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both systems have their good and bad points. been using airplay since it came out and it has been good and bad. my wife mainly uses it and she is blind. it finally let her stream her music fairly easily. but you can have dropouts and get errors when the airplay does not show up or it is used by another device. sonos has made life much easier for her. She can search all her streaming services and her music with one each jump from service to service without having to open every app. all her apps get up[dated and change and may or may not work well with voiceover and sometimes it is like a brand new app for her to learn on every update.
we would get streams just stopping every night never see that with sonos. I have sonos hooked to our home automation so it turns off when she leaves the house alerts her when someone is at the door and plays nature sounds for the birds when we leave. it also frees her from having to use her mac mini for music. she can access it on the drive hocked up to the AE or on google or amazon.the price is too high for sonos I think even with just the connect or amp.
 
i have 4 play 1 and a soundbar and my sonos system is used everyday. its so simple that i can use my MBP, iphone or ipads to control music and i love that what ever the last source playing on any of the machines can be turned on physically from the speaker. i have apple tv and frankly using it with my ios devices is more a pain than worth the hassle. also, i have yet to hear an airplay speaker that compares to the quality of the sonos systems. also, i've had many dropout using appletv and none using sonos.


my questions is, when will sonos update their ios software to include a widget in the notification dropdown menu.
 
Also, someone mentioned that Sonos is better for streaming services. This is really up for debate and depends on the person's preferences.. . .

Personally, I can be listening to the Overcast app in my car, walk in the house, click on the screen, and send that audio to Airplay devices in the house. You can't do any of that with Sonos...no support for Overcast (or many other apps) and no way to use the technology without opening the Sonos app.

I have Apple TV (airplay) and a Play 1 (SONOS).

I can do ALL the things.

(i.e.: why not both?)

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. . . The "catch" is that you need iTunes running. But you need some sort of storage device active with Sonos as well (if you are playing downloaded music).

Yes if you are playing downloaded music. Not if you are using an internet streaming service like spotify or pandora or Beats or TuneIn or etc. etc. For those you only need a Sonos speaker and your wireless router connected to the internet. No computer running necessary. The only Airplay device i know of that has that level of independence is Apple TV, but it has far fewer internet streaming audio sources (iTunes Radio, the regular Radio app, Beats. . . and that's it I think?)

I don't have direct experience with the proprietary Sonos mesh network, but I have heard it has superior reliability. That said, you need at least two Sonos devices to make that work. For sure, you need a rock-solid WiFi network for AirPlay.

Note that the "Bridge" device which used to be required for SONOS is no longer required. I have been using my single Play 1 SONOS speaker with my regular home wireless network for about 3 weeks now, and have had zero dropout or other reliability issues.
 
Though if you have more then one sonos device it is a good idea to have a isolated WiFi network. I have 4 sonos so bought a used bridge for 15.00 makes setup easier too
 
I have Apple TV (airplay) and a Play 1 (SONOS).

I can do ALL the things.

(i.e.: why not both?)

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Because I would rather spend money on something that would be useful in my household. I wouldn't have a Play1 in any system I want for critical listening and I prefer something more flexible for those systems where I don't care about audio quality.

For example, I have a Mac Mini in my main system. It can play hi rez, handle specialized audio programs like Fidelia or Bit Perfect and it can serve music wherever I want it. It can also act as an Airplay receiver and an Airplay server. Not to mention that it can run Plex, apps for security cameras I have in the house, and serve files to wherever I am (home and away). Also, my main system is equipped with a Denon receiver that has Airplay built in...when I just want to quickly listen to Overcast (or any iOS app), I can choose the receiver and it will turn on, go to the correct input, and start playing audio...with audio volume control right from the app.

The Airplay devices simply work in that same environment and I can use the actual apps the way they were meant to be used...rather than dumbed down versions. The other benefit is how it integrates with the AppleTV. I can send the AppleTV's audio to anywhere I have an Airplay device. This is nice for late night listening via headphones or for sending audio to the kitchen while I prepare food and then send it back to the AppleTV.

In areas where I don't mind a non-audiophile quality speaker, like my kitchen, I prefer a speaker I can pick up and carry out to the garage. This is why I have a Phillips Soundring in there. The other benefit is that it can take an Aux or USB input. Therefore, I also use it to charge an iPad that we keep in the kitchen.

