Yeah, I gave up predicting Apple's actions a long time ago. Just blind faith now.... (thats real fanboy talk!)
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Why is apple sooo greedy?
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Yeah, I gave up predicting Apple's actions a long time ago. Just blind faith now.... (thats real fanboy talk!)
...and the weakness of the Apple model raises its ugly head once again.
Not saying there aren't advantages to the Apple model of linking the OS to the computer maker - but even the most ardent Apple support (like myself) must admit that not having multiple 'takes' on what makes a good computer is a huge weakness.
Not saying there aren't advantages to the Apple model of linking the OS to the computer maker - but even the most ardent Apple support (like myself) must admit that not having multiple 'takes' on what makes a good computer is a huge weakness.
and what about the screen resolution, lcd quality, size, os included in the price y/n, etc...
at the end of the day, that thing still runs windows so who cares how little you paid for it, it will come back and haunt you either way.
I made the same mistake 3 months ago, little did I know...
You can pick between WXGA and WXGA+ for the 14" and 15" models; that's one of the biggest advantages the Thinkpad has over the Macbook/Pro right off the bat. In fact, should I hop back to Windows, this is one of the primary reasons I'll get a Thinkpad. You can customize the heck out of their computers online.
Being a PC user for over 15 years I agree the hardware is much better, but that's because PCs are more or less "open source" and there's much competition. But, the reason I use Mac as well is because of the OS. I bought my MB because I hate Vista.
There's pros and cons for both PC and Mac, anyone who doesn't see it isn't being realistic. The only other gripe about Macs is that there's waaay less software and waaay more compatibility issues with non-Mac specific applications.
There's pros and cons for both PC and Mac, anyone who doesn't see it isn't being realistic. The only other gripe about Macs is that there's waaay less software and waaay more compatibility issues with non-Mac specific applications.
I dunno, I do not expect that Apple will provide the best hardware deals. Best hardware deals are for those companies that have to depend on software that is inferior and whose user experiences are the same.
I have owned a lot of Sonys, Dells, HPs, Gateways, IBMs, over the year the years, not a lot of really bad things to say about them (except perhaps my latest experiences with Vista) but I also can tell you that the experience of owning them was no way near the Mac experience. OS X, iLife, iWork etc made a believer out of me. This is easily worth the dollar premium alone.
So based on that understanding, sure Apple does not need to offer quite the same "deals" as the others do.
What you do get is a simplistic, great design and good, generally dependable hardware plus all of the above. That is enough for me.
I have owned a lot of Sonys, Dells, HPs, Gateways, IBMs, over the year the years, not a lot of really bad things to say about them (except perhaps my latest experiences with Vista) but I also can tell you that the experience of owning them was no way near the Mac experience. OS X, iLife, iWork etc made a believer out of me. This is easily worth the dollar premium alone.
So based on that understanding, sure Apple does not need to offer quite the same "deals" as the others do.
What you do get is a simplistic, great design and good, generally dependable hardware plus all of the above. That is enough for me.
why not use XP if you hate Vista?
just curious because this thread has caused me to reconsider, just a little bit, my purchase of a macbook, because of the advantages offered by something like a thinkpad (mainly monetary). but, as you said, there are advantages to both. also, would you go to PC if vista was better? really, what are the biggest factors keeping you on a mac as opposed to a PC, or should i say off a PC and on a mac?
Upgradeable CPU sounds good, but it doesn't quite work that way. By the time that thing starts to feel slow, there will be a new socket that won't be compatible with the current one. Processors that are will be extremely expensive because of their age.
Good point because the next significant upgrade in hardware will be Montevina which is a chipset replacement. So having a CPU ZIFF socket isn't as significant as say 6-12 months ago.
I don't think Apple is nearly as greedy as you would make them out to be. Sure, their margins tend to be higher than other computer manufacturers, around 30% they usually state in their financials. But if you think they can manufacture the $2500 MacBook Pro, sell it for $1200 and still make any profit, I think you're wrong. A 30% margin means it costs them about $1923 to manufacture that MBP they sell for $2500. And that $1200 Thinkpad is not the SAME computer.
And I've said it before, so I'll just link to my previous post again: https://forums.macrumors.com/posts/4542947/
The world is NOT perfect, and neither am I, However if you can NOT find a happy medium between the Apple Hardware and software, than thats the choice you have to make.
Over 20 years on Mainframes and PC's with dual floppy's and up from there. The Apple world is a very very good world to be in .
personally i can understand where that guy is coming from. new ms computer look very appealing and are very affordable comparing it to apple products but when it comes down to it after using it for some time some very weird **** happends. i dont kno about anyone else but for a machine that ive owned for lesss then a year my hp gets random errors that make no sense. i also have a sony desktop that turn on by BY ITS SELF i had to unplug it to stop it from turning on. also too much crap goes on behind the scenes with Ms operating software too much crap that can happen randomly and tons of heaaches. i have to admit osx is built from allot of brainstorming rather then trying to make a dollar. microsoft is already getting there new os ready wth.
i cant wait to get my macbook pro with all the simple common sense things that someone like me would need.
i cant wait to get my macbook pro with all the simple common sense things that someone like me would need.
First of all get the upgrading of the CPU nonsense out of your head by the time the next CPU's are out that are more than 100MHz difference will not work with the chipset due to thermal voltage and FSB changes.
