I agree especially for somethign aimed at students, but there are third-party mag-safe style USB-C cables you can get.
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Why I Returned the MacBook Neo
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nospleen
macrumors 68030
I have been very happy with the display on mine. My only, albeit very minor complaint, is the screen could use better anti reflective properties.
I do worry a little about dropping my macBook (USB C port) on the floor when tripping over the cord, something that I have already done. I managed to catch the MacBook before it fell to the floor. Yes the MacBook sat by the desk's edge 🙂
My preview MacBook had a MagSafe plug and found to to be safer than the Thunderbolt (or USB-C) power cables.
conmee
macrumors 6502a
Do you see my recent therapist notes and the invoice for my 16" M5 Pro MBP?!?!? 😉
maxoakland
macrumors 68000
Reviews have also mentioned it. I'm inclined to think you are wrong
maxoakland
macrumors 68000
Are you aware of product reviews? People often post them because others find it helpful to know if a product is as good as advertised. Did it ever occur to you that some people might learn from his experience having to return the product? If they're prone to the same issues, readers will now know it might not be the right product for them
I wasn't going to get involved with any of these threads but I see no color shift or washout on my Macbook Neo. For reference I also have a 16" MacBook Pro M1 Max and an 13" M5 MacBook Air for comparison. Apple usually sources multiple vendors for screens, perhaps some of the screens are not as good?
maxoakland
macrumors 68000
maxoakland
macrumors 68000
This is just market speak/cope to reassure stockholders that Microsoft didn’t make a mistake in over investing in AI (even though it did) and it’s not changing course (even though it is) because no mistakes were made (even though they were). Microsoft doesn’t want its stock price to go down (even though it did)
Stop with the “something is wrong with your eyes” or “it was a bad panel”…
The Neo Panel displays 30-35% less colours than MBAs and MBPs. Colours will be less defined including more grey to the blacks. The anti-reflectiveness of the screen is also less as well.
These are facts.
Max Tech compares the Neo to the MBA, says the Neo’s screen makes the MBA’s screen look like an OLED and that there is a big difference between the screens.
I’m not alone in my experience…
Because…
The Neo’s screen is objectively not as good as a MBA or MBP. That is why I had the experience I had, and not because of anything else like my eyes are broken or it was a bad panel. I also have been to various stores looking at them and they are all the same… because they are an inferior panel. Significantly less colour saturation, which also is less contrast, less anti-relection…
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I7guy
macrumors Westmere
Yes.
I don’t find them helpful as usually with tech items people don’t have the same use cases. I use product reviews for helpful hints and techniques only.
Don’t see that here. Only see debating the points.
One persons issue; ie claims of bad off-angle viewing is a non-issue to others. And it’s clear the Neos’ positives is coming through more than its negatives.
You just erected a strawman. It is not just my issue. This kind of trollish gaslighting is absurd.
Max Tech: The Neo’s screen makes the MBA’s screen look like an OLED.
Queen6
macrumors G5
You have a valid point as the Air & MBP have wide colour gamut (P3) displays, while the Neo has a sRGB colour gamut display. There's also a significant price differential, is worth remembering not everyone is in a position to directly compare MBN, MBA & MBP. For some the Neo's display will be an upgrade from an older Mac or a PC...
As for Youtubers they exist for clicks and thrive on controversy, making few reliable sources. Better to wait on a reliable source who can accurately measure and document. While I like the Neo it's not presently for me as overall my M1 13" MBP serves me better despite its lower single core performance. That said I'm not ruling out a Neo as for the price they are a knockout if you have purpose for one.
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eltoslightfoot
macrumors 68040
Yes, but that is why it's really important to get this stuff out there. This is critically important information for photographers, artists, and others who really, really need color accurate screens. Now, if they are pros, they should be willing to pay for the MBP or even MBA that has the better P3 screens, but it is really important to know this up front.
I7guy
macrumors Westmere
A comment you don’t agree with and in fact is more succinct than yours is not a strawman. The YouTube video is an anecdotal subjective opinion as well.
Queen6
macrumors G5
Apple's site clearly stipulates the technical specifications of all its HW. If the display a priority or any other aspect all people need to do is read. It's not hidden, right at the top of the product page as you scroll down..Rest is on the individual, complaining about a lesser feature on a $599 entry level Mac when its spec is in black & white is on them not Apple...
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turbineseaplane
macrumors Penryn
When a screen has objectively lesser technology specs, it’s essentially impossible for it to not look worse.
Just because some of you can’t see those differences does not mean they are not there.
I’d be happy that you can’t see them if that’s the case.
It’s a little bit like how at my age I can’t hear the difference with lossless Audio… which I’m fine and happy about.
Just because some of you can’t see those differences does not mean they are not there.
I’d be happy that you can’t see them if that’s the case.
It’s a little bit like how at my age I can’t hear the difference with lossless Audio… which I’m fine and happy about.
Queen6
macrumors G5
Is entirely possible to look better depending on where you're coming from such an older Intel or a cheap PC notebook. As said specs are there in B&W should people care to read... TBH I'm not sure what some were expecting of the Neo given it starts at $599. Neo is simply another offering that makes sense in the current climate and spiralling cost of silicon.
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turbineseaplane
macrumors Penryn
OK, but you are accusing people of not reading and you didn’t read what I wrote.
What you’ve described is coming from objectively worse specs, so of course the neo would look better.
Queen6
macrumors G5
I did read, equally you are stating the Neo's display is inferior but inferior to what? That's why I said depends on where you're coming from. If coming from an Apple Silicon Air/MBP with objectively better specs the Neo's display will be a downgrade. If coming from an older Intel Mac or cheap PC the Neo will likely be an upgrade. Is very simple...
Is also entirely possible that some displays are better than others. Apple and many other source components from multiple vendors, so one display may potentially be better than the other. 2012 15" Retina MBP prime example; suffered this having both Samsung & LG displays, the latter developed image retention. Just how the industry works, so doesn't surprise me that some state the Neo has colour shift etc. and some don't...
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The point is:
THIS SCREEN IS PERFECTLY FINE FOR THIS PRICE POINT, and better than other laptops in this same PRICE POINT!
THIS SCREEN IS PERFECTLY FINE FOR THIS PRICE POINT, and better than other laptops in this same PRICE POINT!
Queen6
macrumors G5
That is the point, some are expecting M3/M4 MacBook Air specs for $599. For many the Neo will be a great notebook and one of the smartest moves Apple has made with the Mac of recent.
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ikramerica
macrumors 68020
It would but for the claim the same was true in the Apple store. So every display model in different colors and the returned item shipped from a different lot had the same problem that most machines don’t have?
Possible but not plausible.
As for being surprised by the SIZE of the screen, that’s different. I was surprised at how small it really was in person. But I took a wait and see approach rather than a buy and return plan.
Edit: Ended up buying my older son a discounted Lenovo Chromebook with touch for $189. It’s 4/64 but works for school. And he gave my younger son his old non-touch Chromebook, who is so excited to have his first computer.
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I'm glad you know everything about everything. Where would be without you?
Did I say it was as good as a MBA or MBP? No I did not. I said I don't see noticeable color shift or washout from extreme angles. Your arrogance and bias is really showing in your extreme responses to anything anyone says nice about the Neo.