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Why I Returned the MacBook Neo
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You are the one who inserted yourself into this thread and then stated what this is really about. No, it isn't about what you think it is about. It is about me. It is about what my preference is. It is my review. If the Neo works for other people, great.
This: people who do research on the Internet want objective information including pros and cons.
Also, it is an unsupported assumption that people buy the Neo for only one reason being price. There is no evidence for that.
What is your thought on why Apple came out with this unprecedented laptop price?
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I7guy
macrumors Westmere
Yes sir! I have the freedom to comment on posts within threads pursuant to the rules. Even if some posters disagree with the opinions expressed. As I said you don’t like the screen and it’s perfectly fine. That has been mentioned other places, to me, it’s not an issue.
Yes, there are some great places for objective information including pros and cons. But I’m not sure this thread is one of those places.
And for me, the initial attraction of the Neo was the price. But I did my due diligence and went to the Apple Store to play around with it. I then bought it. Something’s had to be taken on a leap of faith as I couldn’t really test them out.
But in the end we were pleasantly surprised.
I don’t know. I could say to penetrate the education market. I could say to tap into the Windows market. I could say to capture a lower tier buyer market.
But I’m not in their boardroom.
Some other perspectives:
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Why isn't this thread a place for objective information.
eltoslightfoot
macrumors 68040
That guy is hilarious. I love him.
I7guy
macrumors Westmere
Posting objective information and making a subjective comment are two different things.
For example, the Neo screen is objectively worse than the Air screen. The Pro screen is objectively worse then the IPP M5 screen.
However, subjectively you may like the Neo screen, the Air screen and the Pro screen.
To me that boils down to semantics as to things can be true at the same time.
At this point, I think the amount of posters on here that can't wait to tell you how bad the Neo is, repeatedly, are just plants from a scared Lenovo, Acer, HP, Dell etc
Incredible, really, that an excellent £599 laptop from Apple causes so much consternation for some.
Incredible, really, that an excellent £599 laptop from Apple causes so much consternation for some.
eltoslightfoot
macrumors 68040
At this point, maybe the thread should be shut down. Like what's the point in continuing? Most "negative" posters will say something along the lines of, "this Macbook Neo is decent, especially for the price. But it has some weird drawbacks and the marketing is weird." Somehow this is misconstrued to these same posters hate the Neo, hate Apple, and why do they care anyway?
It's just so weird.
It's just so weird.
I7guy
macrumors Westmere
FWIW I think only a small percentage of posters say “the marketing is weird”.
Most “positive posters” recognize the Mac Neo is right sized and for the price, one is getting a good value to price laptop.
That doesn’t mean the Neo is the be all and end all of apple products. It serves a particular and specific customer base.
Queen6
macrumors G5
Apple clearly stipulates the Neo has an sRGB display, yet you're crying the display didn't meet your personal standards. DCI-P3 vs sRGB kind of a clue there one would be the lesser, although a good sRGB panel is still a good panel... Bought the wrong system and all twisted up your being mocked for your attitude against those who have the Neo and have no issue with colour shift etc.
2012 15" Retina MBP had two vendors for the display LG & Samsung, both the same spec. The LG was inferior as suffered image retention. That wasn't a fantasy or an excuse it's a cold hard fact, sometimes things go awry. How companies deal with such matters is the bigger issue. Neo starts at $599, Air starts at $1099, Pro stars at $1699 starting to see a pattern here and why some have better HW and more features than others 🤔
If the Neo's panel was bad the internet would know and certainly revealed by the likes Notebookcheck people who go into details, back up their findings with facts & figures. Youtubers chase sensation to generate clicks with very few being straight or offering in-depth reviews.
Q-6
You are bringing up a discussion already covered in this thread.
I knew the specs ahead of time. I made the statement that I may end up returning it because I just didn't know until I saw it in person and used it. Imagine someone not knowing whether they like something or whether something meets their requirements until they actually use it...
Apple clearly does not list:
- Whether the screen is laminated or not.
- The level of anti-reflection on the screen.
- Contrast ratio.
