That would make sense.
Probably a good observation.I don't see any Porsches or Ferraris in your future.
Then again, these types of cars are not for everyone.
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Why is apple sooo greedy?
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Then again, these types of cars are not for everyone.
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I don't get that...how is PC better hardware? I've never had an issue with my Apple Hardware...they are beautifully made machines...please explain what you mean by pc=better hardware
PC hardware is cheaper, with more options. Macs on the other hand...not so much. $500 for a .2 ghz bump and 40 more GB's. upgrade to 4 gigs of ram for $600. oh, sorry...the notebook is "prettier" and its made of "anodized aluminum" whooaaaa
I am sorry fellow mac users, but I do not have my self-esteem nor identity tied up in the type of notebook I use.
PC hardware is cheaper, with more options. Macs on the other hand...not so much. $500 for a .2 ghz bump and 40 more GB's. upgrade to 4 gigs of ram for $600. oh, sorry...the notebook is "prettier" and its made of "anodized aluminum" whooaaaa
I am sorry fellow mac users, but I do not have my self-esteem nor identity tied up in the type of notebook I use.
apparently is it. thou doth protest too much.
If you care so little, why are you on a forum discussing it?
ehhh.. i'm bored of this thread. it never ends and this "debate" is ridiculous. I don't get why people have to come on here ragging on apple hardware. What is the point.
First of all get the upgrading of the CPU nonsense out of your head by the time the next CPU's are out that are more than 100MHz difference will not work with the chipset due to thermal voltage and FSB changes.
Apple trackpads have unlimited buttons now just only one physical button for thoughts whom prefer it personally i would rather the button is removed completely.
The spec of your laptop is pretty good for the price though i wonder why so many redundant features like modem ports and PCMCIA. Dose it also have Serial and PS 2
Also its a 14 inch brick that is ugly as sin and will give you back problems carrying it around but not before the keys on the keyboard flip of with there tiny clips snapped.
If your sticking with Windows XP, good for you but you know you will be using Vista pretty soon after all it is your upgrade path and new versions of msn and what not will be Vista only.
I couldnt have said it better. I havent really payed attention to TP's. But just looking at the pic it made me laugh. Honestly...a 14.1" screen with NO LED??? First off its a 14.1" screen....I had that on my 14" iBook from 2005. I am pretty sure it wasnt widescreen.
Up to 1.26" thick? That is a brick. On top of that it just looks ugly as hell. The keyboard looks straight outta my Dad's Bloomburg Workstation keyboard...honestly!!
Tray loading drive?? WTF??
Could the fan grills be any bigger??? Just wondering because from the sides it looks ugly as hell.
No Wireless N?
CPU Upgrade is just stupid...honestly upgrading the CPU in the next year will be a total joke.
I just hope he has fun using XP on his Thinkpad. I'm sure he'll spend many hours just installing XP and downloading updates and drivers and anti-spyware and anti-virus programs and then going through msconfig etc. Sounds like fun. I'm sure it will be worth saving a few bucks. I'm sure the resale value will be better too.
nobody here is "ragging" on apple hardware. Its just your self-induced paranoia. If you were comfortable with your mb/mbp, then you'd let it be.
What I AM saying is this: apple computers are grossly overpriced. I understand that they are appealing to a certain niche, but maybe...just maybe that certain niche needs to re-consider what their machines are truly worth.
PC hardware is cheaper, with more options. Macs on the other hand...not so much. $500 for a .2 ghz bump and 40 more GB's. upgrade to 4 gigs of ram for $600. oh, sorry...the notebook is "prettier" and its made of "anodized aluminum" whooaaaa
I am sorry fellow mac users, but I do not have my self-esteem nor identity tied up in the type of notebook I use.
Good post. Sooooo true.
nobody here is "ragging" on apple hardware. Its just your self-induced paranoia. If you were comfortable with your mb/mbp, then you'd let it be.
What I AM saying is this: apple computers are grossly overpriced. I understand that they are appealing to a certain niche, but maybe...just maybe that certain niche needs to re-consider what their machines are truly worth.
sure... maybe you are right.
but it doesnt matter because people are willing to pay for apple products
Ya thats great except for the part where you have to run the lousiest operating system, WINDOWS! AHHHHH!!!!!!
