Why is Windows so bad?

[Mechcozmo]

First off: I have been using Windows my whole life and I do admit it has some flaws but if you are an itiot and add stupid 3rd party cheap programs to it, of course it is not going to perform as well. You even mentioned that you had KAZAA! THAT IS JUST A PC KILLER IN ITSELF!!! it adds all the spyware, adware...slows your computer...almost all the problems are caused by piracy software and "free stuff"

You did pretty good up to here.

I use itunes and all 3 of my computers run like a charm. Apple spends too much time making their products look "pretty" and not enough time fixing things that annoy people such as compatibility issues and not Xing out the right way. Basically, you get what you give. If you buy your music for $1 a song, you do not have to pay the steep price for a mac or all the software for pc to block that junk.Cheers!

Uh-oh....
1. What compatibility issues?
2. X-ing out the right way? Sorry, but Apple and its developers subscribe to one design philosophy, and Microsoft and its developers subscribe to a different one.
I like Apple's philosophy better. I can have Word still open, but no documents. So the next document opens FAST. No reopening Word. It is a preference, not a right or wrong thing in any case.
3. You get what you give. Uh, wha???
4. Apple doesn't spend too much time making their products "pretty" or anything like that. Apple's products are very elegant, but very functional. Few programs are as nice to use as iMovie while being both easy on the eye and pretty.

 

[gMac]

Daddy always said I wasn't the sharpest bulb in the drawer, but I reckin I'll throw my hat in the ring too.

Only a cretin would prefer an OS that accumulated icons on the left side of the desktop!

 

[Mechcozmo]

That is one of the BIGGEST reasons I hate big-time white box builders:

(e.g. Dell, HP, Sony, etc.)

Talk about hands being tied.

Yeah... its such a pain. Of course, I may not know what they ALL do, but I at least how to use MOST of them. More than they give me.

 

[Mav451]

Daddy always said I wasn't the sharpest bulb in the drawer, but I reckin I'll throw my hat in the ring too.

Only a cetin would prefer an OS that accumulated icons on the left side of the desktop!

???

1 entry found for cetin.

cetin

\Ce"tin\, n. [L. cetus whale.] (Chem.) A white, waxy substance, forming the essential part of spermaceti.

 

[gMac]

OOPS! See the new and improved edited version above!

 

[Timelessblur]

Uh-oh....
1. What compatibility issues?
2. X-ing out the right way? Sorry, but Apple and its developers subscribe to one design philosophy, and Microsoft and its developers subscribe to a different one.
I like Apple's philosophy better. I can have Word still open, but no documents. So the next document opens FAST. No reopening Word. It is a preference, not a right or wrong thing in any case.
3. You get what you give. Uh, wha???
4. Apple doesn't spend too much time making their products "pretty" or anything like that. Apple's products are very elegant, but very functional. Few programs are as nice to use as iMovie while being both easy on the eye and pretty.

Hmm some appretnly has never seen office 03 for windows..... once word is open it it STAYs open. You not going to see it unless you go in to the task manager and look in there and guess what you will see the word.exe still up and running and it does not close. The next document you open will snap open it on the first one that is a little slow but that because MSwords has to open.

 

[Mechcozmo]

Hmm some appretnly has never seen office 03 for windows..... once word is open it it STAYs open. You not going to see it unless you go in to the task manager and look in there and guess what you will see the word.exe still up and running and it does not close. The next document you open will snap open it on the first one that is a little slow but that because MSwords has to open.

(This is based on what you said-- that after all windows are closed, Word 2003 stays open. I have not installed it at home [well, it is somewhere but not on my Mac! ] but I haven't used it for a day or so on-end. Get what I mean? Good.....)
Oh dear lord... Office '03 is close enough to malware that I hate it like all-get-out... when you WANT to close it, it doesn't close! For the sake of something holy... I mean, I Word for Mac-- I want you gone, I quit you. Been that way since 1984. But if I want you open, I close your window and you stay open. Voila! Windows isn't like that. It closes when I close its window. But now, it hides in the background. I don't want it sucking up my resources! And that ugly toolbar on the side-- eeewww.