In the bathroom, I have a Tivoli Pal (which I already owned). I have an Airport Express plugged into its aux input. The bonus is that I can take that radio/speaker anywhere because it has a battery. When I am at the beach, I can also use it with the portable (ClipR) Bluetooth receivers or via the Aux input with an iPhone or mp3 player. It doesn't even need wifi to work. It also has FM/AM built in which is nice for listening to local games that are blacked out by internet sources like iHeartRadio.

I realize that some people think there is a benefit from just sending the audio from the web directly to the speaker. I have tested direct connection against Airplay from my iPhone and I hear no difference, even using headphones like AKG K701s. The dropouts that some complain about are related to routers, wifi traffic, or other issues that don't apply to my setups.

I had an area of my house (really outside) in a sunroom that would have Airplay dropouts when I tried to control it from my backyard. However, I simply added a home plug (powerline Ethernet) out there and plugged the Airport Express into it. This allowed me to stream to the Airport Express and also expand my wifi network to cover my backyard. Sometimes I will have a game up on the iPad (Slingbox) while cooking out and send the audio to the outdoor speakers that it is connected to and Airport Express via a T-amp. Once again, I can easily stream video, so audio is a breeze.

If there is some benefit to Sonos, in my systems, I haven't found it.
 
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Because I would rather spend money on something that would be useful in my household. I wouldn't have a Play1 in any system I want for critical listening and I prefer something more flexible for those systems where I don't care about audio quality.

For example, I have a Mac Mini in my main system. It can play hi rez, handle specialized audio programs like Fidelia or Bit Perfect and it can serve music wherever I want it. It can also act as an Airplay receiver and an Airplay server. Not to mention that it can run Plex, apps for security cameras I have in the house, and serve files to wherever I am (home and away). Also, my main system is equipped with a Denon receiver that has Airplay built in...when I just want to quickly listen to Overcast (or any iOS app), I can choose the receiver and it will turn on, go to the correct input, and start playing audio...with audio volume control right from the app.

The Airplay devices simply work in that same environment and I can use the actual apps the way they were meant to be used...rather than dumbed down versions. The other benefit is how it integrates with the AppleTV. I can send the AppleTV's audio to anywhere I have an Airplay device. This is nice for late night listening via headphones or for sending audio to the kitchen while I prepare food and then send it back to the AppleTV.

In areas where I don't mind a non-audiophile quality speaker, like my kitchen, I prefer a speaker I can pick up and carry out to the garage. This is why I have a Phillips Soundring in there. The other benefit is that it can take an Aux or USB input. Therefore, I also use it to charge an iPad that we keep in the kitchen.

In the bathroom, I have a Tivoli Pal (which I already owned). I have an Airport Express plugged into its aux input. The bonus is that I can take that radio/speaker anywhere because it has a battery. When I am at the beach, I can also use it with the portable (ClipR) Bluetooth receivers or via the Aux input with an iPhone or mp3 player. It doesn't even need wifi to work. It also has FM/AM built in which is nice for listening to local games that are blacked out by internet sources like iHeartRadio.

I realize that some people think there is a benefit from just sending the audio from the web directly to the speaker. I have tested direct connection against Airplay from my iPhone and I hear no difference, even using headphones like AKG K701s. The dropouts that some complain about are related to routers, wifi traffic, or other issues that don't apply to my setups.

I had an area of my house (really outside) in a sunroom that would have Airplay dropouts when I tried to control it from my backyard. However, I simply added a home plug (powerline Ethernet) out there and plugged the Airport Express into it. This allowed me to stream to the Airport Express and also expand my wifi network to cover my backyard. Sometimes I will have a game up on the iPad (Slingbox) while cooking out and send the audio to the outdoor speakers that it is connected to and Airport Express via a T-amp. Once again, I can easily stream video, so audio is a breeze.

If there is some benefit to Sonos, in my systems, I haven't found it.
I've been hearing about these kind of setups in various forms for fifteen years, and I can 100% guarantee you, that most* people with these setups spend more time tinkering with them than actually using them for their intended purpose.

* "most" does not include you of course. ;)
 
I've been hearing about these kind of setups in various forms for fifteen years, and I can 100% guarantee you, that most* people with these setups spend more time tinkering with them than actually using them for their intended purpose.

