You didn't even read what I posted then..
I did. I just don’t want a sub 1080p screen on a 6.1 inch device. Could be the same ppi or not. Still not buying it in 2020.
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iPhone 11 Why iPhone 11 is still a "720p" phone?
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I did. I just don’t want a sub 1080p screen on a 6.1 inch device. Could be the same ppi or not. Still not buying it in 2020.
This thread is so flawed in its bases ... 🤦🏻♂️
First of all: iPhone XR / 11 display IS NOT a 720P screen. Apple doesn’t have to comply with “Android” resolutions, and they are using a screen that has 30%+ more pixels than a generic 720P display.
other than that, no one is considering a full RGB matrix vs a PenTile OLED matrix, where subpixels on the RGB matrix are different and “real“ resolution can’t be compared.
A 326 PPI RGB matrix is not less sharper than a 400+ PPI PenTile matrix.
resolution is just ONE of the parameters defining the quality of a display, just like megapixels are just ONE of the parameters defining the quality of a camera.
Those numbers are speaking more about quantity than quality.
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Every single half competent analysis about the displays showed a much better screen on the iPhone 11 than on the iPhone 8.
First of all: iPhone XR / 11 display IS NOT a 720P screen. Apple doesn’t have to comply with “Android” resolutions, and they are using a screen that has 30%+ more pixels than a generic 720P display.
other than that, no one is considering a full RGB matrix vs a PenTile OLED matrix, where subpixels on the RGB matrix are different and “real“ resolution can’t be compared.
A 326 PPI RGB matrix is not less sharper than a 400+ PPI PenTile matrix.
resolution is just ONE of the parameters defining the quality of a display, just like megapixels are just ONE of the parameters defining the quality of a camera.
Those numbers are speaking more about quantity than quality.
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He clearly doesn’t understand what “PPI” means... 🤷🏻♂️
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Your anecdotal evidence counts for what it is: anecdotal evidence.
Every single half competent analysis about the displays showed a much better screen on the iPhone 11 than on the iPhone 8.
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3 facts :
1.Interesting that Plus models must render same 2,74mil pixels as 11pro/xs, but then dowscale.
2.X,XS, 11pro has same "width in points" as 6s,7,8
3.XR,11 has same "content resolution" as XS Max, 11 Pro Max, so you can't see more content but, bigger and in higher dpi. I still thought that Max versions show more content as well.
1.Interesting that Plus models must render same 2,74mil pixels as 11pro/xs, but then dowscale.
2.X,XS, 11pro has same "width in points" as 6s,7,8
3.XR,11 has same "content resolution" as XS Max, 11 Pro Max, so you can't see more content but, bigger and in higher dpi. I still thought that Max versions show more content as well.
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Nice observations. I always find this stuff interesting. Not sure why lol.
Also their point resolutions (or actual screen real estate) is nearly identical, just that the X/Xs/Pro has a different aspect ratio to the 6/7/8 Plus phones.
And the Xs/11 Max with same point width as the 6/7/8 Plus.
I found that pretty interesting as soon as the XR launched and it essentially had identical point resolution to the Max, but in a smaller package. Definitely a nicer screen on the Max, but interesting that the smaller XR/11 gets you the same screen real estate / point resolution.
Also their point resolutions (or actual screen real estate) is nearly identical, just that the X/Xs/Pro has a different aspect ratio to the 6/7/8 Plus phones.
And the Xs/11 Max with same point width as the 6/7/8 Plus.
I found that pretty interesting as soon as the XR launched and it essentially had identical point resolution to the Max, but in a smaller package. Definitely a nicer screen on the Max, but interesting that the smaller XR/11 gets you the same screen real estate / point resolution.
I asked myself the same question, tried one phone out and for me the answer is yes, absolutely tolerable for a phone.
So by 2022 you’ll probably shout for 500dpi. To each their own.
This thread is so flawed in its bases ...
First of all: iPhone XR / 11 display IS NOT a 720P screen. Apple doesn’t have to comply with “Android” resolutions, and they are using a screen that has 30%+ more pixels than a generic 720P display.
other than that, no one is considering a full RGB matrix vs a PenTile OLED matrix, where subpixels on the RGB matrix are different and “real“ resolution can’t be compared.
A 326 PPI RGB matrix is not less sharper than a 400+ PPI PenTile matrix.
resolution is just ONE of the parameters defining the quality of a display, just like megapixels are just ONE of the parameters defining the quality of a camera.
Those numbers are speaking more about quantity than quality.
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He clearly doesn’t understand what “PPI” means...
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Your anecdotal evidence counts for what it is: anecdotal evidence.
Every single half competent analysis about the displays showed a much better screen on the iPhone 11 than on the iPhone 8.
I fully understand ppi. Still isn’t a phone that should be released in 2019 for the price you pay. If I only had $700 I would rather go back to Android then deal with the 11 res.
Increasing the pixel density of the LCD requires a more powerful backlight. Its unlikely they could get to a pixel density that scales in that aspect ratio without negatively effecting color accuracy and/or peak brightness.
Definitely an Android move though. Increase the resolution for those with better than 20/20 visual acuity so you can put out a display thats visually worse for everyone. Oh and it has worse battery life and unusable in the sun.