 

[Mechcozmo]

Daddy always said I wasn't the sharpest bulb in the drawer, but I reckin I'll throw my hat in the ring too.

Only a cretin would prefer an OS that accumulated icons on the left side of the desktop!

I agree! (To the first statement) What's with that?! (To the second)

 

[Eastend]

I work in paper stock mostly, but we also do some printing. Why the Mac?
It gets the job done. That is not all, also because we deal with other printing houses and other paper handling company's all over the globe, most of them are on the Mac too. That is not all, sometimes I am on the telephone with somebody and they will say to me I have a problem with the computer now, please wait a moment, I always ask what computer are you using? Guess what it always is? To be real honest, in my job, you find Windows in the offices a lot, but on the press area are design areas, it has not been a Windows since I started in this over 11 years ago. I'm going to add another parting shot here, I must have called about 3 or 4 major printing company's over the last few years, when their entire systems were down. The downed systems were usually due to email viruses and their Macs were never affected. Our offices as well as our press and design areas are all Macs, the Windows Machines are here, but only used for when we cannot deal with the file on a Mac. Sorry, this is awfully Mac biased I know, what do you expect from a Mac fanatic.

Brian

 

[wrldwzrd89]

I work in paper stock mostly, but we also do some printing. Why the Mac?
It gets the job done. That is not all, also because we deal with other printing houses and other paper handling company's all over the globe, most of them are on the Mac too. That is not all, sometimes I am on the telephone with somebody and they will say to me I have a problem with the computer now, please wait a moment, I always ask what computer are you using? Guess what it always is? To be real honest, in my job, you find Windows in the offices a lot, but on the press area are design areas, it has not been a Windows since I started in this over 11 years ago. I'm going to add another parting shot here, I must have called about 3 or 4 major printing company's over the last few years, when their entire systems were down. The downed systems were usually due to email viruses and their Macs were never affected. Our offices as well as our press and design areas are all Macs, the Windows Machines are here, but only used for when we cannot deal with the file on a Mac. Sorry, this is awfully Mac biased I know, what do you expect from a Mac fanatic.

Brian

To be honest, I'm not at all surprised. The printing and graphics design industries are places where Macs have traditionally been strong, and continue to be strong. Your post only confirms this thinking.

 

[ceissman]

windows isnt bad, a pretty much unslanted POV (disclaimer: rambling within)

my take based on .. well, im not going to bother qualifying myself but..

the current state of windows is pretty good provided:
-you avoid internet explorer. 100%. okay, you can use it for windowsupdate. thats it. the rest is on firefox. also banned is ms outlook.
-more than 512mb ram if you do anything more than write text docs.

I installed xp on a machine for someone today - a p2 450. it was suprisingly responsive.

x86 selling points for me:
-hardware variety and price: competition means better pricesfor similar technology (similar to mac) you can piece machines together to a greater extent. motherboards can be purchased based on desired technology support, intended use.. etc etc .. casing options with pc are great.
-pc's get all the games .. although ive kind of retired since i stayed awake for 3 years playing glquake, warcraft 2 and quake 2.
-nerds tend to use pc's (okay fine they use linux even more but..) which means you can find small apps to accomplish obscure tasks.

The cost effectiveness even applies to laptops.. My notebook was purchased a year ago last month - for 1350$ (did use coupon codes on dell.com). (pentium-m1.6(=p4 2.5) 512 60gb).. The comparable apple laptop is 1999 TODAY.. And mine runs at 1920x1200.. came with dvdrw.

