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Why people "hate" Apple
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I just had this crap of an argument with a friend of mine today. She was saying the same thing. Apple is no longer innovative. I just find it funny that people expect Apple to be the one to do the innovations. To be honest Samsung has done nothing neither has Google neither has Microsoft. Where are their innovations? There aren't any. Samsung does nothing but gimmicks. Microsoft is dead as far as the mobile phone business. They are just a hair above BlackBerry and that's not a compliment. Sony who? Apple is the only one that has actually pushed the industry forward. The rest just follow and copy.
markusbeutel
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Poor choice of words then on my part, how about "accepting stagnation" instead. Although I suppose some people may prefer what's tried, tested, and true - like how people, as they age, get stuck in their ways, without realizing that they're part of the problem in holding things back.
movieator
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Hey, hey, hey!
I'm forty. I am in no way stuck in my ways.
Now...can someone show me how to set the clock on this VCR thingamajig?
Surf Monkey
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And people bash away, just as they always have. The more things change...
mattroman246
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Surf Monkey
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The whole premise is flawed. As I said, people have consistently accused Apple of failing to innovate. Of being too closed. Of failing to respond to market demands. And on and on and on. Meanwhile... Macintosh, MacBook, Mac Pro, iMac, iPod, AppleTV, iPhone, iPad...
So... yeah.
markusbeutel
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Samsung = bigger phones and the precursors to Apple pay. Without the Note, we might still all be using 3.5 inch screens, (although if Samsung didn't increase phones sizes somebody else surely would have eventually).
Microsoft -well, they're trying to an extent with their Surface Pro's - the tablet/laptop hybrids that go beyond mere netbooks. Apple seems to agree this new formfactor is viable, hence the iPad Pro.
While Sony hasn't introduced anything revolutionary, they've failed at a ton of unique designs... Although I should mention that they're the ones that have popularized the water/dust proof designs now appearing in a variety of smart phones.
And in all this time, Apple's made a bigger iPhone. And a fingerprint reader that justifies the continued use of the home button and their monster bezels...
Take off your Apple blinders already.
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iPad's that last one of those that they can claim as being innovative. Back in 2010. Since then, 4 years without innovation. Can't speak for others, but it's within these past 4 years that I've grown frustrated with Apple, was a fan prior as they continuously pushed the envelope, but since then? Nada.
Surf Monkey
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In other words, as I just said in the other Apple hate thread:
"I wish Apple was like those other, less successful companies!"
Not buying it.
movieator
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All your other arguments we could debate. Would love to.
But this line, right here, is a pointless jab. It's weaksauce. It serves no purpose than trying to get under one's skin.
I can't respect that. I don't in other topics of debate, so I won't here.
markusbeutel
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? Not envious, more apathetic that the industry is being held back. Apple pay, if it catches on, and if Apple puts all its weight behind it, might give me pause though, as despite the fact that others tried it first, only Apple has the heft to make it happen.
I'd like to see more instances like this, and less of "only the 6+ has landscape mode" nickel and dime features.
Surf Monkey
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Nice try, but that's just where my list stopped because I arbitrarily ended it. You yourself already mentioned Touch ID and we can add Apple Pay to the list along with many other things.
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Pointedly absent in your assessment is the Apple Watch.
Lol no.
Do you know why Android is moving towards a smoother, more unified experience? Apple.
Do you know why Sony is considering moving to stock ROMS (again, for a smoother experience?) Apple.
Do you know why Google finally started doing more work on Hangouts and integration? Apple.
They both push each other on. You really think Google and the other manufacturers would be busting their butts as much if they didn't have Apple to compete with? No. And I've said this before and I'll say it again, but specs aren't everything. In fact for a lot of people they're secondary. What's the point of a device that has 1285108475048 features if it sucks and has constant issues?
Like, maybe I should go around posting that I'm ~angry~ with Android users for accepting fragmentation, blabbity blabbity blah, but I don't really care tbh. You use what you like, I'll use what I like. It's simple. I get more annoyed with people expecting me to ~see the light~ and use Android than I do by the fact that they like Android in itself.
movieator
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You know what will be innovative? One, simple function of the watch.
I had a Mio Alpha, a supposed, strapless constant HRM watch. It looked great, but the tech just wasn't there.
It would drop to 80bpm even thought I was going full bear, and it was reading 170. Then it would take forever to get back up.
If the HRM is the Apple Watch is legit and accurate, with all the health integration, that is the game changer.
I had a Mio Alpha, a supposed, strapless constant HRM watch. It looked great, but the tech just wasn't there.
It would drop to 80bpm even thought I was going full bear, and it was reading 170. Then it would take forever to get back up.
If the HRM is the Apple Watch is legit and accurate, with all the health integration, that is the game changer.
markusbeutel
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Because as of now, it's made absolutely 0 impact, and it does nothing to set itself apart from the crowd, apart from its price-point. If it truly was revolutionary, I'd include it in my assessment. As is, Samsung's curved glass Gear S is much more impressive imo.
