iPhone 11 Why iPhone 11 is still a "720p" phone?

[FlyingDutch]

Ah man, I can fully appreciate choosing the device that best suits your needs / wants.

But this line:

4.7" 326ppi 750 x 1334 screen was ok

But with the XR/11, it was enlarged to 6.1", still 326ppi so the resolution grew along with the screen size to 828 x 1792.

Its not that they kept the same 750x1334 and stretched it to 6.1 causing it to use larger pixels and same screen real estate.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying one should be happy with 326ppi if they prefer higher (I prefer the 11 Pro display / higher PPI myself). Just curious why it was ok in a 4.7" display and not a 6.1" display.

For reference - here's the XR/11 side by side with the 6/7/8. Both have identical pixel density. Just one is 6.1" and other is 4.7":

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If it looks awful on the iPhone 11 with 326ppi, I can't imagine how terrible the same items must look on all iPads, iMacs, 5K and 6K displays..

Those who want a higher pixel dense display can choose the X/Xs/11 Pro. I did. For the majority of users though, guarantee they'll have no idea what pixel density is, nor that the pixel density in the 6/7/8/XR/11 is already much greater than any other Apple device they can buy.

Maybe its time we start instead pushing and complaining about getting higher densities in iPads and Macs.

Exactly.
As I said a couple of times, he doesn’t understand what PPI means, still speaking about “720P or 1080P”.

And I’m with you: I’m not saying 326PPI is the best we can hope for.
But it surely is not an issue, as long as other things are ok in that display.
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I was referring to the display of the S10e not the overall device and experience.

It is a typical Samsung display, so it is very bright and crisp.
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It’s still not worthy of paying $699 for. I don’t care about the OS as much and I’ll take a S10e, pixel 3A, pixel 3, or pixel 4 before I’ll buy the iPhone 11. The two strikes on the iPhone 11 is the resolution and the fact it’s a LCD panel. If the iPad Pro 11 was OLED I would love it even more. I prefer the Samsung tablets but let’s be honest android tablets are dead.

You are basically judging things just by looking at the specs sheet 🤦🏻‍♂️

 

[FlyingDutch]

No you cannot, and no you haven't. Stop it. I have 20/10 vision with my contacts in. I cannot see crap. Neither can anyone else. And neither can you. UCLA did a study on screen resolutions and over 1000 people couldn't see any pixels on a 10R. But you can. OK. No you cannot. Period. Or you have better vision than a eagle. I have a 11 pro and like my daughters 11 screen better. The 11 screen shows true white. Mine doesn't. No black crush. The colors on the 11 are also better. A OLED screen has a penile layout, so the 458 ppi is more like 405 ppi due to the fact of the missing sub pixels.
At 326ppi the iPhone 11 can play 1080p or 4k upscaled with zero issues.
I say the 11 has the better screen and I have a pro. Notice the color test toward the end of the video.
326ppi, 880p vs 1080 and 458 ppi vs 1440p and over 500ppi. Makes zero difference because your eyes cannot tell the difference. No one's can. That goes for yours too. News flash, my iPhone doesn't display 1080p either because of the OLED screens penile pixel substructure.

Absolutely agree with you.

 

[aue123]

Why?

1. 1080p is “good enough”. It’s still a sharp, high resolution display even if it’s not the highest. The XR/11 is made for the masses. Despite what the internet might have you think, the masses don’t care about the exact pixel count or resolution.
2. To save costs on the “cheaper” phone. I’m sure that using a sub-1080p screen partially allowed Apple to put in a second camera *and* lower the price on the phone at the same time.
3. Profits. Sure, it might only cost $3 per phone, but as another user pointed out, that’s $30 million if they end up selling 10 million phones. Nothing to sneeze at.

i’m a little late to the party but i think it’s interesting you think $30 million is substantial to a trillion dollar company.. they would still have 999.9 billion in the bank lol

 

[now i see it]

Proof. Eye test experiment.

 

[iphoned2]

I can't quite look at the iPhone the same way after watching this comedian roast it:

 

[subjonas]

“Retina resolution” means that at normal viewing distance, the human eye cannot distinguish pixels. That’s all anyone should care about. Increasing pixel density just for the sake of it will do nothing beneficial, but it will increase battery consumption and the cost of the device.

If you insist that you can see the pixels at normal viewing distance, sorry, your eagle eyes are a minority.

The only other exception is if you use your phone close to your face for things like Google Cardboard VR. But in my opinion, that is a minor case, and probably a passing fad.

 

[JohnApples]

i’m a little late to the party but i think it’s interesting you think $30 million is substantial to a trillion dollar company.. they would still have 999.9 billion in the bank lol

I find it interesting that you think a corporation would turn their back on $30 million just because they’re already extremely wealthy.