If phone viewing distance is 12-18" and laptop viewing distances are 20-24" is your MacBook Pro difficult to deal with?
What are you dealing with other than your want of a higher resolution?
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according to your reply, you don't understand PPI at all.
BTW you can buy whatever please you more. With an higher resolution, and a lower quality display like most of the Android phones out there.
I really don’t get the complaints about the screen in the iPhone 11. I’ve got an 8+ and the screens are on par with each other. Totally good enough for a mobile phone IMO.
Yeah, I got the daughter a new iP11 for Christmas, the wife a iP11Pro, I've got an X, sitting around I've got several older models 6/7/Plus flavors, etc.
I took a good extended look at the device when I set it up, snapped photos, compared the display to the X/11Pro, and it's terrific, good color, excellent brightness, no "resolution deficiency" by my assessment (which didn't involve thinking about the specs ...)
I understand PPI pixel per inch. I’m saying I’m NOT buying a phone that isn’t 1080P in 2020.
I think that’s the issue with a lot of people as they don’t compare like you and I have. They see a figure on a spec sheet and get it into their heads the performance is inferior. I’m very glad my buying choices aren’t hindered by that sort of mindset to be honest.
Here's a test everyone who has a Plus iPhone and regular sized iPhone can easily do to show a GLARING discrepancy in sharpness between the two screens.
Go to Settings/Accessibility/ and make sure the screen Zoom feature is on.
Then go to the home screen and zoom/magnify the screen by double tapping it with 3 fingers. Zoom way in.
Try it on the Plus iPhone and then on the regular iPhone. The regular small iPhone screen rendering looks like utter crap when zoomed in. The Plus iPhone looks great.
That's the ppi issue raising its ugly head.
Go to Settings/Accessibility/ and make sure the screen Zoom feature is on.
Then go to the home screen and zoom/magnify the screen by double tapping it with 3 fingers. Zoom way in.
Try it on the Plus iPhone and then on the regular iPhone. The regular small iPhone screen rendering looks like utter crap when zoomed in. The Plus iPhone looks great.
That's the ppi issue raising its ugly head.
Let’s be fair, nobody needs to really do that. If you’re not seeing a difference in normal use, it’s pointless obsessing about trying to find something for the sake of it.
I’m sure if I put my 8+ under a microscope, I’d see pixels. There’s no constructive point in doing so.
It's a pretty terrific device, I got hers from BB for $549 (balance 0% monthly through Verizon), that's very reasonable for the device specs and features. Excellent camera(s), the little G is shooting some awesome photo/video content
I hear what you’re saying - I’m asking this with genuine curiosity - you mentioned 326ppi is ok on a 4.7” device (like then iPhone 6/7/8), but not won the 6.1” iPhone XR/11. Why is that exactly? Was it more that at the time (5 years ago) you’d be happy with 326ppi on a new phone but today you’d expect higher?
I agree, though after I spent a few weeks with multiple devices I really couldn’t bring myself to use the iPhone 11 with it’s display after using the X and 11 Pro side by side with it. I’m not knocking it at all - I mentioned it multiple times that I’m in the camp who thinks 326ppi is still good for an entry device like the XR or 11. But I think when spending time with both you can really start to appreciate the OLED display over the LCD. Though at the end of the day they’re all excellent displays.
And I bet if you asked 99% of the people using the XR or 11 if they understood what pixel density or OLED is they wouldn’t know what you’re talking about. Actually my brother wanted to upgrade from his X this year, and asked me if he should get the 11 or 11 Pro. I got him the 11, and then he asked what the 11 Pro had that was different, and I asked if he understood pixel density or OLED and he looked at me like I had two heads. He loves the 11 and thinks the display looks excellent.
I posted this way back or possibly in another thread, but I found the comparison interesting side by side (11 Pro, 11, X). Not really relevant to pixel density but interesting nonetheless.
It’ll be a long time before I’m using an OLED device with the price being so high. I like the quality of LCD though so I’m not in an urgent rush. I know a few people now who owned iPhone X’s and upgraded to the 11. I’ve asked them about noticeable screen quality and they are not bothered as the LCD on the 11 is good enough. I’ll likely go to it or the 12 from my current 8+ and I can’t say I notice a significant difference. I’m not one for studying and obsessing over screens though.
PS: screen looks great on the 11 in your pic
It’ll be a long time before I’m using an OLED device with the price being so high. I like the quality of LCD though so I’m not in an urgent rush. I know a few people now who owned iPhone X’s and upgraded to the 11. I’ve asked them about noticeable screen quality and they are not bothered as the LCD on the 11 is good enough. I’ll likely go to it or the 12 from my current 8+ and I can’t say I notice a significant difference. I’m not one for studying and obsessing over screens though.
PS: screen looks great on the 11 in your pic
The LCD they use is excellent. My brother and close friend both upgraded from the X to 11 and love the new phone. I wanted the red 11 but I couldn’t get used to the screen myself. I’m happy though that both new models get the same cpu, camera setup (mostly) And its become more aesthetics and materials that differentiate the two models. I hated when the less expensive option meant that suggesting it to someone would result in compromising on performance or camera quality and you knew it wasn’t going to last as long as the current model.