* "most" does not include you of course. ;)
If it required a lot of tinkering after the initial setup, I would look elsewhere. I had a Bluetooth speaker in my kitchen for a while and it was extremely annoying to have to go into settings every time I wanted to listen to music. I dumped it for an Airplay device that took less than 10 minutes to initially setup and is available right from the lockscreen or Control Center. I have never felt the need to "tinker" with it. It just works.

Tech, especially wifi router tech and the Airport Utility, has changed a lot in 15 years. You may want to look at more recent information related to Airplay.

FYI You can find a lot of people "tinkering" with Sonos if you look in their problem sections. Just type wifi in the search box and you will see pages and pages of questions.
 
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If it required a lot of tinkering after the initial setup, I would look elsewhere. I had a Bluetooth speaker in my kitchen for a while and it was extremely annoying to have to go into settings every time I wanted to listen to music. I dumped it for an Airplay device that took less than 10 minutes to initially setup and is available right from the lockscreen or Control Center. I have never felt the need to "tinker" with it. It just works.

Tech, especially wifi router tech and the Airport Utility, has changed a lot in 15 years. You may want to look at more recent information related to Airplay.

FYI You can find a lot of people "tinkering" with Sonos if you look in their problem sections. Just type wifi in the search box and you will see pages and pages of questions.
I guess I can't blame you for getting defensive, though as I indicated in my post, I understand that you don't have to tinker.

And that's 15 years of experience with all sorts of setups, not that I last checked out this stuff 15 years ago as you implied. But my comment was directed not at Airplay vs. Sonos, but any similar setup to what you described. People are always describing these setups and how great they are, and I have quite a bit of personal experience with HTPC/video/audio systems both personally and professionally, and family and friends, as well as a lot of web research, and in reality, they just never are as "simple" or work as flawlessly as people make them out to be. That's just my experience.

FTR, my current home setup is Airplay (ATV3 & two Airport Expresses hooked up to speakers in different rooms), and I think it's great. But I've had all the same issue as every single person who has ever extensively used Airplay (maybe with the exception of you?) that it occasionally fails to connect properly, and you have to fuss with it. You can blame it on the Airplay protocol, or the OS software, or the receiver/speakers, or the app - whatever... that's just the real world... that's just the state of the technology. I still think it's great technology and use it literally every day. And from a "I just want to listen to this song right now" standpoint, I find Airplay more convenient that Sonos.

I don't own a Sonos system for my house, but I've considered it. I do have experience with Sonos - we had it at my last office, and I have specified setups for clients. It's simply a more seamless, reliable audio system. That's just a fact, and every serious audio electronics review/comparison will point that out. IMO, it's a really great system - really slickly done and well thought out. That doesn't mean Sonos doesn't have its limitations, or that it never has technical issues - every similar technology does. But on the whole, they're a lot less prevalent with the Sonos than any other widely available system on the market.
 
And that's 15 years of experience with all sorts of setups, not that I last checked out this stuff 15 years ago as you implied. But my comment was directed not at Airplay vs. Sonos, but any similar setup to what you described. People are always describing these setups and how great they are, and I have quite a bit of personal experience with HTPC/video/audio systems both personally and professionally, and family and friends, as well as a lot of web research, and in reality, they just never are as "simple" or work as flawlessly as people make them out to be. That's just my experience..
Web research, your own circle, etc...is extremely small when compared to the universe of Airplay products. Unlike Sonos, which is as walled of a garden as anything on the market, Airplay is available via audio applications by nearly every (if not every single one) mainstream audio company out there (Denon, Marantz, McIntosh, Yamaha, Onkyo, to name a few). Unless they are all run by idiots, all of these companies aren't going to add tech that doesn't work properly, that is going to give them headaches, phone calls, complaints, and hurt their brand. It wouldn't be worth it.

Also, because of its widespread use that serves millions of people, you can't really judge its success by reading forums (which attracts complaints or questions) or by your own limited circle (read the Macrumors forum on any new Apple device and you will see thousands of complaints). If you simply judged Sonos on the webpage I linked, you would also think their people were having widespread issues...actually, they may for all I know.