Rebuts to rebuttable assertions and some random points:
-xp user interface is bad: uhm, try windowblinds or any one of UI modifying progs for xp. Make windows behave like a mac if you want. Duh.
-windows closes programs that you want running in the background (huh? i didnt quite follow this, but it was a very common complaint) Uhm, if im running a game i hope all my other **** is closed. If i want it open i wont close it. Someone complained that word opened too slowly and wished it was always open. I recommend a faster hard drive, or something. It opens for me in 2 seconds. FYI WindowsKey+M minimizes all programs. CTRL-W closes 1 window. I havnt clicked an X in years.
-windows is succeptible to hacks: not really unless someone gets you to run software you shouldnt, or you use internet explorer (but you should have figured this one out by now). However, mac, being based on bsd/unix.. is totally ownable if you run services. more than steal information, someone could get root ... and that could lead to anything.
-I am a software pirate and love the fact that anything for pc is available in a very nicely hacked way soon after release. I would pay for software but im taking care of laons first. well, **** it, i wont ever pay except in cerain cases, like when work buys it for me.
-Blue screens and lockups are gone in xp. if you get them, you have bad hardware or an installation thats been trashed by spyware, bad software, or user error ( my favorite virus )
-NT/2k/2k3 sucked for you? you probably bought bad hardware. Pc's are nt macs. you cant buy any hardware and expect it to be okay. Driver problems with your brand X **** in windows 2000? Stinks but for you I shed no tears. Apples are easy since they usually only have 1 piece of hardware for a given function. Buying pc hardware without knowing what youa re doing is like buying clothes without checking brand or size when it comes to these professionally oriented operating systems.

Reasons i would want a mac in my lfie: (i do want one)
-my mother demanded that i get her a computer that she could learn
-people sweat them.
-music production
-there are more but if you read this far you already hate me enough to not care.
-back in the day they were all scsi

 

[Mav451]

[Windows Key + D] also minimizes all programs, but I think its easier cuz you can do it all with one hand (left). Seriously, this beats moving my mouse to the lil "Show Desktop button." 1/4 sec vs. 1-2 sec? Easy decision.

-Blue screens and lockups are gone in xp. if you get them, you have bad hardware or an installation thats been trashed by spyware, bad software, or user error ( my favorite virus )

Easily the quote of the month. Hahaha.


And if Apples used SCSIs, good lord, no wonder they last long. Those come with MINIMUM 5 year warranty. Yeah, it also could be the smaller user market (servers), but generally these things are built like tanks. And if that's true, its no wonder that Apples could last up to 5-7 years after the purchase date. Obviously regular HDs can/may do the same, but if you want to put a % on it, SCSI's probably will come on top.

(insert Maxtor/Hitachi/IBM failure stories).

 

[wrldwzrd89]

my take based on .. well, im not going to bother qualifying myself but..

the current state of windows is pretty good provided:
-you avoid internet explorer. 100%. okay, you can use it for windowsupdate. thats it. the rest is on firefox. also banned is ms outlook.
-more than 512mb ram if you do anything more than write text docs.

I installed xp on a machine for someone today - a p2 450. it was suprisingly responsive.

x86 selling points for me:
-hardware variety and price: competition means better pricesfor similar technology (similar to mac) you can piece machines together to a greater extent. motherboards can be purchased based on desired technology support, intended use.. etc etc .. casing options with pc are great.
-pc's get all the games .. although ive kind of retired since i stayed awake for 3 years playing glquake, warcraft 2 and quake 2.
-nerds tend to use pc's (okay fine they use linux even more but..) which means you can find small apps to accomplish obscure tasks.

This I agree with 100%. I use a Windows XP PC too in addition to my Mac.

The cost effectiveness even applies to laptops.. My notebook was purchased a year ago last month - for 1350$ (did use coupon codes on dell.com). (pentium-m1.6(=p4 2.5) 512 60gb).. The comparable apple laptop is 1999 TODAY.. And mine runs at 1920x1200.. came with dvdrw.

This point is debatable IMO. I won't argue with your specs for that Dell laptop...

