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Why is apple sooo greedy?

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macenforcer said:
Finally said screw it and got a thinkpad T61 14" laptop. WOW. Here is what I got.
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You could have gotten a Linux machine for even less if you're just worried about cost. So, you were willing to pay more for Windows, I was willing to pay more for a Mac. Linux is the Hyundai, Windows the Focus, and Mac OS X the Lexus. You get what you pay for! :D I would happily shell out more cash for a computer that I can actually enjoy using.
 
notsofatjames said:
ok.. thanks for that. The reason apple products are expensive to what people compare them too, is becuase theyre difficult to compare. No other hardware comes with OSX, and since you cant buy it, its only worth what you think its worth. I think OSX is worth the cost difference, and you do not.



My macbook has 1GB of RAM, and can quite easily run OSX and Windows with no applications open properly. In fact, I can run applications in both, at the same time (Parallels) without issue. I do agree that OSX uses more RAM than XP, however i fear your exagerating a small part. OS X can run comfortable on 512MB, and I use XP on a really old PC with a 400MHZ processor and 184MB RAM. My iPhone has more power than that!
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What the OP fails to understand is that Pee Cee's have become commodities. This means that they are basically one set of MASS GOODS.

Apple computers are a specialty item. I for one am glad they they exist as a hardware and software company. Thier computers are a more complex version of the XBox 360/PS3/Wii Model, meaning all software is designed and works well on the SAME set of harware.

There are definatly compromises with Apple hardware but you deal with that because the Os is great. Im also here to tell you that that Thinkpad , performace wise would be negligible to the midlevel MB.

Have fun with the software side of Pee Cee...
 
Can i ask the rest of the thread denizens a question?

Why are we bothering? If he wants to use windows, let him. Why are we even bothering to respond to this obvious troll of a thread. (Of course, I'm guilty too...)


Did I pay $1000 more for OSX? Not really. But even if I did, it's worth every penny.
 
macenforcer said:
I won't. OS X is the best but I want a solid laptop that does what I need to do and you know, XP does that. NOT using VISTA, NEVER WILL. XP can handle it. Just wish it saw more than 3gb of ram but with XP you don't need more than 3gb. Its funny like that. OS X can handle all ram but needs 3gb to run properly. XP uses 500mb with no apps open. But thats running webserver and stuff.
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I agree with this one, except the lie that OS X needs 3GBs of RAM to run.

I wish Apple made better more robust hardware.... and for most graphics and media professionals or anyone that needs simplicity OS X is the way. XP works but it's a headache to use with pro media apps. As for Apple hardware, YUCK. I could care less about the keyboard, and SD slots since I don't weigh them that heavily.... but I would love to have a MBP with a second HDD.

PC wins on the hardware side, Apple wins with the software.

Enough said.
 
Don't you all hate the fact that you only have ONE choice in a laptop computer? I mean steve is like here you go this is all you are getting, cost us $400 to make but still going to charge $2500 hahaha. meanwhile Lenovo and thousands of other companies are staying competitive and giving all kids of options, better hardware and massive discounts. Sorry, tired of having steves foot up my butt. He can keep his 5yr old notebook. He won't be getting a single dollar from me until he can make an acceptible laptop.

The macbook has become a disgusting old piece of junk. Its designed for older processors hence the fans never shutting off. Time for a new design. Hell, bring back the pismo, make it widescreen and thinner and I will buy. No way am I buying what they sell now.
 
You don't even get install discs on factory PC's anymore, so I don't see what your point is. Its called saving money, companies do it regardless of who they are.
 
macenforcer said:
Don't you all hate the fact that you only have ONE choice in a laptop computer?
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Not sure I understand your point.

I have the option of purchasing a MB, MBA or MBP from Apple. And each model has different configurations available.

On a side note, my PB15 compared to my MBP15, while looking similar, have very different cases and the insides are completely different.
 
Well, if you're complaining about a 5 year old case design the T61's pretty much the same case as my 560, from about 1999 :confused:
 
macenforcer said:
So apple computers have really become a rippoff
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Greedy? Definitely.

But you have to remember, when it comes to marketing and business, price is not a function of the cost to produce and sell something. Price is a function of value, and people's perception of that value.

Some may value what you get on a PC, ThinkPad, etc. more than a MacBook Pro. To them, yes, Apple is unreasonably expensive and not worth the money. But there are millions of others who feel the value you get from Apple is worth the extra price.

My MBP cost me $2,500 before discounts in February last year. I bought it to replace my IBM ThinkPad T41 which had failed to power up any more after a few years. I could have purchased the $1,900 replacement, "comparably" equipped (to the extent that's possible) Lenovo ThinkPad, but I got two computers in one, better quality, stability, etc. on my MBP. And with my military and student discounts combined, it brought my price down to about $2,000.