You have said in your posts, that for your circle, home theater like I described is difficult and proper Airplay setup is nearly impossible. In that case, I think your circle might want to stick with Bluetooth.
 
Also, because of its widespread use that serves millions of people, you can't really judge its success by reading forums (which attracts complaints or questions) or by your own limited circle (read the Macrumors forum on any new Apple device and you will see thousands of complaints). If you simply judged Sonos on the webpage I linked, you would also think their people were having widespread issues...actually, they may for all I know.

Also, you have said in your posts, that for your circle, home theater like I described is difficult and proper Airplay setup is nearly impossible. In that case, I think your circle might want to stick with Bluetooth.

only recently. took a long time for apps to start using airplay. and there are relatively few products that have airplay built in. I have only been using sonos since Christmas and airplay since it came out. so far I had less issues with sonos. airplay has always been a bit frustrating and you can't do much of anything to change or adjust it. I had a little skipping on sonos so I just had to adjust the channel used problem solved. my blind wife can't even use airplay in iso8 as it causes the mic to stop working also voiceover tends to go over airplay in some weird old bug. myself it is nice to not have to always depend on apple and if there is a problem my may actually get it solved. waiting for apple to fix a bug is getting worse and worse. I can't even imagine how bad homekit will be when it comes out.
 
only recently. took a long time for apps to start using airplay..
I guess it depends on what you consider "recently". That feature has been around since at least 2010 or 2011.

and there are relatively few products that have airplay built in.
This is just wrong. As I mentioned above, nearly every major audio brand has Airplay built into some of their products. Try a search on Amazon for Airplay in Electronics if you don't believe me. In comparison Sonos has limited products that ONLY Sonos makes...it is a locked in technology. For example, the fact that Airplay is in so many products means that you have something for those that want portable (battery operated) speakers...nothing on the market for Sonos that is similar unless they decide to make it.

Airplay is also built into numerous receivers, so you don't need to have a box sitting next to them to get Airplay. You have to use the overpriced Connect (relative to the price of an Airport Express or having it built in) to get Sonos
on these receivers.

As I mentioned before, there are some use cases that Sonos excels and if you fall into those cases, it may be worth the extra money. I can only speak from my own experience, which is to say that I have no need for Sonos because I use iOS and it is just integrated into the platform a lot better and I apparently have an unusually robust wifi setup (despite the fact that I don't work in IT).
 
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I guess it depends on what you consider "recently". That feature has been around since at least 2010 or 2011.

This is just wrong. As I mentioned above, nearly every major audio brand has Airplay built into some of their products. Try a search on Amazon for Airplay in Electronics if you don't believe me. In comparison Sonos has limited products that ONLY Sonos makes...it is a locked in technology. For example, the fact that Airplay is in so many products means that you have something for those that want portable (battery operated) speakers...nothing on the market for Sonos that is similar unless they decide to make it.

Airplay is also built into numerous receivers, so you don't need to have a box sitting next to them to get Airplay. You have to use the overpriced Connect (relative to the price of an Airport Express or having it built in) to get Sonos
on these receivers.

As I mentioned before, there are some use cases that Sonos excels and if you fall into those cases, it may be worth the extra money. I can only speak from my own experience, which is to say that I have no need for Sonos because I use iOS and it is just integrated into the platform a lot better and I apparently have an unusually robust wifi setup (despite the fact that I don't work in IT).

airplay has been around for a long time but that dos not mean it was working well or versatile. it started only on a desktop took awhile to get on phones and when it did it was very limited and full of bugs. my wife could not use it because voiceover went through it and it was delayed several seconds. that was several years ago. slowly airplay started working for most apps but it took awhile and still to this day has some of the same bugs. but now there is a large bug that has been there since 8.0 that keeps my wife from using it at all. it causes the mic to not work so she can't use dictation or siri ir anything else that uses the mic and sometimes voiceover goes through the speaker again.
She would having streaming stop several times a week at night too.
I said till recently airplay was not in many components and thats true so far I have found only one that I wanted that has airplay and we found better speakers for less and they did not have it.
finally for christmas I invested in a sonos amp and connect and my wife is so much happier. no streaming glitches the app is only one app she needs to learn to use not a slew of them that keep changing and may or may not work with voiceover or will then will not. it does to drain her phones battery either.
Plus I can hook it up to our home automation so when someone comes to the door the music pauses so she hears them. tells her when one of the family arrives and barks when someone comes to the door when no one is home.
 
