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Why is website design so awful today, generally?
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I just thought Usenet died because none of the NNTP readers I've collected over the years can even find a server anywhere and error out; FTP was blocked by Edge/Chrome/Firefox for being 'unsecure', and Gopher/whois gave me one of those error screens outright as if it didn't know what I was talking about.
I can, however, access FTP via an ancient 2010 edition of Firefox, or the last version of Netscape, or SeaMonkey 1.1, but if it requires SSL it doesn't work. Makes it only possible to access a handful of FTP sites.
I can, however, access FTP via an ancient 2010 edition of Firefox, or the last version of Netscape, or SeaMonkey 1.1, but if it requires SSL it doesn't work. Makes it only possible to access a handful of FTP sites.
There are few, I can agree.
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FTP is insecure. Traffic is not encrypted and your username and password fly over the internet in plain text format. FTPS is the replacement protocol.
I hate that I have to buy a new iPad (for a family member) because websites no longer load on the old one.
Websites cannot load on a device that is more powerful that the computer that landed men on the bloody moon!
And it is allowed to be like that, because we have just accepted that "just buy a new device" is a solution to bad "coding".
I blame Javascript.
Websites cannot load on a device that is more powerful that the computer that landed men on the bloody moon!
And it is allowed to be like that, because we have just accepted that "just buy a new device" is a solution to bad "coding".
I blame Javascript.
Turn JavaScript off. I do it all the time. Today I had to download an APK for a volume booster app for my HTC Thunderbolt (the line-in at a speaker I use at work is too quiet) and I just used the ancient browser that came with Sense 3 (from 2011) and it loaded up APK Mirror just fine and without Javascript, it meant no ads, no resource lag or crashes or outright incompatibilities. Worked like a charm! I would bank on it being a bit more secure than having it on as well.
But Safari is being deprecated it seems. On my MBP (with Monterey) it won't load YouTube (just a lot of blank squares where content should be) or Reddit (it loads, but is all corrupted looking/text formatting failures all over the place) and the boss's daughter's laptop at work (running High Sierra) won't load Amazon.com. Works perfectly fine on Chrome, though. Makes me wonder why. Try installing the 'last compatible version' of Chrome/Firefox if your iPad is that old, maybe it will work. Chrome (last supported version) on my Thunderbolt will load some sites that the old built-in browser won't.
Contrast that with the mess that the boss had to deal with on the work PC. She doesn't believe in any browser except Internet Explorer (she's used to it and refuses to listen to reason plus the CCTV IP cameras won't work on anything else) and she just had a huge fit after dealing with Sam's Club's websites' version of Two-Factor Authentication. She had to call the phone number because IE would't load the site correctly.
But Safari is being deprecated it seems. On my MBP (with Monterey) it won't load YouTube (just a lot of blank squares where content should be) or Reddit (it loads, but is all corrupted looking/text formatting failures all over the place) and the boss's daughter's laptop at work (running High Sierra) won't load Amazon.com. Works perfectly fine on Chrome, though. Makes me wonder why. Try installing the 'last compatible version' of Chrome/Firefox if your iPad is that old, maybe it will work. Chrome (last supported version) on my Thunderbolt will load some sites that the old built-in browser won't.
Contrast that with the mess that the boss had to deal with on the work PC. She doesn't believe in any browser except Internet Explorer (she's used to it and refuses to listen to reason plus the CCTV IP cameras won't work on anything else) and she just had a huge fit after dealing with Sam's Club's websites' version of Two-Factor Authentication. She had to call the phone number because IE would't load the site correctly.
That's not a Safari issue, per se. Both sites are fine on both of my machines. Maybe there's an extension getting in the way, or maybe you should try deleting cookies/cache for the problematic sites.
I tried to reset the darned thing and it still won't load YouTube (just blank squares) and Reddit still has text formatting issues (a long paragraph is doing something weird where the line breaks after a few letters and goes all vertical). The laptop at work that runs High Sierra is losing the capability to load a good number of websites, with Amazon being the latest. It loads but won't properly login.
I haven't used Mac for a few months now since moving to Windows 11, and linux before that. The issues with Safari these days is so widespread there's countless posts about it on other sites. The amount of times I come across an 'this browser is unsupported' when using Safari is increasing, and has been since Catalina.
I haven't used Mac for a few months now since moving to Windows 11, and linux before that. The issues with Safari these days is so widespread there's countless posts about it on other sites. The amount of times I come across an 'this browser is unsupported' when using Safari is increasing, and has been since Catalina.
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I almost always use FireFox (on macOS and Windows) but occasionally jump to Safari if there is an issue of any sort.
I just used Safari on my M1 MBP and, for the first time ever, accessed both YouTube and Reddit. No obvious issues. Nor have I had any issues with other sites I have accessed.
Monterey 12.4
"I mess with my browsers to the point where things don't always load correctly".
In other news, I decided air wasn't required for my tyres, so I let it all out. Now I don't need to maintain my tyres, but corner is somewhat challenging.
Also the word deprecation is used in completely the wrong context here. Safari is under active development and not deprecated. And even if it was, it's Apple that decides that, not Reddit and YouTube.
