my pocket. My phone is unlocked as soon as I pick it up from a table. My phone is unlocked before I bring it into eyes view. So yes it is unlocked by just picking it up. Seriously, did you ever own a TouchID enabled device?

To be clear, I am not arguing at all that TouchID is better or faster, or superior. Just correcting some of the myths regarding TouchID. I see the pros and cons for either solutions. FaceID can only get better, and open up more possibilities to the user.

Lmao I’ve owned ever Touch ID device Apple has made. You need to put your fingerprint on the sensor. It’s not always unlocked. Maybe if your grip it in a way that you’re pulling it out of your pocket like that but not everyone does that.

 

[Act3]

Lmao I’ve owned ever Touch ID device Apple has made. You need to put your fingerprint on the sensor. It’s not always unlocked. Maybe if your grip it in a way that you’re pulling it out of your pocket like that but not everyone does that.

It’s really not a special skill or that hard, to find the home button while pulling phone out of pocket.

 

[DiveKitty]

Lmao I’ve owned ever Touch ID device Apple has made. You need to put your fingerprint on the sensor. It’s not always unlocked. Maybe if your grip it in a way that you’re pulling it out of your pocket like that but not everyone does that.

Don’t you know? On this forum if you have had the X for a week your prior years or other current usage of Touch ID no longer exist. Your experiences with Touch ID are irrelevant, while the opinions of those who have never used Face ID are.

 

[flat five]

It’s really not a special skill or that hard, to find the home button while pulling phone out of pocket.

just by the way.
if you really want to open an iPhone X while it's in your pocket.. you can.

it's awkward but doable.

 

[fs454]

It's hilarious because the way it actually is ended up being the complete opposite of the way the OP describes it.

Touch ID is a specific task that needs to be completed, it's far from invisible. Face ID is passive, and all that's required of you is to swipe up. Theres no auth step, and it's even more evident in password-fill scenarios or opening locked apps like your banking app or 1Password.

The home button is toast.

 

[Raist3001]

Lmao I’ve owned ever Touch ID device Apple has made. You need to put your fingerprint on the sensor. It’s not always unlocked. Maybe if your grip it in a way that you’re pulling it out of your pocket like that but not everyone does that.

I have never stated that you did not need to rest your finger on the home buttons sensor to unlock your phone. I commented that you did NOT need to press the home button in order to unlock your phone on a TouchID enabled device. And the entire point I have been trying to make is that a TouchID enabled phone can be unlocked quite easily before entering your field of vision. No special skill required.
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just by the way.
if you really want to open an iPhone X while it's in your pocket.. you can.

it's awkward but doable.

Are you wearing see through pants? Are you wearing pants at all?

 

[flat five]

Are you wearing see through pants? Are you wearing pants at all?

me? yeah.. why?

fwiw, i said you can open it.. not unlock it.

meaning— when it’s in your pocket, you can tap the screen then swipe.

when you pull it out of your pocket and look at it, the phone will go to home screen without doing anything else.

(as long as you look at it within, say, 15seconds of the swipe)

 

[Raist3001]

me? yeah.. why?

fwiw, i said you can open it.. not unlock it.

meaning— when it’s in your pocket, you can tap the screen then swipe.

when you pull it out of your pocket and look at it, the phone will go to home screen without doing anything else.

(as long as you look at it within, say, 15seconds of the swipe)

LOL....I'm glad you are wearing pants 🙂

So you can swipe up first before unlocking with FaceID?

 

[flat five]

LOL....I'm glad you are wearing pants 🙂

So you can swipe up first before unlocking with FaceID?

yeah, way before.

 

[Raist3001]

yeah, way before.

Well that's good to know. Thanks for the tip. FaceID looks awesome. It's taken all my determination to sit the X out and wait for 2018.

 

[DiveKitty]

LOL....I'm glad you are wearing pants 🙂

So you can swipe up first before unlocking with FaceID?

Yes, absolutely. I usually swipe before, or at same time as I look at it. So to me, the only step really is swiping, as I have to look at my phone sometime anyway (if I plan to use it). You don’t need to wait for the animation to unlock (which some people seem to think you need to do).

 

[itsthetouch]

without picking up your phone from , lets say, a nightstand or desk? just reach over and unlock it ? sometimes having siri read emails allows for multitasking.

I was using email as an example, there are other things SIRI will not do when locked.

Bottom line is I'm upgrading my 6s soon to a bigger screen. I'm getting 8+. I am happy with 6s on iOS 11 but I just want a bigger screen for my aging eyes.

Oh man I hate this with the X. This exact situation happened to me. Phone on bed. Just wanted to quickly check a message by reaching down annnd fail. Tried leaning over to show my face. Too far down. Fail. Had to pick it up.

