Colors on that LG are pretty inaccurate according to that video. Also, verdict isn't out on the camera.
Why doesn't LG use OLED displays? They have a monopoly on them in the states. Makes no sense.
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Why is the Galaxy S7's camera MUCH better than the 7 Plus ?????
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Why doesn't LG use OLED displays? They have a monopoly on them in the states. Makes no sense.
http://geeksframework.com/what-is-an-isocell-camera/
The ISOCELL camera sensor is a new innovative technology in the mobile phone industry. I first noticed the term when I was going through the specifications of OnePlus X. I did a small research and found out that the ISOCELL sensor has higher image quality than the other sensors used in smartphones and tablets. The technology is a brainchild of the Samsung Company and is set to revolutionize the phone industry. ISOCELL uses a technology that is unique from other past camera sensors. ISOCELL camera has integrated barriers between the individual pixels.
The ISOCELL camera being a relatively new term in the market, one would wonder how it works, and its benefits over the backside-illuminated (BSI) sensors. Picture quality is usually affected by the amount of light a camera can capture in each of its pixel. With the ISOCELL camera’s barriers, it is possible to reduce crosstalk between them by 30 percent hence reducing noise in low-light conditions. The cells also improve on the back side illumination, each pixel is said to have a light increasing capacity of 30 percent enhancing dynamic range of light.
The conventional BSI sensors on the contrary have photons and photoelectrons between pixels that leak light which often reduces image sharpness and color accuracy. According to sources from Samsung, ISOCELL sensors are slimmer than the BSI sensors making them suitable for slim superphones. This is the trend nowadays, as smartphone manufacturers tend to prefer thin and smaller pixels on sensors to increase resolution.
The ISOCELL camera technology truly has many advantages. As we have seen by just isolating each pixel with a barrier, the correct photons remain directed to the right cells and therefore increasing photo clarity. The BSI sensors on the other hand have high crosstalk leading to lower color fidelity. That is why the ISOCELL camera is attributed to improved sharpness and richness of photos.
Also, with the ISOCELL sensor’s barriers, the photodiode can be increased. This allows for more light from different angles, allowing the lens to be adjusted. It allows reducing the height of the camera module, which is suitable for slim mobile devices.
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https://www.androidpit.com/samsung-isocell-sensor
http://www.androidauthority.com/isocell-how-it-works-344628/
Samsung announced ISOCELL in 2013. How is any of this surprising? Wait when it keeps improving. Just reaping the fruits (non-Apples, BSI sensors) to their labor.
Again, Samsung wins because they are the ones coming up with new breakthrough technologies, engineering, and manufacturing it themselves. Others just stamp their brand on custom designs.
Probably why the iPhone 6 & 7 series is still plagued with an ugly camera hump.
Look up ISOCELL if you don't know what it means. I can already hear iPhone users wishing deep down they had Samsung ISOCELL too. Me, me, me, MINE! Then have the audacity to call Samsung copycats again for offering the same color options as iPhones.
Proving once again that Apple is the inferior original equipment manufacturer than Samsung. Until Apple comes up with more homegrown technologies, they will always be in a disadvantage against Samsung.
The ISOCELL camera sensor is a new innovative technology in the mobile phone industry. I first noticed the term when I was going through the specifications of OnePlus X. I did a small research and found out that the ISOCELL sensor has higher image quality than the other sensors used in smartphones and tablets. The technology is a brainchild of the Samsung Company and is set to revolutionize the phone industry. ISOCELL uses a technology that is unique from other past camera sensors. ISOCELL camera has integrated barriers between the individual pixels.
The ISOCELL camera being a relatively new term in the market, one would wonder how it works, and its benefits over the backside-illuminated (BSI) sensors. Picture quality is usually affected by the amount of light a camera can capture in each of its pixel. With the ISOCELL camera’s barriers, it is possible to reduce crosstalk between them by 30 percent hence reducing noise in low-light conditions. The cells also improve on the back side illumination, each pixel is said to have a light increasing capacity of 30 percent enhancing dynamic range of light.
The conventional BSI sensors on the contrary have photons and photoelectrons between pixels that leak light which often reduces image sharpness and color accuracy. According to sources from Samsung, ISOCELL sensors are slimmer than the BSI sensors making them suitable for slim superphones. This is the trend nowadays, as smartphone manufacturers tend to prefer thin and smaller pixels on sensors to increase resolution.
