Why is Windows so bad?

[k28]

My reasons

30 min scan virus, 30 min clean up your system, 1 hour disk defagment, 10 min checkdisk.

Although, you say that virus never defact on your system, but how do you know untill you finish scan virus on your computer?

for me i do those things once a month on pc.

on mac i just have to repair disk promission (take no longer than 10 min) once a month.

So my point is that you get more time to do something else. and i also feel that my iMac G5 not get any slower from the day that i brought, unlike pc when you install more software on your system it get slower each day.

Another point is that, finding driver for your windows is nightmare, you have to go to each web to get driver for example monitor, graphic card, sound card, webcam, printer, network card, usb bluetooth etc. how many website you have to go?

 

[ldburroughs]

In response to the creator of the thread, your second sentence sums up your confusion:You sir, aren't indicative of Windows' userbase. Building your computer from the ground implies familiarity with the system, care to detail when performing maintenance, and knowledge of how to stop things going wrong in the first place.

Windows is fine for you, but not for the 95% of the rest of the PC-using world - which is something that the rest of us (I say with a pinch of salt) come into contact with as those enlisted to fix the fallout.

Besides this, uh, I just prefer it. It's prettier. Even Word for OS X is prettier and more functional. There doesn't have to be a fundamental, faith, ideological or divinely inspired reason, now does there?

Let's put it this way. I know next to nothing about building a computer other than how to ask questions at CompUSA. I had a four year old computer and wanted to get some more life out of it. It started out as a simple wish to burn DVDs. I added the DVD burner (simply put it in the case - not rocket science) and it worked right off the bat. Then I thought ... I'd like it to be a bit faster. At this point I realized I couldn't simply upgrade something because my components were probably a little dated. I made a trip back to CompUSA and proceeded to buy a few more things with the advice of the sales staff.

When I came home I realized I had replaced just about every component in the system without knowing anything about building computers. So you're right ... I may not be typical, but I'm no computer scientist. Like I wrote earlier, my time is consumed with finishing law school. I'm not a numbers guy and I know next to nothing about electronics. It was just VERY easy and it worked right away. I'm sure you will attempt to chalk it up to me being LUCKY. Do what you must. As far as my knowledge of Windows goes, it's pretty much the same thing. I understand some of the basics from just playing around with it but I've never had to edit the registry or anything like that. I don't know if I could at this point but I'm sure I could figure it out.

The bottom line is, I prefer OS X but I was just wondering why there were so many people who hate Windows. Many of the people who hate it so much hate it because it comes from Microsoft or Bill Gates. Many have never tried using Windows XP SP2 and make comments based on emotion. I've read some really good responses in here and am very impressed with the majority of responders. Thank you all.

 

[jefhatfield]

i can't really remember what it was like to be a regular computer user but back then i preferred the mac over a pc

for the last 6 years, i have been a pc techie, pc salesman, pc teacher, etc so any pesky windows issues are things i have learned to work around and avoid so i have been able to make any windows based machine work well and basically problem free

so for me, windows doesn't suck, at least on machines i use or maintain, and even if it did suck, i already know how to fix the problems so it's no big deal...but i assume the the average user who isn't a techie would probably choose os x over windows xp if they had the choice...that and if money was no major issue

macs still cost more but the mini mac has bridged the big price barrier gap almost 100 percent

now if apple can offer the mini mac for 349 with keyboard and mouse *what dell offers for a stand alone computer without monitor, then i would say all things would be equal price wise and nobody would be able to make the claim that macs cost more

there are still people out there who know that macs are "easier" to use and better computers, but if they could get a dell with monitor for under 450 dollars, then they will still pass up the mini mac so they can save a small amount of money

while i will always have a mac, i will at least need a pc to get through law school since some programs are for the pc only and like mentioned in the first post, will not work well, or at all, on a windows emulator program for osx

we increasingly live in a time where owning both a mac and pc is not a huge financial burden...remember when any decent mac desktop or pc desktop was around 2000 dollars? remember when the middle level laptop cost 3500 dollars? we have come a long way in the technological world to be able to produce low cost, excellent machines

 

[ldburroughs]

30 min scan virus, 30 min clean up your system, 1 hour disk defagment, 10 min checkdisk.