Rendering issues with Safari are either caused by extensions (because Safaris extension support isn't great), bad settings (happens when you mess with JavaScript settings) and web standard compliance. Safari is currently the least compliant of the 3 big web rendering engines, with Chrome and FireFox adhering to web standards more tightly than Safari, unfortunately. https://caniuse.com/
In other news, I decided air wasn't required for my tyres, so I let it all out. Now I don't need to maintain my tyres, but corner is somewhat challenging.
Also the word deprecation is used in completely the wrong context here. Safari is under active development and not deprecated. And even if it was, it's Apple that decides that, not Reddit and YouTube.
Rendering issues with Safari are either caused by extensions (because Safaris extension support isn't great), bad settings (happens when you mess with JavaScript settings) and web standard compliance. Safari is currently the least compliant of the 3 big web rendering engines, with Chrome and FireFox adhering to web standards more tightly than Safari, unfortunately. https://caniuse.com/
I tried resetting back to default with Monterey (when it updated) to rule that out. No extensions (other than adblock, which shouldn't break sites--sure doesn't break sites on Edge in Windows) and the only things I got javascript turned off on are old smartphones/tablets. Not the Mac. I haven't touched the one at work with High Sierra--that's the boss's daughter's and she doesn't even know what an extension is (how she stands browsing without adblock is beyond me!)
So even if I messed my Mac up, it wouldn't apply to her's. Just a case in point--yet another website decided to call Safari 'unsupported' and that was one of our payment processor's sites.
Safari is fast becoming the IE of Mac.
So even if I messed my Mac up, it wouldn't apply to her's. Just a case in point--yet another website decided to call Safari 'unsupported' and that was one of our payment processor's sites.
Safari is fast becoming the IE of Mac.
Disabling JavaScript is obviously not a solution, as many websites rely on it for basic functionality.
They should not, but they do.
In fairness, i know that Javascript has its place, but far too much, webdesigners rely on using (and loading) a whole library of JS when all they need is three lines of code.
If anything, the entire HTML ecosystem needs to die.
They should not, but they do.
In fairness, i know that Javascript has its place, but far too much, webdesigners rely on using (and loading) a whole library of JS when all they need is three lines of code.
If anything, the entire HTML ecosystem needs to die.
I turn it off especially on old stuff because it's a security risk and slows performance down. Not on the Mac, obviously.
And for a truly awful website page:
I fatigued and lost energy in my hand from having to swipe/scroll so much on my iPad to get past all the unnecessary animation flow. And then scroll back up at times for having swiped too much at times. Then I lost interest halfway down. I think halfway down. Maybe I was 1/3 or 3/4 down. Or maybe it’s a bottomless web page. Who knows.
MacBook Air 13-inch and MacBook Air 15-inch
MacBook Air laptop with the superfast M4 chip. Built for Apple Intelligence. Lightweight, with all-day battery life. Now in a new Sky Blue color.
www.apple.com
I fatigued and lost energy in my hand from having to swipe/scroll so much on my iPad to get past all the unnecessary animation flow. And then scroll back up at times for having swiped too much at times. Then I lost interest halfway down. I think halfway down. Maybe I was 1/3 or 3/4 down. Or maybe it’s a bottomless web page. Who knows.
I lost interest in Apple entirely so I don't even need their terrible website design to cement it further!
And for a truly awful website page:
MacBook Air 13-inch and MacBook Air 15-inch
MacBook Air laptop with the superfast M4 chip. Built for Apple Intelligence. Lightweight, with all-day battery life. Now in a new Sky Blue color.www.apple.com
I fatigued and lost energy in my hand from having to swipe/scroll so much on my iPad to get past all the unnecessary animation flow. And then scroll back up at times for having swiped too much at times. Then I lost interest halfway down. I think halfway down. Maybe I was 1/3 or 3/4 down. Or maybe it’s a bottomless web page. Who knows.
I hate these kinds of pages and all the forced "navigation"
Just ... the worst
A perfect page to disable javascript and just scroll down normally.
That page scrolls normally on my Mac with the current released version of Safari. I assume you're talking about the page taking over the scroll wheel and making things animate with it, which I've seen on other pages but I'm not seeing with that linked page.
Correct... all the animation and stop points and things flying all over the place
To me it adds nothing of value and just interrupts me navigating around.
My first post had the wrong mba page but I corrected it. The page I intended was the tech specs on the new mba and not the order page, in case that’s what you clicked on?
This sounds like a medical condition. I suggest contacting your doctor.
Inability to concentrate suggests some form of ADHD. I suggest bringing this up with your doctor when you visit them regarding your low energy levels.
I for one agree with @Tozovac and I have no medical conditions or any form of ADHD
The "forced presentation" style of these interactive brochure websites are dreadful and user hostile
Disliking style is one thing. Feeling wrist fatigue from a trackpad scroll after 1/3 of a page (which can be achieved in as little as 3 swipes) and an inability to concentrate, however, as medical conditions.
Disliking is one thing. Claiming this website makes you physically unable to navigate it is another thing entirely. However, we have things to combat this called accessibility features. Which, ironically, this thread has often chosen sites that ignore accessibility features entirely.
Disliking is one thing. Claiming this website makes you physically unable to navigate it is another thing entirely. However, we have things to combat this called accessibility features. Which, ironically, this thread has often chosen sites that ignore accessibility features entirely.