The ISOCELL camera technology truly has many advantages. As we have seen by just isolating each pixel with a barrier, the correct photons remain directed to the right cells and therefore increasing photo clarity. The BSI sensors on the other hand have high crosstalk leading to lower color fidelity. That is why the ISOCELL camera is attributed to improved sharpness and richness of photos.
Also, with the ISOCELL sensor’s barriers, the photodiode can be increased. This allows for more light from different angles, allowing the lens to be adjusted. It allows reducing the height of the camera module, which is suitable for slim mobile devices.
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https://www.androidpit.com/samsung-isocell-sensor
http://www.androidauthority.com/isocell-how-it-works-344628/
Samsung announced ISOCELL in 2013. How is any of this surprising? Wait when it keeps improving. Just reaping the fruits (non-Apples, BSI sensors) to their labor.
Again, Samsung wins because they are the ones coming up with new breakthrough technologies, engineering, and manufacturing it themselves. Others just stamp their brand on custom designs.
Probably why the iPhone 6 & 7 series is still plagued with an ugly camera hump.
Look up ISOCELL if you don't know what it means. I can already hear iPhone users wishing deep down they had Samsung ISOCELL too. Me, me, me, MINE! Then have the audacity to call Samsung copycats again for offering the same color options as iPhones.
Proving once again that Apple is the inferior original equipment manufacturer than Samsung. Until Apple comes up with more homegrown technologies, they will always be in a disadvantage against Samsung.
http://geeksframework.com/what-is-an-isocell-camera/
The ISOCELL camera sensor is a new innovative technology in the mobile phone industry. I first noticed the term when I was going through the specifications of OnePlus X. I did a small research and found out that the ISOCELL sensor has higher image quality than the other sensors used in smartphones and tablets. The technology is a brainchild of the Samsung Company and is set to revolutionize the phone industry. ISOCELL uses a technology that is unique from other past camera sensors. ISOCELL camera has integrated barriers between the individual pixels.
The ISOCELL camera being a relatively new term in the market, one would wonder how it works, and its benefits over the backside-illuminated (BSI) sensors. Picture quality is usually affected by the amount of light a camera can capture in each of its pixel. With the ISOCELL camera’s barriers, it is possible to reduce crosstalk between them by 30 percent hence reducing noise in low-light conditions. The cells also improve on the back side illumination, each pixel is said to have a light increasing capacity of 30 percent enhancing dynamic range of light.
The conventional BSI sensors on the contrary have photons and photoelectrons between pixels that leak light which often reduces image sharpness and color accuracy. According to sources from Samsung, ISOCELL sensors are slimmer than the BSI sensors making them suitable for slim superphones. This is the trend nowadays, as smartphone manufacturers tend to prefer thin and smaller pixels on sensors to increase resolution.
The ISOCELL camera technology truly has many advantages. As we have seen by just isolating each pixel with a barrier, the correct photons remain directed to the right cells and therefore increasing photo clarity. The BSI sensors on the other hand have high crosstalk leading to lower color fidelity. That is why the ISOCELL camera is attributed to improved sharpness and richness of photos.
Also, with the ISOCELL sensor’s barriers, the photodiode can be increased. This allows for more light from different angles, allowing the lens to be adjusted. It allows reducing the height of the camera module, which is suitable for slim mobile devices.
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https://www.androidpit.com/samsung-isocell-sensor
http://www.androidauthority.com/isocell-how-it-works-344628/
Samsung announced ISOCELL in 2013. How is any of this surprising? Wait when it keeps improving. Just reaping the fruits (non-Apples, BSI sensors) to their labor.
Again, Samsung wins because they are the ones coming up with new breakthrough technologies, engineering, and manufacturing it themselves. Others just stamp their brand on custom designs.
Probably why the iPhone 6 & 7 series is still plagued with an ugly camera hump.
Look up ISOCELL if you don't know what it means. I can already hear iPhone users wishing deep down they had Samsung ISOCELL too. Me, me, me, MINE! Then have the audacity to call Samsung copycats again for offering the same color options as iPhones.