 

[Ta0jin]

Also this paved the way for a port free and button free IPhone trust me it’s coming in a few years when they get wireless charging fast enough the ports are a goner

I don't think speed is the issue. Until wireless charging is available everywhere and has become the new standard I don't believe we will see port free phones. There has to be charging ports as a contingency until wireless charging is the norm.

 

[Raist3001]

Yes, absolutely. I usually swipe before, or at same time as I look at it. So to me, the only step really is swiping, as I have to look at my phone sometime anyway (if I plan to use it). You don’t need to wait for the animation to unlock (which some people seem to think you need to do).

When you swipe up first, before unlocking, what does X do?

 

[DiveKitty]

When you swipe up first, before unlocking, what does X do?

It will just wait for your face.



If it does not see it see it soon, it will give you passcode screen.

 

[jclardy]

When you swipe up first, before unlocking, what does X do?

It looks for your face, and once recognized you are on the home screen.

 

[SR71]

When you swipe up first, before unlocking, what does X do?

Does the same thing as touch ID would. It'll attempt to scan your face and if it can't it'll ask for passcode. This is also how it learns. If it fails to identify you and you type in your passcode it'll realize that you are the owner of the phone and will take another scan of your face after you type in your passcode to augment the data it already has for your enrolled face. I didn't think this word make any noticeable difference, but in reality it's made a massive difference. It learns extremely quickly. Oops, went off on a little tangent there. Oh well.

 

[xsimplyjosh]

It's better than you think, I think FaceID is much more fluid than touchID imho and i'm liking it.
You have to look at the phone anyway to use it so I don't understand why this is considered an extra step. Otherwise how would you read your notifications? or content? Silly op.

 

[flat five]

It will just wait for your face.

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If it does not see it see it soon, it will give you passcode screen.

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fwiw, if you’ve already swiped up then the passcode request comes up, it will still open once it sees you without entering the code.

i’m surprised nobody did a test yet but i sort of did one when i first got the X.. you can swipe up at least 10-15 seconds prior to showing your face.
maybe longer

 

[DiveKitty]

fwiw, if you’ve already swiped up then the passcode request comes up, it will still open once it sees you without entering the code.

i’m surprised nobody did a test yet but i sort of did one when i first got the X.. you can swipe up at least 10-15 seconds prior to showing your face.
maybe longer

Yes, I probably should have clarified that, thanks 🙂

 

[Raist3001]

It will just wait for your face. If it does not see it see it soon, it will give you passcode screen.

Thanks Kitty 🙂

Does the same thing as touch ID would.

Well, TouchID either registers or fails. No need to swipe anything. After 2 failed scans the phone will ask for a password while still allowing a scan. After 5 failed attempts only a password will allow you access to your phone. So if I understand correctly, with the X, a swipe up before looking at your X will get you the passcode screen.

It'll attempt to scan your face and if it can't it'll ask for passcode. This is also how it learns. If it fails to identify you and you type in your passcode it'll realize that you are the owner of the phone and will take another scan of your face after you type in your passcode to augment the data it already has for your enrolled face. I didn't think this word make any noticeable difference, but in reality it's made a massive difference. It learns extremely quickly. Oops, went off on a little tangent there. Oh well.

Your Tangent is very interesting 🙂
FaceID grows more intriguing every day.

 

[DiveKitty]

FaceID grows more intriguing every day.

I was pretty hesitant about how it would work in reality too, until I actually lived with it for (well, 12 days now counting the day I got it).

I think when you are ready next year or so to try it out, you will be pleased!

Writing out "how" Face ID works can make it sound laborious, which is something critics of it seem to jump on even if they have never tried it, but in reality it is very smooth (with some exceptions reported by some, of course, as with anything).

 

[SR71]

Thanks Kitty 🙂


Well, TouchID either registers or fails. No need to swipe anything. After 2 failed scans the phone will ask for a password while still allowing a scan. After 5 failed attempts only a password will allow you access to your phone. So if I understand correctly, with the X, a swipe up before looking at your X will get you the passcode screen.



Your Tangent is very interesting 🙂
FaceID grows more intriguing every day.

Correct, if you swipe up and you aren’t looking at it it’ll go straight to the passcode screen.

As for the learning that Face ID does, it’s very intriguing to see happen over time. One day it’ll fail at authenticating your face while you’re yawning and laying on a pillow, and the next day it’ll have no problems in the same scenario.

It actually did this for me with both yawning and, funnily enough, when I’m brushing my teeth. Didn’t authenticate the first time, but then it learned. It’s really quite remarkable how well it works. Apple put a lot more work into Face ID than it appears at first glance.

 

[jarman92]

Oh man I hate this with the X. This exact situation happened to me. Phone on bed. Just wanted to quickly check a message by reaching down annnd fail. Tried leaning over to show my face. Too far down. Fail. Had to pick it up.

You can easily turn off "Require Attention" and change your notification settings to show previews on the lock screen for this very specific use case.