Yes, it’s a relatively small amount compared to their valuation, but it’s definitely not something to sneeze at. The goal of a corporation is to make as much money as possible.

Apple was going to sell a ton of iPhone 11’s regardless if they went ~720p or 1080p. So of course they’re going to maximize profits as much as possible. That’s literally *how* they became a trillion dollar company.

 

[styymy]

1080p mon should be still very cheap, let's say it is $3 more expensive for Apple to use 1080p screen. I really want an at least 1080p iPhone instead of 720p, so I skip upgrading iPhone again.

When you have 50-year old eyes, all this 720p, 1080p, 4k, 6k, 8k, 10k stuff won't matter anymore.

 

[Phone Junky]

When you have 50-year old eyes, all this 720p, 1080p, 4k, 6k, 8k, 10k stuff won't matter anymore.

Ain't that the truth.

 

[44267547]

When you have 50-year old eyes, all this 720p, 1080p, 4k, 6k, 8k, 10k stuff won't matter anymore.

So this is another way of you’re saying you’re old, got it.😁 (I kid).

Anyways, it has nothing to do with age, consumers don’t know the differences between 720/1080, etc. It doesn’t matter in the outside world, that’s why Apple rarely ever talks about the resolution on their iPhones during keynotes, because consumers don’t care, and well...don’t understand what it means anyways.

 

[Closingracer]

Again, the sentence here above contradicted your words.
Speaking about “1080P” means you don’t understand PPI.

In 2020 human eyes aren’t changed.
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I have an S10e.
I’m using it everyday (because I need 2 phones), and it is a nice device.

Inferior to the iPhone in my opinion.

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I have an 11, and 11 Pro and an XR in my house.
I really can’t complain on the two LCD displays. They are great.
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So basically to see a difference you have to do something that I would NEVER do on my iPhone.
Interesting...

I understand PPI. I’m saying I’m not paying for a device that isn’t 1080p at $699. I’ll gladly go buy an Android device that is at least 1080P at the price range which there is plenty. At this point it’s an inferior device and I’m not going to buy an iPhone. Pixel 3 > iPhone 11 at $699. What don’t YOU don’t understand? Screen is important and I’m NOT going to pay $699 for an iPhone 11 when I can get a better display elsewhere with the same amount of
Money. Two strikes on the iPhone 11 is the fact it uses LCD which isn’t a deal breaker but the fact it’s screen isn’t even 1080p and only 326ppi when a pixel 3 has a better ppi and the same price as the iPhone 11 I rather get the pixel 3 then the iPhone.

 

[Closingracer]

Exactly.
As I said a couple of times, he doesn’t understand what PPI means, still speaking about “720P or 1080P”.

And I’m with you: I’m not saying 326PPI is the best we can hope for.
But it surely is not an issue, as long as other things are ok in that display.
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It is a typical Samsung display, so it is very bright and crisp.
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You are basically judging things just by looking at the specs sheet

Lol you don’t understand at all. I’m not a sheep. I’ll buy the better device at the price range and in this case the iPhone 11 is inferior. Why accept a phone with 326ppi when in the same price range you can get BETTER. The pixel 3, 3A, Samsung Galaxy S10e all close to the $699 or cheaper of the iPhone 11 price tag with a BETTER display.


You can buy that inferior display on the iPhone 11. I’ll go get a 11 pro with a better screen. The 11 wasn’t an option. I’ll gladly get an Android device before I’ll pay $699 for an iPhone 11. Don’t think you understand what choice is. I’ll choose to buy an android phone then that thing.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

Lol you don’t understand at all. I’m not a sheep. I’ll buy the better device at the price range and in this case the iPhone 11 is inferior. Why accept a phone with 326ppi when in the same price range you can get BETTER. The pixel 3, 3A, Samsung Galaxy S10e all close to the $699 or cheaper of the iPhone 11 price tag with a BETTER display.


You can buy that inferior display on the iPhone 11. I’ll go get a 11 pro with a better screen. The 11 wasn’t an option. I’ll gladly get an Android device before I’ll pay $699 for an iPhone 11. Don’t think you understand what choice is. I’ll choose to buy an android phone then that thing.

I’m not a screen enthusiast as such but the main reason I wouldn’t buy a Pixel or a Samsung is because they don’t run iOS. The interface is so much more user friendly and pleasant to use compared to Android in my view. The continuity I have between my iPhone, iPad and Apple Watch is unrivalled and I no longer have to compare different OS’s as I am happy with what Apple offers. I don’t need to buy the flagship iPhone to get the best screen and the screen in the iPhone 11 in my view is perfectly fine.