Proving once again that Apple is the inferior original equipment manufacturer than Samsung. Until Apple comes up with more homegrown technologies, they will always be in a disadvantage against Samsung.
This is all well and good and the horribly photoshopped "comparison" looks impressive but, meanwhile, back in the real world, Samsung shipped both in S6' and the difference is rarely dramatic.
http://www.sammobile.com/2015/05/05...-camera-sensors-on-the-galaxy-s6-and-s6-edge/
edit: actually, seems they shipped both on S7's as well and it's a total wash
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_s7_camera_sensors_compared_sony_vs_samsung-news-17183.php
7 paragraphs of waxing lyrical over basically nothing. Not to mention the old "parts lottery" when you buy these.
OLED has it's inherited problems (Saturation, burn in, uses more power, not good in the sun) and LG is more for quality than over saturated colors that OLED produces.
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No, the iPhone is thinner and that is why it has the hump. Samsung increased the thinkness on theirs to get rid of the bump but also increase battery life.
Note 7 display is great in the sun and it has very accurate colors as mentioned in the video you posted. IPS displays also have their issues.
Check out what you said in March 26, 2016 about how the S7 blows the others away
" ha ha, sorry but the S7 edge blows the iPhone 6s Plus camera out of the water. I have both. You need to get your eyes checked"
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But you keep complaining about the colors on the Galaxy S7 being over-saturated and unrealistic. So are you saying the colors are off on the iPhone 6s as well?
If not, what else makes the iPhone 7's camera better than the Galaxy S7, because it surely isn't the detail.
Karl thinks this is the best camera on a phone. Seen a few others saying the same or at least on par with S7. Clearly not everybody will agree here.
Sorry but no it doesn't. I own the s7 edge and you can't see the screen that well in the sun like you can on the iPhone with iPS. The note 7 just like with any galaxy and every review you will read shows their colors are not accurate and are over saturated to make it pop more.
Colors are what make pictures look good. iPhone has more realistic colors. Can't argue the facts with every reviewer out there that ignores the saturated colors Samsung does that gives them the pop. I would take a Samsung in the dark over a 6s plus but daylight the 6s plus did great and accurate colors.
How are you going to make that first statement and then follow it up with your second one?
Either way they are both just phone cameras. If you are a professional photographer you aren't using a iPhone or galaxy to take pics, anyway. They are using dslr cameras.
The majority of people that use phone cameras as their main camera are casual users who can't tell the difference. The only ones that can are techies and fanboys that examine every little detail instead of just having fun with their device.
The majority of people that use phone cameras as their main camera are casual users who can't tell the difference. The only ones that can are techies and fanboys that examine every little detail instead of just having fun with their device.
Your phone must be defective. I have 0 issues reading my display in the sun. I think you might be a little confused when it comes to nits and color accuracy. In that video you posted they mention that the latest Galaxy displays are pretty accurate and also plenty bright for outdoor usage. As you can see below, the Note 7 seems to be brighter than the iPhone 7 Plus which my lady owns. Took this picture yesterday. i7 on the left and Note 7 on the right. Both at max brightness.
That's not an entirely true statement. As a former professional photographer (and I still have all of my equipment), I can tell you that I do not know a single PROFESSIONAL PHOTOGRAPHER that is not intrigued with their smartphone, and that has not taken photos at a professional shoot using their smartphone (be it an iPhone or Android). Furthermore, most professional photographers I know DO KEEP a "mini-portfolio" of their best images to show both customers and fans.
So, to say that we don't use an iPhone or Galaxy to take pictures is completely false. Furthermore, I can tell you that presently (it could change over time with Canon and Nikon)...an smartphone can not only assist a professional photographer, but they can also give PREVIEWS of how images may or may not look...and finally they are GREAT at stimulating the CREATIVE JUICES that professional photographers need sometimes to keep from getting "stagnated".
Your phone must be defective. I have 0 issues reading my display in the sun. I think you might be a little confused when it comes to nits and color accuracy. In that video you posted they mention that the latest Galaxy displays are pretty accurate and also plenty bright for outdoor usage. As you can see below, the Note 7 seems to be brighter than the iPhone 7 Plus which my lady owns. Took this picture yesterday. i7 on the left and Note 7 on the right. Both at max brightness.