And besides, for $1200 you could get a student discount or refurb Macbook with close to the same specs. Another thing, you pay a premium because Apple puts good hardware in there. Congrats, but I'll take an overpriced mac over a cheap PC with less specs any day because the simple fact is that it just runs better on a mac. Are macs perfect? no. Are they overpriced? Yes. Are they overpriced enough to jump ship to the PC dingy? no.
PLUS, they hold their value, run longer, etc. I've had my ibook G4 for 4 years and it still runs fast. So, I'd say stick with mac.
Doesnt the thinkpad have the same design as well all these years, except now that Lenovo just uses cheaper materials instead of IBM did? I know its true that the t series material is different, if you compare older t series before lenovo and today's thinkpad quality is not as good.
I put a hitachi travelstar 7k200 in my mbp and only took 10 minutes and dont ever have to go back in there again! =D
Why would you ever need to?? And if your answer is bluray, forget about it~ One word "external."
2 finger click works better
My fans only come on when its doing heavy intensive work and the fan's rpm idles on average at 2000rpm and dont hear it most of the time.
Thats the part that bothers me, alot of people gets frustrated if they can kinda hear their gentle whisper of the fans, but to me that's a good sign that the fan is working fine. As for replacing the cpu later on, dont you have integrated graphics chip that's soldered to the board and the newer montevina/nehalem would be totally different board with newer soldered on gpu? Might as well just sell (apple has best resale value) and just buy the next best thing years later.
I have a feeling you'll be aching to run OSX after a little while.
But in the end these are my opinions and you've chosen yours (for now) and all I can say is congrats and enjoy. I used to be a thinkpad lover as well.
nobody here is "ragging" on apple hardware. Its just your self-induced paranoia. If you were comfortable with your mb/mbp, then you'd let it be.
What I AM saying is this: apple computers are grossly overpriced. I understand that they are appealing to a certain niche, but maybe...just maybe that certain niche needs to re-consider what their machines are truly worth.
But that's not really what the thread was stated to be about. The thread stated that Apple are greedy.
The answer to that is that all businesses are as greedy as the market will allow them to be. Any CEO who didn't do all they can to increase profit margins would be out the door quick smart.
Whether a product is overpriced or not is up to the individual consumer. Do I think some Apple products are overpriced? Yes, because they're too expensive for what I need. However, other products are just right for what I need/want so I pay the alotted price for that (or buy second hand/refurbished/eBay etc.)
The overall thread just seems like needless whining. If you consider Apple products overpriced and are not willing to pay... have a nice day. However it's hardly something the rest of the world needs to know about.
i agree. and i also agree with is that there is a need for a redesign. i think prices could come down some, especially in areas like charging for the apple remote. i think both problems will be solved in the next revision. there have been many instances when apple has released a new product and made the new product better and cheaper than the previous generation.
so, as of now, there is some validity to the statement that pcs are a better option than mac for some. however, apple is innovative, the next revision should be a game changer. thats what apples known for. they are constantly pushing the envelope in software and design (put a thinkpad and a mbp side by side and tell me which one looks sexier, i dont care how old the design is). think about the incorporation of touch technology. apple is ahead of the curve and this x-factor is what sells some people on apple.
you can complain that pcs have better graphics cards at a cheaper price and more options but when it boils down to it, how many people actually need all the options offered by lenovo for example? notebooks are consumer products, and while there are always going to be more demanding customers, a company will always seek to satisfy the majority.
as for prices quoted on this, lenovo is having a 25% off sale right now, so keep that in mind.
Not trying to feed the flames but I'd take a Thinkpad any day as long as it didn't run Windows. Macs are wonderful on the software side. I think they put so much thought into the design and making it pretty they they forget about quality control.
My Mac Pro...that's a different story. Best desktop I've ever used.
My Mac Pro...that's a different story. Best desktop I've ever used.
I thought I would chime in and give my two cents. Over the years I have owned several thinkpad models starting with the T43. Then I received a T60 as a replacement for the T43. Both of the thinkpad models are built like brick **** houses, no doubt. However, they did have their issues (fan noise, standby etc.)
Best keyboard on a laptop I have used, sturdy, reliable machines. I ended up with an Asus W3J as my last windows box.
Having recently purchased a MBP, I can say that it has been a good experience. The computer seems to be built well and the software including the OS is great. Now having said that, yes you could buy a comparatively spec'ed pc for less, or even a more powerful pc for the same amount. However, I think it all comes down to what you do and what you need. My job is to teach other teachers how to use technology so that includes PCs and MACs. I needed a machine to cover both camps so I purchased a MBP. If your needs are different, decide on what you need to run, built quality, etc. and pick your machine.