This comes down to buying what you feel comfortable with. You don’t like the iPhone 11 and prefer to buy other phones with better screens and I say ‘good for you’. The purchase isn’t all about the screen though for many and it’s clear the vast majority of new iPhone upgrades don’t care as they are buying the XR and 11.

 

[icloudUser]

“Retina resolution” means that at normal viewing distance, the human eye cannot distinguish pixels. That’s all anyone should care about. Increasing pixel density just for the sake of it will do nothing beneficial, but it will increase battery consumption and the cost of the device.

If you insist that you can see the pixels at normal viewing distance, sorry, your eagle eyes are a minority.

The only other exception is if you use your phone close to your face for things like Google Cardboard VR. But in my opinion, that is a minor case, and probably a passing fad.

I kept a iphone 8 plus and 11 side by side (auto brightness/true tone off). Both were displaying the same photo (taken by 11)

Could see the difference in the photo quality.

Its baffling why apple wouldnt go for 1080P screen in the 11. Is the price diff between the two significant for Apple that it would cut into their profits?

 

[Closingracer]

I’m not a screen enthusiast as such but the main reason I wouldn’t buy a Pixel or a Samsung is because they don’t run iOS. The interface is so much more user friendly and pleasant to use compared to Android in my view. The continuity I have between my iPhone, iPad and Apple Watch is unrivalled and I no longer have to compare different OS’s as I am happy with what Apple offers. I don’t need to buy the flagship iPhone to get the best screen and the screen in the iPhone 11 in my view is perfectly fine.

This comes down to buying what you feel comfortable with. You don’t like the iPhone 11 and prefer to buy other phones with better screens and I say ‘good for you’. The purchase isn’t all about the screen though for many and it’s clear the vast majority of new iPhone upgrades don’t care as they are buying the XR and 11.

Which is why I bought an iPhone 11 Pro and not the iPhone 11. But if price was more of a factor and only had $699 it’s not worth it. It’s nice to have it seamless but at the end of the day I would just sell my watch and get a Pixel 4 with the $100+ I’ll get for my series 4. I’m not tied down to Apple which is on purpose so I can switch if I have to. Everything I use with the exception of Apple Music is a non Apple service.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

Which is why I bought an iPhone 11 Pro and not the iPhone 11. But if price was more of a factor and only had $699 it’s not worth it. It’s nice to have it seamless but at the end of the day I would just sell my watch and get a Pixel 4 with the $100+ I’ll get for my series 4. I’m not tied down to Apple which is on purpose so I can switch if I have to. Everything I use with the exception of Apple Music is a non Apple service.

That’s your choice though. To me the iPhone 11 would be worth it due to it having the same camera, processor, FaceID technology etc. It runs iOS and Android doesn’t which is why I’d never buy anything other than an iPhone. I’d not be selling my Apple Watch which in my opinion is the nicest smartwatch in the market, and ditching my iPad to move to a different operating system because they offer superior screens. I don’t overly care about the screen so the difference between you and I is I’d be compromising too much just to get what you perceive is a better screen.

I’m not in the least bit interested in the iPhone 11 Pro either.

 

[Closingracer]

That’s your choice though. To me the iPhone 11 would be worth it due to it having the same camera, processor, FaceID technology etc. It runs iOS and Android doesn’t which is why I’d never buy anything other than an iPhone. I’d not be selling my Apple Watch which in my opinion is the nicest smartwatch in the market, and ditching my iPad to move to a different operating system because they offer superior screens. I don’t overly care about the screen so the difference between you and I is I’d be compromising too much just to get what you perceive is a better screen.

I’m not in the least bit interested in the iPhone 11 Pro either.

Who said I would sell my iPad ? I’m fine using both iOS and Android. I want the best device for me and that’s the iPhone 11 Pro which is only going to cost me $150 more. I want the best screen possible and if I have to go back to Android to get it at the $699 price range I would do so. I am not loyal to a brand because doing so is just foolish. At the end of the day Android and iOS does the same exact things... text , phone calls and use the Internet. That’s what’s most important.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

Who said I would sell my iPad ? I’m fine using both iOS and Android. I want the best device for me and that’s the iPhone 11 Pro which is only going to cost me $150 more. I want the best screen possible and if I have to go back to Android to get it at the $699 price range I would do so. I am not loyal to a brand because doing so is just foolish. At the end of the day Android and iOS does the same exact things... text , phone calls and use the Internet. That’s what’s most important.

You don’t have to sell me your user preferences, it makes no difference to me what you use or prefer. I didn’t say you’d sell your iPad, I said ‘I wouldn’t’ if you read my post again.

I’m not loyal to Apple, I just prefer their software for my portable devices. I just prefer it to android and if you use both then I think that’s great. I wouldn’t want the hassle personally but that’s me. I’m just trying to explain your preferences are yours and don’t necessarily apply to others both here and out in the market. I like the iPhone 11 as it’s a great phone and the fact it has 95% of the features of the top tier iPhones for £300 less makes it very appealing in my view. You don’t agree, that’s absolutely fine.