Too expensive? MUCH more than I would have LIKED to have spent. But I surely did buy it and don't regret it. Worth every dime....to me.


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Well, I've been a Mac person for long, lone time: Apple Quadra, GSII, Performa, G3, G5, G5 - blah, blah, blah.

I was at a Best But two weeks ago and saw 17" Sony Vaios on sale for $959 - it has Blue Ray and all that jazz. So, I picked one up. It does run Vista, but to be honest, it's not bad at all. I am actually quite used to it and happy. It's never given me a problem (yet).

I was waiting for the MBP 17", but the recent update was too little for me.

I agree with the consensus here though: Apple's have an element, easier to use software. But you do pay for that.
 
macenforcer said:
Don't you all hate the fact that you only have ONE choice in a laptop computer? I mean steve is like here you go this is all you are getting, cost us $400 to make but still going to charge $2500 hahaha. meanwhile Lenovo and thousands of other companies are staying competitive and giving all kids of options, better hardware and massive discounts. Sorry, tired of having steves foot up my butt. He can keep his 5yr old notebook. He won't be getting a single dollar from me until he can make an acceptible laptop.

The macbook has become a disgusting old piece of junk. Its designed for older processors hence the fans never shutting off. Time for a new design. Hell, bring back the pismo, make it widescreen and thinner and I will buy. No way am I buying what they sell now.
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We have tons of choices. Sony, Apple, HP, Dell, etc, etc... I chose the one that best serves my needs/wants/budget. I don't understand why you even care? Are you trying to convert us all to PC? Do you think your little switch to a thinkpad means anything to anybody?

I'm extremely happy with my MBP purchase last month. I hope you're as happy with your thinkpad purchase. May you use it in health. That being said... why are you still here?
 
macenforcer said:
Don't you all hate the fact that you only have ONE choice in a laptop computer? I mean steve is like here you go this is all you are getting, cost us $400 to make but still going to charge $2500 hahaha. meanwhile Lenovo and thousands of other companies are staying competitive and giving all kids of options, better hardware and massive discounts. Sorry, tired of having steves foot up my butt. He can keep his 5yr old notebook. He won't be getting a single dollar from me until he can make an acceptible laptop.

The macbook has become a disgusting old piece of junk. Its designed for older processors hence the fans never shutting off. Time for a new design. Hell, bring back the pismo, make it widescreen and thinner and I will buy. No way am I buying what they sell now.
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you'll be tried for TREASON!:D
you should change your name to TAFKAM
(the artist formerly known as macenforcer)
 
I've owned several different PC laptops in just the last couple of years and a couple of them were ThinkPads. I had an x61s and a T60 widescreen. I also recently bought a 14.1" T61 but I sent it back to Lenovo for a refund since I went ahead and bought a 15.4" MBP. To me build quality and the quality of the keyboard, trackpad, and LCD are the most important things to me in purchasing any laptop. ThinkPads have real good build quality and keyboards but I can't stand the LCD's and now also the older design look. For portability I definitely like my Lenovo 12.1" x61s but i didn't like how hot it got or the small standard aspect screen. I like the MacBook Pro's current design real well. I wouldn't want them to make any drastic changes unless it were to just make it a little thinner or something. If they switched from aluminum chassis to like carbon fiber chassis so that it was like a Sony VAIO I probably wouldn't even buy another MBP. The aluminum is just one of those things that I really like about it that caused me to buy it. I definitely didn't buy it just to get OS X. OS X is nice and it's lean and fast but I can deal with Windows just fine. I bought my MBP for the looks and the hardware (backlit keyboard, LED-backlit display, DVI out, FireWire 800, 8600M GT 256MB, ect.).
 
its funny to see all the mac users trying to justify their purchases, instead of trying to understand the point the OP is trying to make.

pc = better hardware
mac = better software (in the opinion of many)

its as simple as that...

In the very rare event that OS X gets ported to pc's, i would sell me macbook in a heartbeat. no question about it.
 
gothamm said:
its funny to see all the mac users trying to justify their purchases, instead of trying to understand the point the OP is trying to make.

pc = better hardware
mac = better software (in the opinion of many)

its as simple as that...

In the very rare event that OS X gets ported to pc's, i would sell me macbook in a heartbeat. no question about it.
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If that were true I wouldn't of bought a MacBook Pro. I didn't buy it for the software, I bought it for the build quality and the hardware. I've owned a number of different PC laptops and the aluminum casing, keyboard, LED display are certainly a step up from the other laptops I've owned. Whatever software benefits there are are just an added bonus. If Apple trashes their design and build quality in an upcoming redesign then I won't buy another MBP. It's also been stated that Apple uses higher quality components in the innards of the laptop so that may be a reason as to why they last longer running 24/7 than a lot of PC laptops would.
 