To each their own of course. Frankly, people should use what they find works best for them.

But I don't really see the point to people arguing about Airplay vs. Sonos. Based on any sort of philosophical ideas. The two systems don't lock each other out; they complement each other.

Sonos works great for me (a single Play 1 meets my needs, purchased used in like-new condition on ebay. . . similar speakers I was considering with built-in Airplay were similar in price if not more.) And I have Apple TV for anything I want to airplay.

I was all set to get an Airplay speaker. But all the internet research I did pointed to Sonos being more reliable. My month or so of use of a Play 1 has revealed zero dropout problems, so while I won't claim I know firsthand Airplay is less reliable, I can verify firsthand that Sonos IS extremely reliable on my podunk wifi network run by a single $20 n router.

For ~$275, a person could have BOTH systems ($75 + tax if you buy a refurbished Apple TV, plus $200 for a Sonos Play 1, no "Bridge" required). That gets you all the video/audio airplay goodness and versatility of Apple TV, and all the super-easy-to-use and super-reliable audio goodness of Sonos. You are not "locked in" to either system.

If I already had a pair of speakers I loved, then I might have simply bought Airport Express and been done with it. I didn't, so I was choosing between Airplay connected speakers in the $200 range and a Sonos speaker in the $200 range. Sonos looked more reliable. Decision made. I can recommend anyone in a similar situation do the same.

If you already have a bunch of speakers you like, and just need to get them connected, I'd say get some Airport Expresses and try it out. If it works for you, you're done! If you experience reliability issues (as many apparently have), then at that point you can start considering / pricing out Sonos.

Fair?
 
I agree they can work together. My wife had to take her subwoofer in to see if it could be repaired as it is blowing fuses. the company is like apple does it's own thing and won't get any info out so no one can repair them. but it is about 8 years old so she had to buy a new one this is a higher end audio store a small business that has been around since the 40's. so the sub was a 300.00 paradigm the bottom of the line (G) but it sure blows away the old one we spend about 450 on. but while she was there they sold several sonos components and they sell a lot overall. most of their stuff is way out of our price range.
 
only recently. took a long time for apps to start using airplay. and there are relatively few products that have airplay built in. I have only been using sonos since Christmas and airplay since it came out. so far I had less issues with sonos. airplay has always been a bit frustrating and you can't do much of anything to change or adjust it. I had a little skipping on sonos so I just had to adjust the channel used problem solved. my blind wife can't even use airplay in iso8 as it causes the mic to stop working also voiceover tends to go over airplay in some weird old bug. myself it is nice to not have to always depend on apple and if there is a problem my may actually get it solved. waiting for apple to fix a bug is getting worse and worse. I can't even imagine how bad homekit will be when it comes out.

Completely wrong. Apps have been using Airplay for a long time and there are many, many devices with AirPlay built in. Even lower end receivers have Airplay before Bluetooth because it sounds so much better with better range.
Type AirPlay into Amazon search and see how many products have it.
Anyone who has dropouts with AirPlay doesn't have their wifi network configured properly.
Sonos is very limited and does not sound nearly as good as even lower end speakers with AirPlay which are also much cheaper.
Throw Airfoil into the mix and you can do about anything you want.
There are even apps allowing AirPlay from Android.
It's really no contest with minimal effort to have a cheaper and far better sounding alternative to Sonos with AirPlay.

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I agree they can work together. My wife had to take her subwoofer in to see if it could be repaired as it is blowing fuses. the company is like apple does it's own thing and won't get any info out so no one can repair them. but it is about 8 years old so she had to buy a new one this is a higher end audio store a small business that has been around since the 40's. so the sub was a 300.00 paradigm the bottom of the line (G) but it sure blows away the old one we spend about 450 on. but while she was there they sold several sonos components and they sell a lot overall. most of their stuff is way out of our price range.

There are plenty of companies making good money repairing Apple products

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Hardly anything with AirPlay built in?

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias=aps&field-keywords=AirPlay

Not to mention all the receivers with AirPlay built in which covers every brand you can think of.
 
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In an Airplay setup, I understand you can also store the music on a NAS, but you still need an iTunes client running on an Mac or PC to be able to interface with it.