Apple trackpads have unlimited buttons now just only one physical button for thoughts whom prefer it personally i would rather the button is removed completely.
The spec of your laptop is pretty good for the price though i wonder why so many redundant features like modem ports and PCMCIA. Dose it also have Serial and PS 2
.Also its a 14 inch brick that is ugly as sin and will give you back problems carrying it around but not before the keys on the keyboard flip of with there tiny clips snapped.
If your sticking with Windows XP, good for you but you know you will be using Vista pretty soon after all it is your upgrade path and new versions of msn and what not will be Vista only.
The spec of your laptop is pretty good for the price though i wonder why so many redundant features like modem ports and PCMCIA. Dose it also have Serial and PS 2
Because ThinkPads are business class laptops just like Dell's Latitudes or HP business line. Businesses don't upgrade all their hardware all at once sometimes because depending on the size of your business it can be incredibly expensive and they may not even need the upgrade at the current time. I also prefer to have a PCMCIA slot myself because I have to have an aircard for internet and the Express cards from AT&T are nothing to brag about. I prefer Sierra Wireless aircards and their only two options is the PCMCIA version or the USB one. I have the Sierra Wireless 875 now and it's a very strong and reliable performer.[/QUOTE]
wait wait wait...
Apple is greedy and Microsoft is...?
I'll wait...
Thinkpads are so much cheaper because they sell so many units and quality control sucks...
Apple is greedy and Microsoft is...?
I'll wait...
Thinkpads are so much cheaper because they sell so many units and quality control sucks...
amen to that. your link said it best, the comparison between a mac and a pc cannot be expressed purely in numbers, the overall user experience must be included when comparing these machines (focus on qualitative as well as quantitative)
X300 screen sucks too... the resolution is tiny and something about the LED backlight gives me a major headache and eye fatigue after only a few minutes of use regardless of the brightness. I returned my thinkpad x300 the day it came. Sure you can open two webpages side by side more easily on an x300 than a macbook at the same screen size but I can't read those webpages on the x300 since my eyes feel like they've been gouged out.
I wish they had serial ports. That'd make connecting to cisco devices sooo much easier than having to carry a USB > serial dongle around too
I'm baffled!
Why must someone buy a laptop or computer and start a thread on a "MAC" site that their laptop is awesome and that Apple sucks, specs suck, blah blah...why don't you post your pointless thread in a Thinkpad forum where they would appreciate your rave reviews??? I don't need to read that you love your ugly laptop on a site that is suppose to provide rumors for Mac products, how is this thread a rumor?? MacGod do secretely find pleasure in allowing these threads to be posted???
All I can say is that I used PC's all my life till I got my IMAC, since then I have spent most of my days on a computer, it has revolutionized how I do everything now...I thought that was the point of technology!!! I have never met someone who bought an Apple product and does not use it religiously or has not bought more Apple products because of it...but I know countless people who buy a PC and use it a couple of months, and then never touch it again...eventually the PC just because a decoration for the home nothing else!!!
You shouldn't care how people spend there money or why Apple makes so much of it....I repeat those that cry can't afford to buy!!! ENOUGH SAID
Why must someone buy a laptop or computer and start a thread on a "MAC" site that their laptop is awesome and that Apple sucks, specs suck, blah blah...why don't you post your pointless thread in a Thinkpad forum where they would appreciate your rave reviews??? I don't need to read that you love your ugly laptop on a site that is suppose to provide rumors for Mac products, how is this thread a rumor?? MacGod do secretely find pleasure in allowing these threads to be posted???
All I can say is that I used PC's all my life till I got my IMAC, since then I have spent most of my days on a computer, it has revolutionized how I do everything now...I thought that was the point of technology!!! I have never met someone who bought an Apple product and does not use it religiously or has not bought more Apple products because of it...but I know countless people who buy a PC and use it a couple of months, and then never touch it again...eventually the PC just because a decoration for the home nothing else!!!
You shouldn't care how people spend there money or why Apple makes so much of it....I repeat those that cry can't afford to buy!!! ENOUGH SAID
Nice laptop, but hardly blows away the $1219 AR new Macbook from Amazon.
You get a few more features (no slot-loading disc drive probably tho,) but you have to use Windows. Ask Bill Gates. It's all about the software.
You get a better resale value on Macbooks anyway so paying a bit more doesn't kill ya.
You get a few more features (no slot-loading disc drive probably tho,) but you have to use Windows. Ask Bill Gates. It's all about the software.
You get a better resale value on Macbooks anyway so paying a bit more doesn't kill ya.
Agreed, it's not just the hardware, it's also about the software and the level of integration. Sure, you can get a ThinkPad for less than a MacBook Pro, but I can damn well guarantee that the level of integration between the hardware and the software is anywhere near as close as Mac OS X and an Apple built machine. The left hand talks to the right hand a lot more in the Apple world of computing it would seem.
This is false. I use:
10.5.2 on my MBP (2gb RAM)
10.4.11 on my PMG5 (3gb RAM)
10.3.9 on my PBG4 (512mb RAM)
Obviously, on my PB OS X slows down in some situations, but it doesn't slow down at all on the MBP, even with 512mb alotted to Win XP in Parallels.
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