Although, you say that virus never defact on your system, but how do you know untill you finish scan virus on your computer?

for me i do those things once a month on pc.

on mac i just have to repair disk promission (take no longer than 10 min) once a month.

So my point is that you get more time to do something else. and i also feel that my iMac G5 not get any slower from the day that i brought, unlike pc when you install more software on your system it get slower each day.

Another point is that, finding driver for your windows is nightmare, you have to go to each web to get driver for example monitor, graphic card, sound card, webcam, printer, network card, usb bluetooth etc. how many website you have to go?

Mine still flies. I don't really do any of those things on my PC. In fact, I only have an iBook so I don't know if there is any difference. On my desktop, it runs that stuff when I'm not using it. If your system takes 30 minutes to cleandisk, that seems awfully long. It should take about 30 seconds to do this. For defrag, which is fairly infrequent, my laptop takes ages. It's a Centrino based system and this is one area I agree with you on. I don't know how to do these things on my iBook though. I'm sure people will say ... that's becuase you don't have to. But I do recall it doing something after installing iWork. It said something like optimizing disk. It took longer to install but I think it was optimizing this disk on the fly rather than all at once on a PC. The reason the PC needs defragging is typically because you have done some installing and it needs to rearrange things. My PC takes a lot less time because it is a very fast/efficient machine.

As for drivers ... these things come with the video card/dvd burner, etc. I did no searching on line, although it is nice that I have this option if I acquire some older equipment (i.e., printers). If you were to upgrade your Mac at any point you would first find that there are fewer options available and that you have to go through some of the same steps to do what is done in the PC world. Again, great suggestions. Once I learn OSX more I will be able to comment more specifically on the first issue but I tend to agree that these things take a long time if you are sitting in front of your computer. Please don't waste your time doing this in the future. Let your system do it while you're sleeping. It would be like watching a pot of water come to a boil. Just walk away

 

[ldburroughs]

while i will always have a mac, i will at least need a pc to get through law school since some programs are for the pc only and like mentioned in the first post, will not work well, or at all, on a windows emulator program for osx

we increasingly live in a time where owning both a mac and pc is not a huge financial burden...remember when any decent mac desktop or pc desktop was around 2000 dollars? remember when the middle level laptop cost 3500 dollars? we have come a long way in the technological world to be able to produce low cost, excellent machines

I feel you on this one. I hope this will change. I recently began working on my bar application and (at least in Virginia) it is pretty Mac friendly. Although don't think about taking the bar on a laptop at this point. That is still in its infancy. You have to be a beta tester in Virginia. Other states are a bit further ahead in this area. Good luck with law school.

 

[Mitthrawnuruodo]

Apart from the obvious disadvantages with Windows: Viruses, malware, dll's, incompatible drivers, registry, etc causing havoc and unstability, there is also the poor support for (borderline sabotage against) standards, both software and hardware...

A small hardware example (a software example would be too easy ):

A couple of months ago I had to help a professor with his 3G iPod and Windows laptop that wouldn't sync properly. At this point he had delivered the iPod/Laptop at the local Apple Service Center two times, and asked all the University's engineers, without getting any real help (altough he got all his music on it, but couldn't add or delete any songs).

First we tried syncing the iPod and laptop while running 2000, but gave that up quickly after several chrashes and got the engineers to upgrade the laptop to XP.

Then tried XP, and, what do you know, when trying to sync an old "friend" showed up: Good ol' Blue Screen of Death, back from the dead... - Fluke, I thought, and tried again after a restart. BSOD, again... some laughing and swearing later I went home after the USB2 cable, that came with my iPod mini (and I never use), and replaced his 3G iPod's FireWire cable with that... everything worked like a charm...

The engineers then said something like: - Oh, yes, there are some issues with the FW driver in Windows... (and I cannot believe the b*strards at Apple Service didn't try with a USB cable, until recently the USB cabel delivered with 4G and minis basically were for PC users... no excuses there...)