Wrong. I have a Synology NAS that I discuss earlier in the thread that has Airplay built in. It will allow you to stream directly from the NAS to any Airplay device in the house with the DS Audio app on the iPhone. It can also send different music to different Airplay devices. You do not need a PC or MAC in the loop. Even if you just hooked a hard drive to a router, you can use an app like FileBrowser to Airplay the music to Airplay devices.

Just got round to trying Airplay via DS Audio, and yes, you're right. This works very well, and since the app is just acting as a controller, it doesn't have the common limitation of Airplay (whereby you can't do secondary media playback on the iOS device - e.g. watch a youtube clip - without altering the Airplay stream).

But I presume this is unique to Synology NAS? I haven't heard of an other NAS device that provides this.

Using FileBrowser to play from NAS does involve the iOS device as a relay and hence does have the limitation mentioned above.
 
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Completely wrong. Apps have been using Airplay for a long time and there are many, many devices with AirPlay built in. Even lower end receivers have Airplay before Bluetooth because it sounds so much better with better range.

thanks for being so nice. I have been using airplay since it came out. it took a long time before most apps used it. And it does to matter if it is the greatest thing since burned butter if it has bugs that keeps my wife from using it. Bugs since 8.0
nothing is perfect but using sonos has really made her happy. one happy lets her access all her music no worries that a update will screw up a app like it always does. slacker every update screws up how voiceover works. She wanted to try beats music but the app does not work at all with voiceover. so I get it setup and put the info in so it can figure out what music she likes then set it up on sonos and she loves it now she can use it. Sonos is rock solid for her unlike airplay has been.
the sonos speakers are not bad but they are a bit expensive. the receiver and amp are overpriced but work well. they give you full control with your phone you don't have to go and hunt up the remote.
my high end hifi store sells a lot of them and they are a pretty trusted store that won't oversell you and they are honest with their product.
also whats handy is if my wife is busy I can thumbs up or down a track or change whats playing sonos does not lock out everyone else.
 
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As I mentioned before, there are some use cases that Sonos excels and if you fall into those cases, it may be worth the extra money. I can only speak from my own experience, which is to say that I have no need for Sonos because I use iOS and it is just integrated into the platform a lot better and I apparently have an unusually robust wifi setup (despite the fact that I don't work in IT).

I just finished reading all the comments on this forum, if I ask redundant questions please forgive me.

I "used" Airplay for YEARS and would have horrible drop outs (even in a small apartment with 1 Airport extreme and 2 Airport expresses setup). I finally gave in and got some Sonos equipment. I was immediately disappointed when I realized that I could only use Spotify premium or Googleplay Premium to stream my music. But I found deals to get those services for free or very cheap. I LOVE the Sonos app. How anyone with the app can control the volumes for every speaker, add songs to the que, and have different songs/volumes in different speakers. It's excellently done IMO. Never had a dropout or a skip in over a year of solid use.

But it isn't perfect. Specifically I get really irritated that I have to be IN the Sonos app to control ANYTHING - iOS integration isn't poor....it's non-existant. Also when I'm running and listening to music and then come in the house I have to switch from my Spotify app to the Sonos app - obviously stoping my music and I'm not going to bother trying to find the exact spot in the same song...so I just have to listen to something else. So I've been revisiting Airplay *hoping* things would be better if I had the newest Wifi technology. I have some questions about Airplay I'm having a hard time finding answers to - it sounds like your Airplay system is about as good as it gets (at least in terms of functionality). Would love to hear your input.

1. With Airplay, can you easily adjust volumes in different zone (from your iDevice)?

2. How easy is it to group and ungroup zones? I understand it's easy for different people to play different music to different zones....but say I have all the rooms on the lower level playing my music, and my wife is in the office and wants to listen to her music in there...how easily can I drop just the office, so she can pick it up?

3. What hardware do you use to run Airplay/what kind of drop outs do you have? Like I said even in a small apt. I would get terrible dropping. I was using a flat Airport extreme and two OLD Airport expresses (I am assuming that was my dropping problem).

4. Can you input to Airplay? I have a pretty large LP collection that I can connect to my Sonos system and thus play all over the house if I want. I would hate to give that up.