And Apple Pay isn't innovation, its copying what's already out there.
Fingerprint reader is an innovation, but as long as it's keeping the bezels a monster size, while everyone else is trying to maximize screen real estate, devalues its innovative qualities, imo.
markusbeutel
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Do you honestly see people wearing the Apple Watch during an intense workout? It's far too large/weighty/pricey. I'd be worried the entire time of smashing the screen on a weight, or getting it lathered in sweat (same goes for most of the 'health' watches though).
It's a watch you wear for show, a status symbol if you will. You just have to look through these forums and find the first store it's been displayed in - not exactly a Nike store.
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Yeah. Okay. Done with the newb now.
mightyjabba
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Personally I think four years since the last industry-redefining innovation sounds pretty good. I'm not sure I can think of another company that's doing remotely that well, so all of this doom and gloom just shows what an artificially high standard people have for Apple.
But more to the point, you have to think back to how these devices were received at the time. The iPod was "just an expensive MP3 player." The iPhone was doomed to failure due to poor battery life and no physical keyboard (although it definitely came the closest to blowing people's socks off when it was introduced). The iPad was "a big iPhone without the phone." It's only in hindsight that we see how revolutionary these things were. I'd be willing to bet that Apple has already announced something that's going to be a huge deal. Not sure if it's the Apple Watch or Apple Pay, but time will tell.
movieator
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Actually, if the tech is there, yes. It's all about that tech. So far, the only accurate HRM monitor is with a chest strap. Yes, I use one. And yes, it a minor annoyance. But if Apple's is on point, that will be a game changer.
As a fitness junkie, I can say that will be huge.
And I'd say that about any company that is the first to make that tech actually, reliably work.
Then add all the integration with Healthkit, Wahoo, any apps that incorporate it, or what have you.
And we have no idea what actual the weight is, now, do we?
Unless...unless you're from the future?
And the Mio was $250 after taxes. And it didn't do what it was supposed to do. And that was really its only function other than, you know, time and a stopwatch.
And how the hell do you drop a weight on your wrist? On your head? Sure. But on your wrist requires some serious double-jointedness.
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Take my Blinders off? LMAO. I'm not sure which direction to tackle this hilarious post of yours. You made it way too easy.
As far as Samsung making the "bigger" screened phones? That's a funny one. What size screens were their phones when the first iPhone came out?They certainly weren't as big as the original iPhone. Oh, were Samsung's phones all screen with a virtual keyboard? Yeah, don't answer that. You might hurt yourself.
And since you want to equate screen sizes and innovation, then let's go back to year 2003 when Apple introduced the world's first 17" Laptop at Macworld San Francisco. It weighed only 6.8 LBS. Every other company was making 14" and some were doing 15" and they were all close to 10 LBS. Apple also was the first in the industry with a backlit keyboard in a laptop and it used fiber optics.
Yeah, Microsoft is doing so many innovations with the Surface Pro that they have to push out TV ads day and night comparing the Surface Pro 3 to a Macbook Air.
. Yeah, keep trying. The iPad Pro (which is still vaporware will not be a result of Microsoft's Surface Pro 3. If Microsoft can't sell their own product based on it's own merit then Apple has already won that fight. Sorry. There's actually nothing wrong with the HOME button. If you don't care for it that's your problem. Most people don't feel that way. There was a thread that was created a couple of days back here on MR and most everyone that posted loved the HOME button. Yeah, speaking of the Touch I.D., Apple is still the only one that does it right. Samsung's way is such crap. It has to be swiped in a vertical fashion and it's not simple for the end user. I'm willing to bet most users of the Galaxy S5 don't use the fingerprint reader because it sucks so bad.
Oh, and about Apple Pay. Well even though Google's Wallet is already "out there", it's interesting to see that Apple was the one who struck many more relationships with banks and credit card companies and Google is kinda in the dust with that one.
Now after your awesome post, couple with your recent registration I have to wonder what your true agenda is? You're putting Apple down so much on an Apple enthusiasts board while giving so much credit towards their sad competitors. Wonder why?? Hmm.
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I would highly recommend for you to stop while you're not ahead. The iPad was the most innovative tablet on the market. It single-handedly killed the stupid little thing called the Netbook. People laughed at Steve Jobs when he said the iPad was gonna kill the Netbook. Where's the Netbook now?
markusbeutel
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There's actually nothing wrong with the HOME button. If you don't care for it that's your problem. Most people don't feel that way. There was a thread that was created a couple of days back here on MR and most everyone that posted loved the HOME button. Yeah, speaking of the Touch I.D., Apple is still the only one that does it right. Samsung's way is such crap. It has to be swiped in a vertical fashion and it's not simple for the end user. I'm willing to be most users of the Galaxy S5 don't use the fingerprint reader because it sucks so bad.