Go google amoled and ips in sunlight and you will learn how ips is superior in the sun over oled. It's always been that way. I own both and experience it daily. Iphone is easy to see in the sun period. All your picture shows how the colors are off with the blue sky with the note.
Read this and learn my friend, http://www.displaymate.com/Galaxy_Note7_ShootOut_1.htm
OLED displays are power efficient and the display on the Note 7 is pretty damn accurate according to displaymate. They accurately test every display. Also, if you set the display to auto, it'll reach over 1000 nits which is brighter than the LG V20. The Note 7 even features HDR support.
BTW, the colors were a little off in the pic I posted because I had it set to basic mode and not cinema.
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I didn't read the last couple of pages, but it seems the argument for the iPhone is that it is more natural with less saturated colors, be it the photos or the AMOLED screen of the Samsung. Meanwhile we have Apple increasing the color on the iPhone 7 screen by 25%, and adding "wide color" capture on the camera.
If the next iPhone has more saturated colors than the Samsung, the argument will then be that the Samsung is too washed out. Remember the first Galaxy Note how it was being ridiculed by many Apple diehards? And now we have the plus sized iPhone outselling the small iPhone.
If the next iPhone has more saturated colors than the Samsung, the argument will then be that the Samsung is too washed out. Remember the first Galaxy Note how it was being ridiculed by many Apple diehards? And now we have the plus sized iPhone outselling the small iPhone.
I like his photos, but without direct comparisons, it's more of an opinion.
No, you read, watch and learn. IPS panels are more efficient with power where AMOLED is more power hungry. The Samsung display on the Note 7 could barely touch 500 nits per tests. Not even close to 1000 nits. The LG V20 actually hit 700 nits and it's an IPS display.
IPS vs AMOLED
http://newatlas.com/amoled-vs-ips-display-technology/39196/
LG V20 vs Note 7 display Nits
Thanks for those links! The Android Authority one is the best. The android pit one is just a couple paragraphs quoting a Samsung press release and the Geek Framework article that you've quoted extensively is mostly gibberish-- despite the comment claiming the reader now has "total knowledge" about the sensor now.http://geeksframework.com/what-is-an-isocell-camera/
The ISOCELL camera sensor is a new innovative technology in the mobile phone industry. I first noticed the term when I was going through the specifications of OnePlus X. I did a small research and found out that the ISOCELL sensor has higher image quality than the other sensors used in smartphones and tablets. The technology is a brainchild of the Samsung Company and is set to revolutionize the phone industry. ISOCELL uses a technology that is unique from other past camera sensors. ISOCELL camera has integrated barriers between the individual pixels.
The ISOCELL camera being a relatively new term in the market, one would wonder how it works, and its benefits over the backside-illuminated (BSI) sensors. Picture quality is usually affected by the amount of light a camera can capture in each of its pixel. With the ISOCELL camera’s barriers, it is possible to reduce crosstalk between them by 30 percent hence reducing noise in low-light conditions. The cells also improve on the back side illumination, each pixel is said to have a light increasing capacity of 30 percent enhancing dynamic range of light.
The conventional BSI sensors on the contrary have photons and photoelectrons between pixels that leak light which often reduces image sharpness and color accuracy. According to sources from Samsung, ISOCELL sensors are slimmer than the BSI sensors making them suitable for slim superphones. This is the trend nowadays, as smartphone manufacturers tend to prefer thin and smaller pixels on sensors to increase resolution.
The ISOCELL camera technology truly has many advantages. As we have seen by just isolating each pixel with a barrier, the correct photons remain directed to the right cells and therefore increasing photo clarity. The BSI sensors on the other hand have high crosstalk leading to lower color fidelity. That is why the ISOCELL camera is attributed to improved sharpness and richness of photos.
Also, with the ISOCELL sensor’s barriers, the photodiode can be increased. This allows for more light from different angles, allowing the lens to be adjusted. It allows reducing the height of the camera module, which is suitable for slim mobile devices.
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https://www.androidpit.com/samsung-isocell-sensor
http://www.androidauthority.com/isocell-how-it-works-344628/
Samsung announced ISOCELL in 2013. How is any of this surprising? Wait when it keeps improving. Just reaping the fruits (non-Apples, BSI sensors) to their labor.