 

[subjonas]

I kept a iphone 8 plus and 11 side by side (auto brightness/true tone off). Both were displaying the same photo (taken by 11)

Could see the difference in the photo quality.

Its baffling why apple wouldnt go for 1080P screen in the 11. Is the price diff between the two significant for Apple that it would cut into their profits?

Again, I’d say the reason Apple doesn’t is because those who see a noticeable difference (enough to care) are probably a minority. By increasing the PPI beyond 326, they’d be appeasing the minority, but the trade off would be increasing the cost of the phone and decreasing the battery life for everyone.

So the short answer is that the iPhone 11 is not targeted at such a person. For them, Apple made the “Super Retina” iPhone Pro. The battery life/size trade off probably wasn’t as bad because of the OLED screen.

 

[sunsetrunner]

Calling it 720p is not fair. iPhone XR/11 screens are actually “1008p” if you consider the aspect ratio of their screens. Starting with X iPhones have 19.5:9 screens. So when you make a fair comparison with phones with 16:9 screen ratio, iPhone XR&11 have tall screens with 1008p resolution really. 1792x828 to be exact. Why do people take only the width under consideration not the height?

I’m upgrading to new iPhones every year since 2009 and after using iPhone X for a year, I upgraded to XR. And this year I moved to an 11. I’m perfectly happy with the screen’s sharpness. Pretty good for rich media content and reading text. I’m perfectly fine with using Liquid Retina LCD screen, I’ll keep passing iPhones with OLED screens.

 

[The.Glorious.Son]

Who said I would sell my iPad ? I’m fine using both iOS and Android. I want the best device for me and that’s the iPhone 11 Pro which is only going to cost me $150 more. I want the best screen possible and if I have to go back to Android to get it at the $699 price range I would do so. I am not loyal to a brand because doing so is just foolish. At the end of the day Android and iOS does the same exact things... text , phone calls and use the Internet. That’s what’s most important.

I wasn’t sure which of your 20+ posts to quote but I have a genuine, non-snarky question to ask. Why are you repeating yourself post, after post, after post? What is your goal? The iPhone XR was the best selling phone of 2019 with the same display as the 11 which dominated holiday sales. According to you, all of these people are suckers for buying a sub-1080p phone in 2019/2020. Unless money being a factor of course. You’ve reiterated time after time you’d never buy an 11, you’d rather get a minimum 1080p Android, aren’t tied to one ecosystem, etc.

I gained all of that ‘knowledge’ from one single post. You’ve posted it time and time again. What exactly is your motive that you didn’t cover in post one? It’s as if you are triggered that so many others enjoy a phone you deem to be crap.

Edit: Now approaching 30 comments and counting. It appears someone is struggling mightily to justify their purchase of a more expensive pro model. Imagine, if you will, having a life consumed by such. Quite sad.

 

[USF813]

So I just upgraded from iPhone 7 to iPhone 11 today and the screen resolution is absolutely fine. I have no idea what this arguing over a perfectly acceptable LCD panel that does not cause migraines is about. Do you pro users just live in an “argue to hear yourselves talk” world?

I was hoping iPhone 12 would bring back Touch ID and keep the LCD but it appears that may not be the case, so I went ahead and bought the 11.

 

[skaertus]

Honestly, I cannot see the difference as I cannot see the individual pixels (and I am picky). So, I suppose a higher resolution would only drain more battery.

What I would like instead is an OLED screen instead of LCD. That makes a real difference!

 

[HarryWild]

Every upgrade to better screen technology involves more $$$$$$$$$$$ for Apple to spend. Apple has no reason to do this! At 720p, the battery will be the longest running too.

 

[FlyingDutch]

Lol you don’t understand at all. I’m not a sheep. I’ll buy the better device at the price range and in this case the iPhone 11 is inferior. Why accept a phone with 326ppi when in the same price range you can get BETTER. The pixel 3, 3A, Samsung Galaxy S10e all close to the $699 or cheaper of the iPhone 11 price tag with a BETTER display.


You can buy that inferior display on the iPhone 11. I’ll go get a 11 pro with a better screen. The 11 wasn’t an option. I’ll gladly get an Android device before I’ll pay $699 for an iPhone 11. Don’t think you understand what choice is. I’ll choose to buy an android phone then that thing.

I actually OWN a Galaxy S10e.
It is an inferior product compared to the iPhone 11.
Not evento to speak about ridiculous phones like a Pixel 3A...

You keep speaking about “better” display based only on resolution. This clearly tell me a lot about your understanding on the matter...