Rebuts to rebuttable assertions and some random points:
-xp user interface is bad: uhm, try windowblinds or any one of UI modifying progs for xp. Make windows behave like a mac if you want. Duh.
-windows closes programs that you want running in the background (huh? i didnt quite follow this, but it was a very common complaint) Uhm, if im running a game i hope all my other **** is closed. If i want it open i wont close it. Someone complained that word opened too slowly and wished it was always open. I recommend a faster hard drive, or something. It opens for me in 2 seconds. FYI WindowsKey+M minimizes all programs. CTRL-W closes 1 window. I havnt clicked an X in years.
-windows is succeptible to hacks: not really unless someone gets you to run software you shouldnt, or you use internet explorer (but you should have figured this one out by now). However, mac, being based on bsd/unix.. is totally ownable if you run services. more than steal information, someone could get root ... and that could lead to anything.
-I am a software pirate and love the fact that anything for pc is available in a very nicely hacked way soon after release. I would pay for software but im taking care of laons first. well, **** it, i wont ever pay except in cerain cases, like when work buys it for me.
-Blue screens and lockups are gone in xp. if you get them, you have bad hardware or an installation thats been trashed by spyware, bad software, or user error ( my favorite virus )
-NT/2k/2k3 sucked for you? you probably bought bad hardware. Pc's are nt macs. you cant buy any hardware and expect it to be okay. Driver problems with your brand X **** in windows 2000? Stinks but for you I shed no tears. Apples are easy since they usually only have 1 piece of hardware for a given function. Buying pc hardware without knowing what youa re doing is like buying clothes without checking brand or size when it comes to these professionally oriented operating systems.

I agree with most of what you said here. I just thought I'd mention that the root user is disabled by default in Mac OS X, which makes the task of getting root access that much harder for a hacker.

Reasons i would want a mac in my lfie: (i do want one)
-my mother demanded that i get her a computer that she could learn
-people sweat them.
-music production
-there are more but if you read this far you already hate me enough to not care.
-back in the day they were all scsi

All good reasons for a Mac, I'd say.

 

[Timelessblur]

I think if and when the first bad virus hits OSX it is going to target a way to turn on root access and get it self in thier. Root access is the greattest weakness in OSX and by defualt it is off but if some one ever figures out how to make a virus to turn it on with out the user knowing about it I think we can safely say "Houston, we have a problem"

 

[G5Unit]

Reasons why I hate Windows:
1. When you try to force quit a program, takes like 10 mins before the computer gets rolling agian. If it even does.
2. To many glitches.
3. SP2 made it so you can't do anything without-Error, securty settings do not allow. and when you change the filtering to super low it chages it back saying that it needs t!
4. You can get spyware.
5. Nothing ever works.

 

[ClarkeB]

[Windows Key + D] also minimizes all programs, but I think its easier cuz you can do it all with one hand (left). Seriously, this beats moving my mouse to the lil "Show Desktop button." 1/4 sec vs. 1-2 sec? Easy decision.

Er...you can hit F11 with one finger...and then you don't have to go and reopen every little window

 

[Mav451]

You don't have to reopen every window. Pressing Windows Key + D returns you to the window you just came from.

E.g.
If I have Firefox, AIM, Thunderbird, iTunes all open, I can press Win + D and I can see the Desktop in an instance.

Then, when I press it again, I return back to Firefox (the one window I had open when I pressed Win + D). Unless I physically go to minimize every window, in XP, those windows stay open.

Hahah, and to think I almost thought you were talking about XP until I tried F11 - and realize it just gives me "Full Screen" in Firefox. -_-

 

[jaw04005]

I love Mac OS 10.3, however the only gripe I have is that the home and end keys don't function as one would think.

I want to be able to press the home key in any text or search box and be taken to the beginning of the line of text. Same with the end key. Drives me nuts!

Are "home" and "end", the keys that Steve Jobs wanted removed from the original Mac? One would think so.

Also, in Panther someone decided they didn't want the num lock key to light up when pressed on Apple Pro Keyboards. What's the purpose of that?

 

[wrldwzrd89]

I love Mac OS 10.3, however the only gripe I have is that the home and end keys don't function as one would think.

I want to be able to press the home key in any text or search box and be taken to the beginning of the line of text. Same with the end key. Drives me nuts!

Are "home" and "end", the keys that Steve Jobs wanted removed from the original Mac? One would think so.

Also, in Panther someone decided they didn't want the num lock key to light up when pressed on Apple Pro Keyboards. What's the purpose of that?

For me, the home and end keys do nothing at all when pressed. Is this the behavior you're seeing? I'm not bothered by it, since I never use Home and End, even on a Windows PC. The reason for the Num Lock key not lighting up is because Num Lock doesn't have a meaning anymore in Panther - it's always in Num Lock mode.

