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Not really if you go to a carrier and buy an android its not open. Android is open for OEM's to put bloatware and mess up but thats it.

Custom roms exist for that particular reason. Sure, carriers have the freedom to put in their bloatware, but in most cases, customers also have the freedom to choose either to live with the bloatware, or move on to a custom rom of their choice.
 
I'm not over exaggerating because of a platform war or what I own. I enjoy a great user experience. Mac OS delivers hands down the best tech interface user experience. iOS has an amazing ecosystem and great hardware. The interface is boring and is getting old. Android throws too much nonsense on their operating system and they don't put enough effort into making it work properly. I'm not making it up or hate android it's just the truth. Wp8 is blazing fast easy to use and different. It will pick up the following that iOS will eventually lose because its so mainstream now. BB is just lost in the sauce with its half android half iOS operating system and ugly old looking hardware. If android wanted to win my business they could start by making a iTunes type interface for PC and Mac. Then they would fix the fragmentation and virus vulnerability of their software.

Admittedly, I don't have that much experience with Android. But everything I've seen people gripe about around here (it's too complicated, it lags too much), aren't things I noticed while I played with it. It was pretty straightforward, and seemed just about as smooth as iOS to me. The only complaint I had with it was that I thought it was too hard to find stuff in the app drawer, but that was probably because I was using someone else's phone, and didn't know how he had everything laid out.

Well, that, and the fragmentation issue is kind of a big deal. It is what I consider to be Android's biggest fault.
 
Custom roms exist for that particular reason. Sure, carriers have the freedom to put in their bloatware, but in most cases, customers also have the freedom to choose either to live with the bloatware, or move on to a custom rom of their choice.

You can jailbreak iOS. What's the difference? I'll tell you, it's when non tech root person walks into the cellphone store the iPhone doesn't have all the bloat ware. Therefore grandma doesn't have to go home download all kinds of programs, hold down the power volume down button for exactly 9.5 seconds while standing on her head cooking dinner to install cryaniosinamod.
 
Admittedly, I don't have that much experience with Android. But everything I've seen people gripe about around here (it's too complicated, it lags too much), aren't things I noticed while I played with it. It was pretty straightforward, and seemed just about as smooth as iOS to me. The only complaint I had with it was that I thought it was too hard to find stuff in the app drawer, but that was probably because I was using someone else's phone, and didn't know how he had everything laid out.

Well, that, and the fragmentation issue is kind of a big deal. It is what I consider to be Android's biggest fault.

I think fragmentation is the biggest drawback.
 
Admittedly, I don't have that much experience with Android. But everything I've seen people gripe about around here (it's too complicated, it lags too much), aren't things I noticed while I played with it. It was pretty straightforward, and seemed just about as smooth as iOS to me. The only complaint I had with it was that I thought it was too hard to find stuff in the app drawer, but that was probably because I was using someone else's phone, and didn't know how he had everything laid out.

Well, that, and the fragmentation issue is kind of a big deal. It is what I consider to be Android's biggest fault.

When you get your brand new android phone home and decide that you want to hook it up to your Mac/PC to get a movie on it then it's a whole new ball game. Sometimes it uses this program, sometimes it uses that program, and sometimes your SOL. That's another problem with it. I also couldn't believe that 3 months before release the HTC one was already running a outdated version of android. So when it was released it was already outdated.
 
I thought all you had to do was hook it to your computer, open it up, then drag and drop the movie you want to watch into the appropriate folder. That's about as easy and to the point as you can get.

Nope sometimes there is a android app, Samsung uses there own crap program , and sometimes it just doesn't read the phone. It's a hit and miss.
 
I thought all you had to do was hook it to your computer, open it up, then drag and drop the movie you want to watch into the appropriate folder. That's about as easy and to the point as you can get.

That's exactly what I've had to do with all my Android devices. Drag and drop, and download a movie player--then you're off and running.

Alternatively, you could even download directly from your phone. I don't watch films on my HTC One, but I appreciate the wealth of options I have in the case that I wanted to :)
 
You can jailbreak iOS. What's the difference? I'll tell you, it's when non tech root person walks into the cellphone store the iPhone doesn't have all the bloat ware. Therefore grandma doesn't have to go home download all kinds of programs, hold down the power volume down button for exactly 9.5 seconds while standing on her head cooking dinner to install cryaniosinamod.

Jailbreaking is not the same as a custom rom. Jailbreaking is the equivalent of rooting in the Android world. In addition to removing bloat, you can run apps that would otherwise require root access.

