Why FaceID is OBJECTIVELY a regressive technology

[ARSC]

face id will always have issues in the first run like the touch ID.

Touch id got amazing in later on and got really responsive.

We have to wait and watch and let the crazy people test it. lol.

 

[profets]

It’s funny, up until Touch ID came about we had to slide on the screen to unlock an iPhone. A lot of the reviewers mention that too - Having Face ID feels like early days of iPhone where you would just slide to unlock and not really worry about a passcode or securing the device.

 

[tromboneaholic]

face id will always have issues in the first run like the touch ID.

Touch id got amazing in later on and got really responsive.

We have to wait and watch and let the crazy people test it. lol.

Touch ID was fine from the start. My dad still has a 5S, and he has no problem using it to unlock his phone. Now if only he could learn how to actually use the phone once it’s unlocked, that would be great.

 

[NT1440]

Obvious improvement? Right 🙄

With TouchID + "rest finger to open" you can have your phone ready to use quicker since you'll already be on the home screen during the time that you're pulling your phone out of your pocket.

Apple could close this speed disparity between the two by simply giving users an option to bypass the swipe to unlock step of FaceID. As it stands now though... TouchID is faster.

Have we really gotten to the point in society where less than a second is something to bitch about? Honestly?

 

[BrettDS]

Now FaceID. You have to pick up your phone, look at your phone, and swipe up. Three steps.

I think you’re over complicating it here. First, there is no requirement for you to pick up your phone. In one of the Apple promo videos it shows a woman in a pool while her phone sits on the side of the pool and scans her face. It seams reasonably likely that if your phone was sitting on a table, that as long as the camera could see your face then it should be able to unlock without actually being picked up. That said, though, how often to you actually unlock your phone without picking it up? Sometimes I’ll activate my phone as it sits on a table to check my notifications, but if I actually want to unlock my phone and do things with it I’ll almost always pick it up.

I feel like looking at your phone is a non issue here as well. If you weren’t planning to look at your phone, then why would you be unlocking it? Frankly you probably need to at least glance at your phone to actually find the home button to press for touchid anyway.

The only big difference here is putting your finger on the bottom of the screen and swiping up or putting your finger on the bottom of the screen and pressing a button.

The way I see it working, I pick my phone (just as I always do), look at it (just as I always do), then touch the bottom of the screen and flick up instead of pressing in. I’m not sure it’s really all that different here.

 

[mbguy4950]

I don't understand how people are categorizing "look at your phone" as an extra step. You have to look at the phone anyway to use it...

NO...

This is why I removed all of the mirrors in my house. I simply cannot go through the task of looking at the damn things...it’s so exhausting...

Have “we” just run out of things to be pissed about....

 

[tromboneaholic]

NO...

This is why I removed all of the mirrors in my house. I simply cannot go through the task of looking at the damn things...it’s so exhausting...

Have “we” just run out of things to be pissed about....

I plucked my eyes out. Looking was taking up all of my waking hours.

 

[Dammit Cubs]

this a stepping stone until blood touch comes out where it checks your actual DNA.

Game changer....

 

[immigrantsong]

I don't understand how people are categorizing "look at your phone" as an extra step. You have to look at the phone anyway to use it...

Yep. Precisely.

 

[turbineseaplane]

I'm not even in the market for the X, but I do have to say that its' really disappointing they aren't allowing multiple faces on a single device. Gruber's post from tonight makes it sound like it isn't coming either.

That'd be super frustrating for me, as our family has each others prints on each others phones. It's SUPER handy and gets used a lot to do something for someone else on their device.

 

[tromboneaholic]

I'm not even in the market for the X, but I do have to say that its' really disappointing they aren't allowing multiple faces on a single device. Gruber's post from tonight makes it sound like it isn't coming either.

That'd be super frustrating for me, as our family has each others prints on each others phones. It's SUPER handy and gets used a lot to do something for someone else on their device.

Passcodes still work. It could be that multiple faces would confuse FaceID and make it less secure, or it could be that allowing multiple accounts on a single iOS device would reduce sales. Possibly a little of both...

 

[turbineseaplane]

Passcodes still work

Yeah - but talk about regression..

Also, it's nice to have the authorized be able to unlock in settings where you'd prefer not have anyone be able to glance at the code being typed in.

It's a big step back and really frustrating if you use he multiple fingerprints now.