Moral of the story is: What should be plug'n'play has never really evolved from the plug'n'pray back in the 98 days.... And the BSOD is still there, just hidden a bit better...

 

[wrldwzrd89]

<snip>
But I do recall it doing something after installing iWork. It said something like optimizing disk. It took longer to install but I think it was optimizing this disk on the fly rather than all at once on a PC.
<snip>

A minor point...

The optimizing Mac OS X does after installing has nothing to do with defragmentation. What it's actually doing is called prebinding - effectively this writes the locations of all external libraries the program uses inside the program's code so the program doesn't have to search for them and thus starts faster.

Defragmentation is done on the fly (only for files smaller than 50 MB) thanks to Mac OS X 10.3's hot files feature (an extension to HFS+, the Mac's filing system).

 

[ldburroughs]

A minor point...

The optimizing Mac OS X does after installing has nothing to do with defragmentation. What it's actually doing is called prebinding - effectively this writes the locations of all external libraries the program uses inside the program's code so the program doesn't have to search for them and thus starts faster.

Defragmentation is done on the fly (only for files smaller than 50 MB) thanks to Mac OS X 10.3's hot files feature (an extension to HFS+, the Mac's filing system).

Thanks for the info. It was certainly something new to me.

 

[Mav451]

Apart from the obvious disadvantages with Windows: Viruses, malware, dll's, incompatible drivers, registry, etc causing havoc and unstability, there is also the poor support for (borderline sabotage against) standards, both software and hardware...

A small hardware example (a software example would be too easy ):

A couple of months ago I had to help a professor with his 3G iPod and Windows laptop that wouldn't sync properly. At this point he had delivered the iPod/Laptop at the local Apple Service Center two times, and asked all the University's engineers, without getting any real help (altough he got all his music on it, but couldn't add or delete any songs).

First we tried syncing the iPod and laptop while running 2000, but gave that up quickly after several chrashes and got the engineers to upgrade the laptop to XP.

Then tried XP, and, what do you know, when trying to sync an old "friend" showed up: Good ol' Blue Screen of Death, back from the dead... - Fluke, I thought, and tried again after a restart. BSOD, again... some laughing and swearing later I went home after the USB2 cable, that came with my iPod mini (and I never use), and replaced his 3G iPod's FireWire cable with that... everything worked like a charm...

The engineers then said something like: - Oh, yes, there are some issues with the FW driver in Windows... (and I cannot believe the b*strards at Apple Service didn't try with a USB cable, until recently the USB cabel delivered with 4G and minis basically were for PC users... no excuses there...)

Moral of the story is: What should be plug'n'play has never really evolved from the plug'n'pray back in the 98 days.... And the BSOD is still there, just hidden a bit better...

Yeah, that's actually surprising to me, but recently I heard from my friend (who recently won an iPod mini at a raffle), that upon installing iTunes and attempting to sync it had brought his XP computer to its knees. BSODs, locking, crashing. All from an iPod.

It wouldn't even boot unless it was in safe mode!!!

I hate to use a cause and effect example, but the fact that his PC was fine for many years before that, its sad to say that the cause was the iPod Mini. I'm probably going to get a call real soon to help him out with this -_-.

It is with certain irony that an example of true Plug & Play (Apple products) is the CAUSE of Plug and Pray...

*to contradict that story, the installation of a 4th gen iPod 20Gb went smoothy. An "HP" iPod, hehe.

I put in the CD and ran the setup.exe (1 click and let it go); after rebooting and installation of the several iTunes/iPod services (pretty big memory hogs if you on a Win2K machine with only 256MB RAM), I was ready. Started iTunes, added some of her favorite songs to her library just to start.

It was already connected to the USB2 port on the back, pressed Sync. Done.

My mom was like, wow, so easy to use. Yeah, it was. I showed her how easy it was to rip music (literally put in CD and and click Import). Unbelieveable--a successful HP story haha.