 

[clayj]

Reasons why I hate Windows:
1. When you try to force quit a program, takes like 10 mins before the computer gets rolling agian. If it even does.
2. To many glitches.
3. SP2 made it so you can't do anything without-Error, securty settings do not allow. and when you change the filtering to super low it chages it back saying that it needs t!
4. You can get spyware.
5. Nothing ever works.

1. Not on my machines.
2. Not on my machines.
3. Not on my machines.
4. Not on my machines.
5. Not on my machines.

Some people just don't know how to set up, use, and maintain Windows. Those of us who do find Windows to be every bit as stable and functional as any Mac.

<sarcasm>I really love it when people assume that everyone's Windows experience is as bad as theirs was (or as bad as they BELIEVE theirs was... can you say "confabulation"?).</sarcasm>

 

[jaw04005]

For me, the home and end keys do nothing at all when pressed. Is this the behavior you're seeing? I'm not bothered by it, since I never use Home and End, even on a Windows PC. The reason for the Num Lock key not lighting up is because Num Lock doesn't have a meaning anymore in Panther - it's always in Num Lock mode.

Yes, Home and End do nothing in the Finder. Home takes you to the beginning of a webpage in Safari, end takes you to the end of the webpage. They function as "normal" in MS Office.

I use home and end ever so often, so the the lack of operability in text and search boxes does bother me

Why the sudden change to make num lock permanent? Although, I personally keep in locked, the num lock key has been around forever.

 

[tech4all]

Don't want to defend Windows but.....

1. When you try to force quit a program, takes like 10 mins before the computer gets rolling agian. If it even does.

Hasn't happened to me on Windows.

2. To many glitches.

With what? Can you be more specific? And you have to admit, Macs do have glitches also.

4. You can get spyware.

Becuase it is availbe for Windows. Other OSs can get spyware, it just isn't out there right now. Although other OSs may be more secure....

5. Nothing ever works.

Oh comon, you know that isn't true. Things do work on Windows. To say "Nothing ever works" is the same as the redundant comment, "Nothing works with MAC" (Did I just say "MAC"?) that ignorant PC users say all the time.

Don't get me wrong, I love OS X and Macs. But you are starting to sound like some of the examples of ignorant PC user comments in this thread. I'm not trying to flame you, just keeping it real that's all.

 

[wrldwzrd89]

Yes, Home and End do nothing in the Finder. Home takes you to the beginning of a webpage in Safari, end takes you to the end of the webpage. They function as "normal" in MS Office.

I use home and end ever so often, so the the lack of operability in text and search boxes does bother me

Why the sudden change to make num lock permanent? Although, I personally keep in locked, the num lock key has been around forever.

The current Apple keyboard for desktop Macs lacks a Num Lock key. Num Lock is only useful on PowerBooks and iBooks, since they don't have room for a numeric keypad (this is debatable on the 17 inch PowerBook, however). Mac OS X doesn't use the arrow keys for scrolling and other functions, which is the reason Num Lock exists - to toggle between extended arrows and numbers on the numeric keypad.

 

[Zazette]

I used Partion Magic, Norton Utilities / AntiVirus, Disk Image, updated all patches and never had a problem with viruses.

That is exactly what I dislike about Windows. You have to run a zillion things to have a clean computer! I was a switcher 4 years ago and I find OSX so much simpler after you get used to it. You can actually DO something on your computer instead of fixing it. My mom (very limited knowledge of everything related to computer) still have my old Windows PC and everytime I'm checking it, it's infected with virus and spyware. I find OSX more "newbie friendly".

 

[Lacero]

I have a younger brother who surfs the net on my computer. At the end of the week, my windows machine is SOOO slow from all the junk he's downloaded. I have to regularly run Adaware, SpyBot Search and Destroy, and Spyguard weekly. This is in addition to Panda Antivirus and constant disk defrag programs. On the Mac, I run only repair permissions monthly and the process in itself takes a few minutes vs many hours for Windows.