5. Is there any way to make all of your Airplay devices talk to each other? For example with Sonos I start a playlist and start working on my computer. If I don't like a song I can hit the skip button my computer, OR if my wife doesn't like the song SHE can hit the skip button from her computer, phone, iPad whatever. Does Airplay have this functionality yet?

That's all I can think of for the moment. Thanks in advance.
 
Yes for some reason the sonos app is lacking some features. it also can eat up your battery for no reason.
but as far as airplay goes one device can control one or more airplay devices but they all will have the same volume. if you want different music on different airplay devices you need a different device for each. one device per airplay device and no one else can access it. this becomes a pain when you leave one device using a airplay device then go to use it and can't so you have to go and turn off airplay off that one. no way to stream your records unless you used you computer as the input and used another app (can't remember the same of it) to stream that to the airplay devices.
'so pretty much all the things you want are not supported in airplay.
 
Yes for some reason the sonos app is lacking some features. it also can eat up your battery for no reason.
but as far as airplay goes one device can control one or more airplay devices but they all will have the same volume. if you want different music on different airplay devices you need a different device for each. one device per airplay device and no one else can access it. this becomes a pain when you leave one device using a airplay device then go to use it and can't so you have to go and turn off airplay off that one. no way to stream your records unless you used you computer as the input and used another app (can't remember the same of it) to stream that to the airplay devices.
'so pretty much all the things you want are not supported in airplay.

Disappointing - but thank you for the heads up. Looks like I'll be staying with Sonos as those features are more important to me than iOS integration (though it would be really nice to have the integration).

On another note I started playing some music through my old Airplay setup and remembered why I quit. It's just so glitchy when I use it. That may be a function of my old airport express units, but I would hate to buy new ones for it to be just a glitchy.

Really frustrating to me. Apple could make this a HUGE selling point. Imagine having Sonos reliability and integration (Apple could easily make an app like the Sonos app with the same functionality). But instead it seems like a total afterthought.
 
Really frustrating to me. Apple could make this a HUGE selling point. Imagine having Sonos reliability and integration (Apple could easily make an app like the Sonos app with the same functionality). But instead it seems like a total afterthought.

I know. my wife is blind and sonos has really made life much easier. I spent too much this christmas replacing all her stuff with sonos. well a amp for the main stereo and the connect for the bedroom. but it is so easy for her to use. she could not even use beats music.
but sonos app has some lacking too. but it is stable and pretty reliable.
 
But it isn't perfect. Specifically I get really irritated that I have to be IN the Sonos app to control ANYTHING - iOS integration isn't poor....it's non-existant. Also when I'm running and listening to music and then come in the house I have to switch from my Spotify app to the Sonos app - obviously stoping my music and I'm not going to bother trying to find the exact spot in the same song...so I just have to listen to something else.

There is currently one exception to this, but not on iOS. On Android you can use the Google Play Music app to control Sonos.

I'm hoping Sonos will eventually decide to incorporate support for other existing streaming/casting protocols like Airplay, Google Cast, and Sonos Connect. Then users would have a choice of whether to use the Sonos client or control from other apps. It's probably more likely that they'll release APIs for their own protocol though. Then it becomes a question of which 3rd party apps would support it.
 
Yes for some reason the sonos app is lacking some features.

For example: to stream Spotify to Sonos you MUST have a premium account....but then for NO apparent reason you can't stream your radio stations. Incredibly frustrating.

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There is currently one exception to this, but not on iOS. On Android you can use the Google Play Music app to control Sonos.

I'm hoping Sonos will eventually decide to incorporate support for other existing streaming/casting protocols like Airplay, Google Cast, and Sonos Connect. Then users would have a choice of whether to use the Sonos client or control from other apps. It's probably more likely that they'll release APIs for their own protocol though. Then it becomes a question of which 3rd party apps would support it.

I didn't know that. So there may be further integration coming - nice to know.
 
For example: to stream Spotify to Sonos you MUST have a premium account....but then for NO apparent reason you can't stream your radio stations. Incredibly frustrating.

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I didn't know that. So there may be further integration coming - nice to know.

for some reason there is some beef between sonos and spotify from what I have read. so don't bet on it it has ben that way for a long time.
 