A custom rom is a different animal from rooting. In addition to being free from carrier bloat, custom roms allow much better customization. For example, if you wanted to run the tablet version of an app on your phone, or want to set it up so that swiping down from the left of the screen brings up notifications swiping down on the right side of the screen brings up your quick toggles - these things are possible through custom roms.

And for the grandma you described, I would recommend a Nexus. No bloat, unlocked, cheap, she can use it on any GSM prepaid network to cut costs.
 
When you get your brand new android phone home and decide that you want to hook it up to your Mac/PC to get a movie on it then it's a whole new ball game. Sometimes it uses this program, sometimes it uses that program, and sometimes your SOL.

" You're using it wrong "

Sorry, couldn't resist :p

All you have to do is plug it into your pc. It will show up as a drive and got can drag and drop.
 
" You're using it wrong "

Sorry, couldn't resist :p

All you have to do is plug it into your pc. It will show up as a drive and got can drag and drop.

Not all of them

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Jailbreaking is not the same as a custom rom. Jailbreaking is the equivalent of rooting in the Android world. In addition to removing bloat, you can run apps that would otherwise require root access.

A custom rom is a different animal from rooting. In addition to being free from carrier bloat, custom roms allow much better customization. For example, if you wanted to run the tablet version of an app on your phone, or want to set it up so that swiping down from the left of the screen brings up notifications swiping down on the right side of the screen brings up your quick toggles - these things are possible through custom roms.

And for the grandma you described, I would recommend a Nexus. No bloat, unlocked, cheap, she can use it on any GSM prepaid network to cut costs.

That's backwards because the nexus lines are the most user unfriendly. Always have been and always will be.
 
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Yes, but there's no doubt Apple looked at what Google did and basically implemented it for iOS.

I wish they would of copied it better. Notification center is one of iOS's weakest features compared to the same feature in Android. You can't take quick actions on notifications and clearing them is a chore. On Android, they are at least usable.
 
Sorry but I don't really think you know what your talking about, especially because you talked about NFC...the iPhone doesn't even have NFC. Things are not harder to find...they're still organized in the same exact manner. The change is in the visual, which looks stunning in person if you didn't already think so from the photos. It seems like people are just hopping on the "Apple copied Android" bandwagon. Silly.
 
Nope sometimes there is a android app, Samsung uses there own crap program , and sometimes it just doesn't read the phone. It's a hit and miss.

You've never even owned a Android phone yet you're coming out with all these blanket statements like you actually know something.

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Do I really have to post a picture of stock android?

Second argument is no. Its not a skin.....watch the video. Life is more complicated than that.

Yes Stock Android from the time that picture was taken looked just like iOS...

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There is no point arguing though as you're the type of fanboy that will defend your ill-conceived views until the last.

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LOL. Any arguments to support your statements?

Just forget it honestly, i very much doubt he's even actually used anything non-Apple.
 
You've never even owned a Android phone yet you're coming out with all these blanket statements like you actually know something.

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Yes Stock Android from the time that picture was taken looked just like iOS...

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There is no point arguing though as you're the type of fanboy that will defend your ill-conceived views until the last.

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Just forget it honestly, i very much doubt he's even actually used anything non-Apple.

Ive owned more android phones than you ever have or ever will. I am not a fanboy I am just speaking the truth. That picture you posted looks nothing like iOS 7. It looks like the 1980's movie torn.
 
I wish they would of copied it better. Notification center is one of iOS's weakest features compared to the same feature in Android. You can't take quick actions on notifications and clearing them is a chore. On Android, they are at least usable.

Totally agree.

It was implemented pretty badly. People thought it was great for a while because how bad push notification was implemented. After a year of using it and Apple not updating it with any new features in iOS 6, it fell way behind Android.

Now in iOS 7 they pretty did what they did in iOS 5, looked at a couple useful features from Android and added them.
 
Ive owned more android phones than you ever have or ever will. I am not a fanboy I am just speaking the truth. That picture you posted looks nothing like iOS 7. It looks like the 1980's movie torn.


Tell me which phones you have used for an extended period? You are deluding yourself if you think you're not a fanboy. So i proved you wrong then stock Android looks nothing like iOS hahaha
 
Tell me which phones you have used for an extended period? You are deluding yourself if you think you're not a fanboy. So i proved you wrong then stock Android looks nothing like iOS hahaha

Yes that start screen looks nothing like iOS and that makes me happy. Ope the app drawer and its a direct steal from iOS.
 
Yes that start screen looks nothing like iOS and that makes me happy. Ope the app drawer and its a direct steal from iOS.

It's a block grid of icons, if you're playing that game then iOS must have copied Windows or any other OS with a GUI...

There are 2 things that i would say Google copied or draw inspiration from, Siri (which Google does better) and the saved games syncing that is forthcoming.
 
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