You could argue all day which machine is better, but in the end it comes down to perception and what best fits YOU. I would rather have a Toyota over a BMW or Lexus but thats me. Many would disagree. Its personal taste and your needs that should dictate what kind of machine you purchase.
Best keyboard on a laptop I have used, sturdy, reliable machines. I ended up with an Asus W3J as my last windows box.
Having recently purchased a MBP, I can say that it has been a good experience. The computer seems to be built well and the software including the OS is great. Now having said that, yes you could buy a comparatively spec'ed pc for less, or even a more powerful pc for the same amount. However, I think it all comes down to what you do and what you need. My job is to teach other teachers how to use technology so that includes PCs and MACs. I needed a machine to cover both camps so I purchased a MBP. If your needs are different, decide on what you need to run, built quality, etc. and pick your machine.
You could argue all day which machine is better, but in the end it comes down to perception and what best fits YOU. I would rather have a Toyota over a BMW or Lexus but thats me. Many would disagree. Its personal taste and your needs that should dictate what kind of machine you purchase.
nobody here is "ragging" on apple hardware. Its just your self-induced paranoia. If you were comfortable with your mb/mbp, then you'd let it be.
What I AM saying is this: apple computers are grossly overpriced. I understand that they are appealing to a certain niche, but maybe...just maybe that certain niche needs to re-consider what their machines are truly worth.
What a product is worth, and the cost to produce it are completely unrelated. A product is worth what people are willing to pay. Economics 101.
That's all it is in the end.
My friend rejected my thoughts on getting a Mac...now he has a HP notebook.
Wise decision? Let him find out.
I got a Mac cuz I wanted one...not because of the Cult or Steve Jobs awesomeness or any of that ********t.
I dealt with Windows for 5 years...yes 5 years and it got worse every year. I hated the concept of building a PC from scratch and all the technical crap that came along with it.
That's all I have to say on this. I'd get into a whole story on how I slowly gradually got to the Mac but nobody would care...
Why is Apple so greedy title is hilarious. But this isn't true. If they were "sooo" greedy, as the OP claims, then they would have gone belly up years ago, due to overcharging for their products, causing customers not to buy them. Now, lets focus on reality, and recognize the fact that Apple's prices must be reasonable enough, as they continue to sell. This is, in a nutshell, how you determine what is too much, and what is not. Not by what you personally can or cannot afford. They aren't pricing their items according to your personal budget.
Several people have agreed that a big selling point for Apple is OSX. How is it that the allegedly "soooo greedy" company charges significantly less money for their OS than Microsoft? Have you seen the cost of Vista? It's roughly double, unless you purchase the stripped down OEM version. Does this make Microsoft "sooo greedy"? Or is it merely another company that charges as much as people are willing to pay?
Basically, it seems to me that you need to slam products that you can't afford, just to feel better about your more affordable purchase. Frankly, your efforts do not reflect poorly on the company you target, they reflect poorly on you. People have choices and preferences. They tend to vary, but this doesn't make one right and the other wrong. It just means the majority are likely to experience something they prefer, rather than be forced to deal with something they do not. This is a good thing, and certainly not something to get snarky over. If you like something, buy it. If you don't like it, don't buy it. It's that simple. Nobody is paying any of us to endorse competing products. Enjoy your choice.
Several people have agreed that a big selling point for Apple is OSX. How is it that the allegedly "soooo greedy" company charges significantly less money for their OS than Microsoft? Have you seen the cost of Vista? It's roughly double, unless you purchase the stripped down OEM version. Does this make Microsoft "sooo greedy"? Or is it merely another company that charges as much as people are willing to pay?
Basically, it seems to me that you need to slam products that you can't afford, just to feel better about your more affordable purchase. Frankly, your efforts do not reflect poorly on the company you target, they reflect poorly on you. People have choices and preferences. They tend to vary, but this doesn't make one right and the other wrong. It just means the majority are likely to experience something they prefer, rather than be forced to deal with something they do not. This is a good thing, and certainly not something to get snarky over. If you like something, buy it. If you don't like it, don't buy it. It's that simple. Nobody is paying any of us to endorse competing products. Enjoy your choice.
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