1. With Airplay, can you easily adjust volumes in different zone (from your iDevice)?

2. How easy is it to group and ungroup zones? I understand it's easy for different people to play different music to different zones....but say I have all the rooms on the lower level playing my music, and my wife is in the office and wants to listen to her music in there...how easily can I drop just the office, so she can pick it up?

3. What hardware do you use to run Airplay/what kind of drop outs do you have? Like I said even in a small apt. I would get terrible dropping. I was using a flat Airport extreme and two OLD Airport expresses (I am assuming that was my dropping problem).

4. Can you input to Airplay? I have a pretty large LP collection that I can connect to my Sonos system and thus play all over the house if I want. I would hate to give that up.

5. Is there any way to make all of your Airplay devices talk to each other? For example with Sonos I start a playlist and start working on my computer. If I don't like a song I can hit the skip button my computer, OR if my wife doesn't like the song SHE can hit the skip button from her computer, phone, iPad whatever. Does Airplay have this functionality yet?

That's all I can think of for the moment. Thanks in advance.

1. There are several ways to implement Airplay, so the answer is "it depends". If you have the audio app running on a computer, and have Airfoil running, you can launch AFRemote app on iOS and control each speaker individually for volume and to turn on and off each speaker. If you don't have Airfoil running, you would need to use iTunes and Remote.

2. I don't think that Apple or Airfoil has ever seen this as a need. There aren't zones with Airplay. However, if your wife is listening with Airfoil on via a computer and you are just streaming directly from Rdio on iOS to an Airplay speaker. You would turn off Rdio (stop sending audio to the Airplay speaker) and use AFRemote to start playing her audio on the Airplay speaker in your location. Instead of using a zone, you would have a list of every Airplay receiver/speaker available and you would turn them on and off independently.

3. I have had an older Airport Extreme in the setup for years. It is now used in Bridge mode to a TP-Link Archer C5 (however, I had a Linksys AC900 prior to that and used the Airport Extreme by itself prior to that). They have all worked fine in my setup. I change out routers more often than most because I review tech, however, I was perfectly happy with the Airport Extreme.

I do have an Airport Express in a sunroom on the back of the house. I would have dropouts in that area when I was out in the backyard because I would lose contact with the wifi router in the house. I fixed that issue with a home plug (power line ethernet). It now works as good as the Airplay receivers in the house.

There are also wifi boosters that can strengthen your signal. I have tested the TP-Link RE200 AC750 and it can provide a lot more range in the home. Personally, I prefer power line ethernet in combination with the Airport Express because you can then just use the Airport Express to expand your wifi signal.

The Airport Express I use every day is in our bathroom because I stream music or podcasts to it while I am getting ready for work. It is wifi only and works without any issues even in the moist conditions of the bathroom. The sunroom Airport Express is in a room that has no heating or air conditioning, so I spent $55 on an older Airport Express rather than spending $350 on a Connect and it has worked out there for over a year without a problem.

My main system and bedroom system both have ethernet connections.

5. I believe iTunes Remote/iTunes has this capability. I mainly use Rdio and it can control what is playing on iOS or a computer running Rdio. It can skip, start a new song, etc right from the Rdio app running on any computer or iOS device. If you run Rdio on a computer with Airfoil, you can skip or switch Airplay speakers with AFRemote. I am pretty sure Spotify Connect works the same way, but I haven't tested it.

I want to mention that the type of setup you are describing where everyone listens to the same music isn't really what Airplay is for (although I have mentioned the workarounds even though I rarely use them). Airplay is more about the individual listening to their own music from their own device.

Personally, I don't want to listen to my girlfriend's music all the time. I would rather be in my office listening to the music I like and she can listen to what she wants in the living room, for example. To me, this is a better way of listening to music rather than having a song come on that I like just to have here skip the song from the other room. It is like traveling on vacation in the car where were are both locked into listening to music that overlaps both of our tastes. I would rather have complete control of what I am listening to. If I want to listen to jazz, which she doesn't like, I can, without having her change the source to something else.

If you want to continue listening to music the way you are now, I think you are better off with Sonos. It is better for one pipeline without a computer being necessary.

Like I mentioned before, there will be use cases that are better for Sonos and use cases that are better for Airplay. Personally, I have no use for Sonos with the way I listen to music, but I realize that some people have different needs.
 
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