Oh, and about Apple Pay. Well even though Google's Wallet is already "out there", it's interesting to see that Apple was the one who struck many more relationships with banks and credit card companies and Google is kinda in the dust with that one.
Now after your awesome post, couple with your recent registration I have to wonder what your true agenda is? You're putting Apple down so much on an Apple enthusiasts board while giving so much credit towards their sad competitors. Wonder why?? Hmm.
That's because the Android market is fragmented across hundreds of devices with multiple shepherds, while Apple only has 1 that everyone will follow.
I have no agenda, if you read my first post, I merely state that people don't hate Apple fanbois or Apple products, they hate the fact that you don't call out Apple when they screw up or fail to innovate to the extent that they should considering their market position.
As an example, just think of how if you all complained in unison about bendgate, realizing that your 6+'s are incredibly flimsy below the volume button, future phones would have far better build quality. Instead, by defending Apple and citing 'conspiracies' you merely put the ball back in Apple's court to offer you inferior products for jacked-up prices.
mightyjabba
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I will admit that there was an embarrassing amount of defensiveness when it came to the bending issue, to the point that people were saying that all of the videos on Youtube were faked. But then you have to understand their mindset as well. There really are people who would go so far as to fake a video or bend a phone on purpose and then make up a story about how it happened, just like there are people who will go into Apple Stores to bend the phones just for the hell of it. It's natural to be suspicious, at least to a degree. I just think people took it too far and refused to admit that there might be some sort of issue, even if it wasn't as big a deal as some would have you believe.
That's because the Android market is fragmented across hundreds of devices with multiple shepherds, while Apple only has 1 that everyone will follow.
I have no agenda, if you read my first post, I merely state that people don't hate Apple fanbois or Apple products, they hate the fact that you don't call out Apple when they screw up or fail to innovate to the extent that they should considering their market position.
As an example, just think of how if you all complained in unison about bendgate, realizing that your 6+'s are incredibly flimsy below the volume button, future phones would have far better build quality. Instead, by defending Apple and citing 'conspiracies' you merely put the ball back in Apple's court to offer you inferior products for jacked-up prices.
Oh I went through nearly all of your post history. You most certainly have an agenda here. Then you insult me by telling me to take off my Apple blinders? This is a community for Apple enthusiasts. It's obvious you have different tastes. If you can't do anything other than talk poorly about Apple and their products I suggest you find a forum that you will be much happier in. I assure you, you will not win arguments here. I can tackle anything you try to dish out. You've thrown nothing but uneducated jabs and people here see what you're what up to.
BTW, my iPhone 6 Plus doesn't have any bending issues. I'm not the idiot that purposely uses all his might to bend a phone with his two hands. Nice try but you fail. Samsung set that up. Just as they set up their ads right after Apple's keynote followed by the bending ad of theirs. Pathetic and petty of Samsung. I will never buy another thing they make.
evorc
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Why people "hate" Apple
Thanks to the mod for merging my thread to this. I had no idea there was a similar one already.
Going back to the point of Apple not innovating. Cool keep convincing yourself that. What has Google, Samsung, or Microsoft have done in the past decade? Apple may not necessarily be the first one to invent a particular technology but they know how to make an iconic technology that becomes a norm that everyone follows. Let's see iPod, iPhone, MBA, iPad, Apple TV, and soon the apple watch. What happened after these devices came out and competitors saw their success? Do I need to say more?
Unfortunately Apple is a victim of their own success. People expect them to constantly innovate because they know Apple have introduced products that have change the game and eventually followed and copied by competitors. What they don't realize is that innovation doesn't happen over night or every year. Apple thinks in a different level and produces new products that will eventually enrich and change our lives.
I truly believe much of the hate on Apple is because of ENVY!
Until we see the day Android devices create massive lines on release day, pre-orders selling out, initial supply selling out, and the amount of media coverage, move along with that crap.
Thanks to the mod for merging my thread to this. I had no idea there was a similar one already.
Going back to the point of Apple not innovating. Cool keep convincing yourself that. What has Google, Samsung, or Microsoft have done in the past decade? Apple may not necessarily be the first one to invent a particular technology but they know how to make an iconic technology that becomes a norm that everyone follows. Let's see iPod, iPhone, MBA, iPad, Apple TV, and soon the apple watch. What happened after these devices came out and competitors saw their success? Do I need to say more?
Unfortunately Apple is a victim of their own success. People expect them to constantly innovate because they know Apple have introduced products that have change the game and eventually followed and copied by competitors. What they don't realize is that innovation doesn't happen over night or every year. Apple thinks in a different level and produces new products that will eventually enrich and change our lives.
I truly believe much of the hate on Apple is because of ENVY!
Until we see the day Android devices create massive lines on release day, pre-orders selling out, initial supply selling out, and the amount of media coverage, move along with that crap.
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