Again, Samsung wins because they are the ones coming up with new breakthrough technologies, engineering, and manufacturing it themselves. Others just stamp their brand on custom designs.
Probably why the iPhone 6 & 7 series is still plagued with an ugly camera hump.
Look up ISOCELL if you don't know what it means. I can already hear iPhone users wishing deep down they had Samsung ISOCELL too. Me, me, me, MINE! Then have the audacity to call Samsung copycats again for offering the same color options as iPhones.
Proving once again that Apple is the inferior original equipment manufacturer than Samsung. Until Apple comes up with more homegrown technologies, they will always be in a disadvantage against Samsung.
First point is that there is a false competition being set up here between BSI and ISOCELL. ISOCELL is BSI. They aren't alternatives. "ISOCELL is actually the commercial name of what Samsung calls 3D-Backside Illuminated Pixel with Front-Side Deep-Trench Isolation (F-DTI) and Vertical Transfer Gate (VTG)"
BSI is meant to get the wiring under the active part of the photodiode so that it doesn't shade the pixel. Typically the photodiode is doped into the silicon wafer, and the wiring is built on top of it so all the wires get between the light source and the photodiode. BSI grinds down the back of the wafer until the photodiode is exposed from the backside, and then lights it up from there, leaving the wiring behind it.
As pixels get smaller, the fact that silicon is translucent and these crazy thin cameras force lens designs with very oblique angles of incidence start to become a bigger problem. Light meant for the green pixel can pass through the silicon at an oblique angle into, for example, the red pixel. This hurts color separation. The other problem is that as the photodiodes start to charge up, electrons migrate into adjacent cells leading to bloom.
In addition to BSI, ISOCELL uses deep trench isolation and vertical transfer gates to address the color bleed and bloom. The overall objective was to kill cross talk between pixels. We know how to do that-- create a moat around the pixel and fill it with insulator (deep trench isolation). The problem is that you can have either insulator or pixel, but you can't have both in the same place-- as pixels get smaller it's harder to sacrifice photodiode area to insulator. Samsung's answer was to create a vertical transfer gate to read the pixel data out-- since the gate doesn't have to lay next to the pixel anymore, but can lay below it, the pixel area can be somewhat larger maintaining dynamic range
This cut cross talk between pixels from 19% to 12.5%-- or by about 6.5 percentage points. Steps in the right direction, but incremental improvement, for sure.
All cool stuff, but it is not unique to Samsung-- this paper from ST Micro does a good job of explaining the technique and the reasons behind it.. The 6s also used deep trench isolation. ST Micro also has a patent on vertical transfer gates.
So while the S7 certainly holds its own in lower light, I would give more credit to the larger overall sensor size than I would give to ISOCELL.
This also has nothing to do with the camera bump-- the S7 has a bump too. The S6 had a pretty agressive lump on the back. The S7 bump looks lower profile than the S6 and iPhone 7 mainly because the phone itself is thicker-- it's 7.9mm with something like a 0.8mm bump versus the iPhone 7's 7.1mm thickness plus whatever it's bump is (I can't find a measurement, but it looks like less than 1.6mm to me).
The camera bump is to accommodate a 6 element optically stabilized autofocus lens. Think about that: 6 lens elements, a sensor and housing with room to extend and focus and slide to stabilize all in 7 or 8mm of depth.
It's commendable that Samsung can make a competitive image sensors to use in their phones along with all of the other semiconductor technologies they develop. They are, without a doubt, a top tier technology company. I don't think it necessarily makes for a better phone though, if they're forced to only use Samsung developed technologies. They're smart folks, but they can't be first with all the answers. By sourcing components from 3rd parties, Apple can make the most of everyone's R&D.
The benefit to Samsung, of course, is that they get to keep the profits for the parts, as well as the finished devices, and the profits from the parts they sell to Apple to boot.
Anyway, cool deep dive into the tech, but I don't think it supports your conclusion that Apple is inherently inferior or that the soup-to-nuts model of Samsung has any real advantage in the final product.
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No, you're misunderstanding how color is measured.
Images are stored with color information. Accurate color means making what you see on the display match what the file says. The Samsung super-saturated display means that they take a color and make it about 30% more colorful than the file says it should be. The new iPhone display supports rendering of files that express a broader range of colors, and renders them true to the file data.