 

[Starfyre]

The iPhone being able to map your face with many many dots compared to TouchID where you just touch the surface and can trick it with other body parts like a nipple successfully... FaceID is not regressive.

 

[Hoosier317]

The iPhone being able to map your face with many many dots compared to TouchID where you just touch the surface and can trick it with other body parts like a nipple successfully... FaceID is not regressive.

Wait a minute...what have you been doing with Touch ID?! Nipples?! Haha

Update: Didn’t work for me...

 

[KingslayerG5]

Not better or worse. Just different.

 

[bambooshots]

Passcodes still work. It could be that multiple faces would confuse FaceID and make it less secure, or it could be that allowing multiple accounts on a single iOS device would reduce sales. Possibly a little of both...

I wonder if it's a hard technical limit like there's a lot more data that needs to be stored in the secure enclave but the secure enclave can hold only so much data. The face is much much larger than a fingerprint.

 

[shr631]

Not completely on topic, but does Face ID have the technology to allow apps to scroll your screen down, for example, as it sees you are reading close to the bottom of your screen? This would let someone navigate the article or webpage they're on simply by looking...

 

[tromboneaholic]

Not completely on topic, but does Face ID have the technology to allow apps to scroll your screen down, for example, as it sees you are reading close to the bottom of your screen? This would let someone navigate the article or webpage they're on simply by looking...

This is exactly where I think the next step is.

 

[Starfyre]

This is exactly where I think the next step is.

I think hand gestures in the air make the most sense. Like Kinect.

 

[eoblaed]

Not trying to make a drawn out post.

Think of TouchID as if there was nothing to touch. Pretend like TouchID simply knows you when you pick up the phone.

That's it. You simply pick up the phone. This is a one step process.

Now FaceID. You have to pick up your phone, look at your phone, and swipe up. Three steps.

The reason why I ask you to forget that you are actually touching the TouchID button is because after a while of using the phone, the physical interaction of touching the button is integrated into the process of simply picking the phone up.

This is an analysis of physical interaction between the two technologies. One requires you to simply hold your phone while the other is a three step process which includes picking it up, physically placing it in front of your face, and then using your hand to gesture for unlock.

If we use the principle that any technology can improve by simplifying it's process, we can see that TouchID is actually the superior technology.

Strictly objective.

This analysis ignores two important aspects.

In both cases you have to look at your phone. Ok, you technically don't have to look at it with TouchID, but if you're unlocking your phone, presumable you're doing it to look at it. So, that step can be removed as a 'difference'.

That leaves the 'swipe' as the only meaningful difference.

But it's not, really. With TouchID, you still have to 'click'. With FaceID you have to swipe. You could argue that the click is faster, but here's the thing:

You still have to wait for the phone to unlock with the TouchID before you can click. With FaceID, you can actually swipe before the phone unlocks and as soon as it unlocks, you'll be at your home screen.


So, no. It's not regressive.


Strictly objective.

 

[v0lume4]

In my opinion, FaceID further fulfills Apple's goal of making the technology "fade into the background."

You literally don't have to do anything. Just pick up the phone and start using it. You're looking at it anyway. Does that make sense? I think it's pretty remarkable.

And I'm not even an iPhone X buyer.

 

[Skoal]

Disagree! With Face ID you don’t have to look at the phone. Pick it up and swipe up. That’s it. I’m sure they’ll get rid of the swipe gesture in the future

 

[flat five]

I think hand gestures in the air make the most sense. Like Kinect.

don't worry.. they've been working on that (or better than that) for a while now.

https://www.macrumors.com/2013/08/2...or-3d-gesture-control-on-touchscreen-devices/

..seems like the trueDepth stuff could allow this 3D object control to happen.

 

[Skoal]

People seem to be primarily concerned with speed here. There are other factors to consider when deciding which tech is better for us:

Security comparison is one.

The lag time between Touch ID and Face ID are virtually negligible. How fast do you need to unlock your phone in the real world?

 

[Skoal]

People made the same claims when Touch ID came out. It’s funny now the same arguments and fears for Touch ID are with Face ID.

The notch arguments are the worst though. People complaining about the status bar area actually moving up into the FaceTime camera and phone speaker area which were always unusable as was the status bar line. Now all that unusable space is lit by tiny ears tabs and people see it as the camera sensors have moved down and the status bar removed. They really haven’t it’s in the same space it always was and you aren’t getting a cut image unless you double tap to zoom in.

THIS !!