 

[Timelessblur]

30 min scan virus, 30 min clean up your system, 1 hour disk defagment, 10 min checkdisk.

Although, you say that virus never defact on your system, but how do you know untill you finish scan virus on your computer?

for me i do those things once a month on pc.

on mac i just have to repair disk promission (take no longer than 10 min) once a month.

So my point is that you get more time to do something else. and i also feel that my iMac G5 not get any slower from the day that i brought, unlike pc when you install more software on your system it get slower each day.

Another point is that, finding driver for your windows is nightmare, you have to go to each web to get driver for example monitor, graphic card, sound card, webcam, printer, network card, usb bluetooth etc. how many website you have to go?

of all that stuff you listed..

Defraging a system has been shown to show no real gains in anything on an XP system. In the pre Windows NT days yeah it was needed and it helps but it not imporanted to do more like a 6month to a yearly taste

Adware scan, Virus scans ect done bettween the hours of 4am-7am (adjusted for when you sleep that just my setting) so 0 real time loose no effect on the end user and by defualt those things set them selves up for a weekly scan on a saturday morning in some earily hour when most people are sleeping I just adjusted mine to match my hours. The time loose I get from it is how ever much time it takes for me quickly look over the report on my monitor and click close (99% of the time it telling me there is noughting on the computer)

For system clean up if you want to call 30 min a month of sorting though my personal files and orginzing them in a way I want them and deleting the ones I dont or uninstalling programs I dont want fine but I would spend the EXACT same amont of time on a mac doing the same thing since that is saved, downloaded, imported, or installed my self and I want those files in certian folders in a certain way. But again I would have to spend the exact same amont of time on a mac doing the same thing.

 

[wrldwzrd89]

of all that stuff you listed..

Defraging a system has been shown to show no real gains in anything on an XP system. In the pre Windows NT days yeah it was needed and it helps but it not imporanted to do more like a 6month to a yearly taste

Adware scan, Virus scans ect done bettween the hours of 4am-7am (adjusted for when you sleep that just my setting) so 0 real time loose no effect on the end user and by defualt those things set them selves up for a weekly scan on a saturday morning in some earily hour when most people are sleeping I just adjusted mine to match my hours. The time loose I get from it is how ever much time it takes for me quickly look over the report on my monitor and click close (99% of the time it telling me there is noughting on the computer)

For system clean up if you want to call 30 min a month of sorting though my personal files and orginzing them in a way I want them and deleting the ones I dont or uninstalling programs I dont want fine but I would spend the EXACT same amont of time on a mac doing the same thing since that is saved, downloaded, imported, or installed my self and I want those files in certian folders in a certain way. But again I would have to spend the exact same amont of time on a mac doing the same thing.

This is exactly what I would do if my PC was connected to the Internet and I left it on all the time (like you seem to do).

I keep it disconnected from the Internet for file sharing performance reasons (but this measure STILL doesn't completely solve the performance issues I'm having).
I turn it off when I'm not using it for a while for energy saving because, for whatever reason, it won't go to sleep, hibernate, turn the monitor off, or even turn the screensaver on without me explicitly doing these things, regardless of what I do with the Power Management and screensaver settings.

 

[ChrisBrightwell]

of all that stuff you listed..

Defraging a system has been shown to show no real gains in anything on an XP system. In the pre Windows NT days yeah it was needed and it helps but it not imporanted to do more like a 6month to a yearly taste

I defrag once a month on all my Windows-based PCs and notice significant boosts in performace every time.

Maybe it's due to me writing and deleting insane numbers of files -- but a degreagmenting a heavily fragmented drive yeilds faster systems. As always, though, YMMV.

 

[Mav451]

This is exactly what I would do if my PC was connected to the Internet and I left it on all the time (like you seem to do).

I keep it disconnected from the Internet for file sharing performance reasons (but this measure STILL doesn't completely solve the performance issues I'm having).
I turn it off when I'm not using it for a while for energy saving because, for whatever reason, it won't go to sleep, hibernate, turn the monitor off, or even turn the screensaver on without me explicitly doing these things, regardless of what I do with the Power Management and screensaver settings.