I agree it is not a great idea to put a thread about thinkpad in macbook pro forum, but for a new person considering mac it is a valid question on the price.

I thought 1st generation macbook pros were priced very comptetively. At that time windows with high end cpu would cost 2K. Since then component prices have come down but Macbook pro prices have remained the same.

I wanted to get a macbook pro but a thinkpad R61 with 3GB/250GB HDD/Vista Ultimate/3yrs warranty plus ADP for $1200 was too good to miss. Thinkpad build quality is also awesome.keyboard is the best.Fingerprint reader is also very neat. Screen is just too good. Though the computer at 5.4pounds for a 14.1"WXGA+ is bit on the high side. But thinkpad operate significantly cooler. I dont even need a cooler. Macbook pro bcos of aluminium gets too hot at times.
 
gothamm said:
its funny to see all the mac users trying to justify their purchases, instead of trying to understand the point the OP is trying to make.

pc = better hardware
mac = better software (in the opinion of many)

its as simple as that...

In the very rare event that OS X gets ported to pc's, i would sell me macbook in a heartbeat. no question about it.
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Thank you for understanding what I was trying to convey. My whole point is why does apple have to charge us so much for inferior hardware? Its insulting.
 
You still don't have a decent graphics card or screen, really having a swappable processor isn't a huge issue and to be honest, while it's certainly easier to swap drives on a thinkpad (probably a good thing with the # of hitachi drives I've had fail in them) cracking the case on either isn't exactly all that difficult. Or perhaps working on mainframe equipment has tainted my perception of ease of repair. Having pretty much all the equipment being argued about in this thread you'd think I might have an understanding of the differences. ;)

The difference is you can get more levels of laptop in PC's. Some are actually more expensive than apples are. Imagine that, including high end Thinkpads.

Oh also, I seem to recall that Thinkpads have been on sale the past few weeks. Or at least, thats what I recall the email I got mentioning
 
huh??

gothamm said:
its funny to see all the mac users trying to justify their purchases, instead of trying to understand the point the OP is trying to make.

pc = better hardware
mac = better software (in the opinion of many)

its as simple as that...

In the very rare event that OS X gets ported to pc's, i would sell me macbook in a heartbeat. no question about it.
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I don't get that...how is PC better hardware? I've never had an issue with my Apple Hardware...they are beautifully made machines...please explain what you mean by pc=better hardware:cool:
 
macenforcer said:
I mean steve is like here you go this is all you are getting, cost us $400 to make but still going to charge $2500 hahaha.
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Hey, I own AAPL, so it's okay with me! :p Regardless, I'm sure Lenovo is taking a large wad of your cash to the bank too. Are you under the impression they are less concerned about profit than Apple?? I think if you look hard enough you're sure to find where they are cutting corners, then you'll be back in Steve's arms, wallet open. ;) After 25 years of PC use, I can confidently say that Apple makes the better overall product by far.
 
macenforcer said:
Thank you for understanding what I was trying to convey. My whole point is why does apple have to charge us so much for inferior hardware? Its insulting.
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What exactly do you hope to accomplish? You voted with your purse and bought a thinkpad. That's about all you can do. Good for you. Meanwhile, millions others think the operating system is worth the premium. And millions don't. In the end, Apple is making a lot of money. So what?

Does a Timex work telling time? Sure. But some people prefer a nicer watch. Do you routinely moan about rolex/tag/omega/whatever because they charge more? You could argue that all watches are made from the same components too. Why does one charge more than the other? Because they can. If there's a market for it, then someone will make it.

Do I bitch about rolexes because they charge more for a brand premium? No. I just don't buy one. It's not worth it to me to spend $10k to tell time. What you fail to understand is that some people don't really care if the components inside the mbp are dated or if the case hasn't been redesigned in 5 years. What those who end up buying mbps care about is the COMPLETE PACKAGE. If that package is not for you, that's cool. I'm sure Steve Jobs doesn't hold a grudge against you for buying a Thinkpad.

Do people who buy toyotas go on Lexus forums complaining about why Lexus charges so much? Do you just think you're smarter because you got a better deal with components? I really don't get your motivation here.
 
Zeos said:
Hey, I own AAPL, so it's okay with me! :p Regardless, I'm sure Lenovo is taking a large wad of your cash to the bank too. Are you under the impression they are less concerned about profit than Apple?? I think if you look hard enough you're sure to find where they are cutting corners, then you'll be back in Steve's arms, wallet open. ;) After 25 years of PC use, I can confidently say that Apple makes the better overall product by far.
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I think he's under the impression that Lenovo is an non-profit. Wait until he finds out they have shareholders too. I hear there's a company making $100 wind up PCs for children in Africa. Now THAT's a bargain. Rumored Quad Core Penryn in those puppies. :D
 
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