I am not alone in my experience and criticism of the MacBook Neo. Others, like the below reviewer, also did not expect the screen quality difference between the Neo and the MBA. What you are doing is somehow trying to make me look like I am alone and there is something flawed with me. It's absurd.
Let me be clear: the Neo screen is bad, because that is my experience. If it works for others, great, they can use it and be happy. I have never said I had a problem with that.
"It's a big difference. Honestly this [the Neo] makes the Air screen look like an OLED. We did not EXPECT this big of a difference"
I7guy
macrumors Westmere
Really can’t counter anything you said. You don’t like the screen so you don’t like the screen. To me the screen is fine and I don’t have an issue with the screen.
The only thing is to be fair the apple website does not list the specs for MBA either in terms of:
1. Laminated or not
2. Etc.
You’re the one bringing up specs. My approach goes for any product.
I7guy
macrumors Westmere
Correct. I brought up the specs after you did. By saying the Apple website did not list lamination and reflectivity.
And to be fair my approach also goes for any product. Try it out and see if I like it.
This gets silly. The only reason I keep mentioning specs is in response to people coming on here repeating the same thing: “Apple lists the specs dude…” You talk about how you saw the specs and instantly knew it would be good for your wife.
No, Apple does not list all of the specs and specs alone are not a replacement for some of us who need to try a product in person.
So there is nothing “wrong” with me. There are things “wrong” with the Neo, for me.
Queen6
macrumors G5
Why are you constantly repeating yourself? You didn't like the display, fair enough. Seems more like you don't like that others have differing opinions and didn't rush into support you. So you found a Youtuber with the same position or more to the point opinion. Others present actual facts & figures clearly illustrating both the positives & negatives in detail and even a potential fix for grayscale & colour accuracy via freely available colour profile.
People get why you returned the Neo, but is it so import to you to keep forcing the issue on others? Myself doubt I'll pick up a Neo as have HW that better serves. If I do, will see first-hand without making a song and dance about it... Personally my expectations are balanced for a $599 entry level notebook as in not expecting the same performance as a significantly more expensive notebook.
Stating over again in large bold lettering does little for changing people's opinion, well maybe but not quite what your aiming for... To quote " It is about me. It is about what my preference is" as for a review they generally consist of a lot more than two bullet points, as that's simply conjecture & opinion.
Q-6
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Queen6
macrumors G5
Agree $599 speaks for itself. People just need to decide if the Pro's outweigh the Con's or vice versa. At least the review offers an unbiased insight into the Neo and that's all I personally want.
On face value I think Apple has done a good job with the Neo, with some insight given the silicon shortage no thx to the AI hyperscalers that's going to push pricing unless the bubble bursts. No doubt the Neo is in demand we have 3 Apple Stores and countless approved resellers locally. The Neo is in and out of stock on a daily basis. 512 seems to have a big demand, backed up to mid April...
Q-6
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Queen6
macrumors G5
Benefit of others... That and MR is a public forum that your spending your time on responding to defend your position. Never said your wrong in your opinion, equally it's not definitive or proven. Like much in life is simply subjective...
Q-6
Not all of the specs are in B&W Apple’s site. For example, no mention of anti-reflective characteristics of the Neo’s display. This is why it’s helpful for posters like the OP to share their impressions. Others can then take that into account when deciding on whether or not to purchase the Neo.
Now, for me, if I was in the market to purchase the a basically laptop….which I’m not as my 14 inch M3 pro MBP fits my needs perfectly….I’d seriously consider the Neo with full knowledge of its pros/cons…as all things considered, I think it’s a great little laptop for the price.
eltoslightfoot
macrumors 68040
Exactly the right way to say it. /End all the Neo threads
Queen6
macrumors G5
The specifications are not comprehensive, equally is a clue as is the $599 entry price. Agree real-world impressions are important. State your piece and don't make a meal of it or expect reassurance from or coerce others. Then to be pissed off when they don't...
Q-6
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I7guy
macrumors Westmere
Correct. The MacBook Air doesn’t have a comprehensive list either. Apple caters to the “common person” for the most part.