That sounds like a combination of a flakey BIOS/old monitor. I had a 7 year old NEC back in 2001 that wouldn't obey the "Sleep after 30mins" Power Management Setting, and actually crashed upon coming out of screen saver. It turned out a BIOS update + modern monitor (1999 or newer) fixed that. I was also using an old GPU at that time (G400 Matrox).

After I moved to a 8500 + NEC 17" FE791SB (I guess 2001 model) with that also came (explicitly advertised) Power Management modes built-in. The combination of a modern GPU + modern, high quality CRT + mature nForce2 chipset >> no problems. Then again, I am talking about an AMD chipset here. Can't speak much about Intel, cuz I haven't touched that since '96.

 

[Mav451]

I defrag once a month on all my Windows-based PCs and notice significant boosts in performace every time.

Maybe it's due to me writing and deleting insane numbers of files -- but a degreagmenting a heavily fragmented drive yeilds faster systems. As always, though, YMMV.

Yeah, if you are doing a ton of BT/P2P (*ahem, haha), then that is expected. Those files are coming at you in all sorts of sizes, speeds, and if you are getting more than one file at a time (and your hard drive is getting fuller and fuller), you are asking for trouble.

File fragmentation also goes up EXPONENTIALLY as you clear the 13-15% HD space threshold. You get below that, and you better expect to see mucho red in the Disk Analyzer diagram. I've noticed that if you keep more than the threshold amount, free, fragmentation happens alot less frequently. I'm talking 1-1.5 years w/o defragging.

 

[Timelessblur]

This is exactly what I would do if my PC was connected to the Internet and I left it on all the time (like you seem to do).

I keep it disconnected from the Internet for file sharing performance reasons (but this measure STILL doesn't completely solve the performance issues I'm having).
I turn it off when I'm not using it for a while for energy saving because, for whatever reason, it won't go to sleep, hibernate, turn the monitor off, or even turn the screensaver on without me explicitly doing these things, regardless of what I do with the Power Management and screensaver settings.

I noticed a problem like that on mine from time to time. I think it is picking up small mouse movements that are tripping it up. I turned my mouse off and it worked fine normally not a big deal to me since I run my computer 24/7 it going to get shut down for the first time since Christmas next week only because it is spring break.

 

[jefhatfield]

I feel you on this one. I hope this will change. I recently began working on my bar application and (at least in Virginia) it is pretty Mac friendly. Although don't think about taking the bar on a laptop at this point. That is still in its infancy. You have to be a beta tester in Virginia. Other states are a bit further ahead in this area. Good luck with law school.

yeah all will be cool if i stay in california...but out of state then i am out of luck since the law schools i am looking at (one of which has accepted me), which are online, are only california bar approved...and if i move to let's say vancouver bc, then i will have to start all over and attain an llb, the law degree in canada, england, the former commonwealths, and some states

there are plenty of ex-lawyers in california who practiced in other states and came out west to do something else

 

[26139]

I think all of you problems with windows can be summed up in you first senticed. 19 years on a mac less than a year on windows.

It almost seems like you dont want to learn how and it should not be that hard to do that. I seen some of the same complains about macs. Menu bar at the top crap.

The menus in word dont show all of them at first because after a short time it learned what commands you are calling up and what ones you choose so it makes it faster and easier to choose the ones you wanted. but then again you been using Mac for 19 years and windows less than a year in short you are going to hate windows because it diffence.

Oh, there are studies that Mac users have much more education than windows users...and built in spellcheck!
As far as the word menus not showing up...that's annoying, and isn't word for mac and pc made for one company? You think the mac business unit might be doing something right? I have heard over and over that the mac version of office gets better reviews than the windows version...

 

[Timelessblur]

Oh, there are studies that Mac users have much more education than windows users...and built in spellcheck!
As far as the word menus not showing up...that's annoying, and isn't word for mac and pc made for one company? You think the mac business unit might be doing something right? I have heard over and over that the mac version of office gets better reviews than the windows version...

Insult my smarts all you want. I dont care about spelling to much due to the fact that I am dyslexia and I can pretty safely say that I am smarter than you are and more educated than you are. I never stated any where that Mac users are more educated no. I stated that his problems with windows could be summed up in the fact that he used a mac for 19 years and windows for only 9 months.

Everything stated how good a mac is has to also me taken down a notch or 2 because of extra hype macs gets. And everything stated about windows being bad has to be reduced due to the fact everyone love to bash Microsoft.

Now it is more of a fact that avereage mac fanitic, zealot knows a lot less about windows than they claim. A semi fimal windows users knows a lot more about windows than they do and then people like me can see the blanted BS they are spitting out. Go to a PC forum and you dont see topic about apple come up or the bashing of apple. They are more open to people stating the good things in mac and their you find lot of helpful little things that MS does give out.

On a side note something MS does have out for download for free are the Powertoys that add a lot to windows. Mainly the Tweak UI is really nice in what it allows you to change.

 

[wrldwzrd89]

Insult my smarts all you want. I dont care about spelling to much due to the fact that I am dyslexia and I can pretty safely say that I am smarter than you are and more educated than you are.

What reason do I have to believe you? Right now, none.

I never stated any where that Mac users are more educated no. I stated that his problems with windows could be summed up in the fact that he used a mac for 19 years and windows for only 9 months.

This sounds perfectly reasonable, and I agree with you here.

Everything stated how good a mac is has to also me taken down a notch or 2 because of extra hype macs gets. And everything stated about windows being bad has to be reduced due to the fact everyone love to bash Microsoft.

To me, that sounds like a wash (the net effect is zero)

Now it is more of a fact that avereage mac fanitic, zealot knows a lot less about windows than they claim. A semi fimal windows users knows a lot more about windows than they do and then people like me can see the blanted BS they are spitting out. Go to a PC forum and you dont see topic about apple come up or the bashing of apple. They are more open to people stating the good things in mac and their you find lot of helpful little things that MS does give out.

Stating an opinion as a fact and pointing to Windows forums does not constitute convincing evidence, IMO.

On a side note something MS does have out for download for free are the Powertoys that add a lot to windows. Mainly the Tweak UI is really nice in what it allows you to change.

With Mac OS X, you don't need tools like Tweak UI since all relevant settings are stored in human-readable property list files (instead of the binary data that makes up the Windows Registry).

Like others have said, it's just my opinion, I could be wrong...

 

[Timelessblur]

well think about it most of the bashing of Windows on unstaiblity and problems with it trace back to the windows 9.x line and all the opinans based on that. I read way to many post that are blanity wrong or so full of BS that it that way. Then lets look at 2 PC forums here the Sharky forums and Overclocker.com forums. Overclocker forums mac topic come up once in a blue moon and when they do they dont bash it. Sharky the come up more offen but the bashing of mac products is low if any at all. Here everyone bash MS every chance they get a lot of the time they clearly dont know what they are talking about.

As for the hype Apple products are hype up quite a bit and all the talk about them on how good they are. A lot of pure hype so take it down a little bit to see how it really is. MS it does not matter what they do it gets bashed. THey make a good program people look for a reason to trash it. A lot of the trashing comes from people who never touch the programs same goes for a lot of they hype Apple gets from people who never used them.

 

[wrldwzrd89]

well think about it most of the bashing of Windows on unstaiblity and problems with it trace back to the windows 9.x line and all the opinans based on that. I read way to many post that are blanity wrong or so full of BS that it that way. Then lets look at 2 PC forums here the Sharky forums and Overclocker.com forums. Overclocker forums mac topic come up once in a blue moon and when they do they dont bash it. Sharky the come up more offen but the bashing of mac products is low if any at all. Here everyone bash MS every chance they get a lot of the time they clearly dont know what they are talking about.

As for the hype Apple products are hype up quite a bit and all the talk about them on how good they are. A lot of pure hype so take it down a little bit to see how it really is. MS it does not matter what they do it gets bashed. THey make a good program people look for a reason to trash it. A lot of the trashing comes from people who never touch the programs same goes for a lot of they hype Apple gets from people who never used them.

You're right that there seems to be an awful lot of anti-MS sentiment in Mac communities like this one. I don't visit Windows forums because I have no compelling reason to, so I can't really comment on your Sharky and Overclockers comments.

I'm struggling to follow you here. Do you mean we need to see past the hype and look at the reality? That's a pretty sensible suggestion if you ask me. The last sentence of your post sounds completely impossible. How could positive hype on Apple products come from anyone other than existing Apple users, not those that have never used an Apple product in their life?

 

[mcgarry]

Let's put it this way. I know next to nothing about building a computer other than how to ask questions at CompUSA. I had a four year old computer and wanted to get some more life out of it. It started out as a simple wish to burn DVDs. I added the DVD burner (simply put it in the case - not rocket science) and it worked right off the bat. Then I thought ... I'd like it to be a bit faster. At this point I realized I couldn't simply upgrade something because my components were probably a little dated. I made a trip back to CompUSA and proceeded to buy a few more things with the advice of the sales staff.

When I came home I realized I had replaced just about every component in the system without knowing anything about building computers. So you're right ... I may not be typical, but I'm no computer scientist. ... [snip]

ldburroughs,
Sorry if you are aware of the following; I couldn't tell from your post: almost every hardware upgrade you can do on a PC can be done on almost any of the non-All-in-One Macs of comparable vintage. This applies to laptops as well as desktops. With Macs, there's just usually less justification for most of them, in my limited experience, as the computers are spec'd pretty well in terms of basic stuff like power supplies and fans right out of the box. No, you can't plop a G5 CPU in a B&W G3, but there's probably other good reasons to just get a whole new box at that point anyway. And yes, your prices might be higher and your options more limited, but that doesn't mean they aren't there.

This also raises the question of what exactly in a computer is worth upgrading, and on this there can be a legitimate disagreement, but in my experience there is little difference in this regard between Macs and PCs.

 

[mcgarry]

Facts

... [snip]

Now it is more of a fact that avereage mac fanitic, zealot knows a lot less about windows than they claim. A semi fimal windows users knows a lot more about windows than they do and then people like me can see the blanted BS they are spitting out.

[snip]

In another, similar thread earlier this week, in which Timelessblur also posted, I wrote the following:

Well, I've personally met and spoken about computers with every single Mac user and PC user in the entire world. Yeah, it keeps me busy. I am, of course, a total expert on everything computer-related myself. Anyway, I can categorically state that Mac users are more knowledgeable, more intelligent, and also better-looking. Or was that the Debian guys ... aww shucks.

Now, in the interests of sticking to the facts, I have to come clean. I wasn't lying in that post above, but I wasn't quite telling the whole truth either. I said "in the entire world," which of course doesn't include our extraterrestrial friends. Fact is, there are a bunch of super-smart aliens out there that are just in LOVE with OS/2 Warp. So there you have it.

 

[brap]

Now, in the interests of sticking to the facts, I have to come clean. I wasn't lying in that post above, but I wasn't quite telling the whole truth either. I said "in the entire world," which of course doesn't include our extraterrestrial friends. Fact is, there are a bunch of super-smart aliens out there that are just in LOVE with OS/2 Warp. So there you have it.

You sir, are a genius.

 

[angelneo]

Now it is more of a fact that avereage mac fanitic, zealot knows a lot less about windows than they claim. A semi fimal windows users knows a lot more about windows than they do and then people like me can see the blanted BS they are spitting out. Go to a PC forum and you dont see topic about apple come up or the bashing of apple. They are more open to people stating the good things in mac and their you find lot of helpful little things that MS does give out.

I don't really want to reply to your post as I would know how you would react but I feel compelled to do so. You do know that since windows dominated the market, a lot of members here actually use windows at work. I, for one, uses windows about 90% of the time. Although I can't do COM programming, I do know a few things about windows. I misses my powerbook.