Why so excited for the iPhone X ? It's the same old thing running boring iOS

[macTW]

I am totally confused the major hype for the new iPhone X, I just don't get it. It's nothing new at all to really be excited about. And I am super smartphone nerd, total gadget geek.

Because it's running the same old boring iOS, sure the iPhone 8 will be all new tech, catching up to the looks and bezel less display Android phones have had for a year already. But at the end of the day, the fancy new phone wears off quickly, and your left with the OS you use day in, and day out 24/7, and iOS 11 is just like lame boring, locked down iOS 10, which was just like old iOS 9, which was like lame iOS 8, and the Fischer Price toy iOS 7 which started it all.

Who gives two ****s about the new design of the iPhone X, when it's running the same iOS still from iOS 7 basically ? I'd be way more excited and pumped if the new phone was just the iPhone 8 Plus, but with a totally revamped major revision to iOS. That would be breaking news and truly jaw dropping. But right now, this X is basically a Galaxy S8 running iOS. Yawn Once the shiny new toy feeling wears off, it will feel just like the iPhone 7, and iPhone 6S, and iPhone 6, etc...Nothing new at all really here.

To be honest, I fail to see the big excitement for the iPhone X, What's the big deal here ? My point being the OS in it, is the same thing we've seen for years, nothing new here, just old iOS, nothing new. Sure the phone itself is better FINALLY, but that's it.

Thing is I LOVE the iPhone, a Jailbreaked 7 Plus is the best smartphone IMO right now. But only JB iPhone's do it for me, otherwise Nexus / Pixel all the way.

You said it in your title.

You think it's boring. Many do not.

Stop mixing your opinion with fact. It isn't.

 

[v0lume4]

Or like Chevy using a proven LS engine across the line for years and years making improvements here/there because it is proven an everyone loves it?

While I err on @Tig Bitties' side of this argument, I can appreciate the car analogy. Nice.

 

[Tig Bitties]

Honestly, I'm in the same boat as you. I was more interested in seeing what Apple announced at WWDC than what they announce on Tuesday. After WWDC was over, most of my hype for the iPhone 8 dissipated.

I thought 'Great. Cool new phone design (though I find the rumored design a little ugly but I digress), but still running the iOS that we all know.' Having finally tried Android after years of iOS, I'd be tempted to feel that I'd be taking a step backwards going back to iOS.

Full disclaimer: I currently own an Android device. It runs stock Android. I previously owned an iPhone 5 for four years. I know both OS's well.

Thank you, someone understand

I was way more hyped and pumped for the official announcement of iOS 11 back in June, than for Sept. 12 announcement now, hoping Apple was going to reveal a total revamp of the UI and all new design, morose than even iOS 7 was years ago. And with the groundbreaking super cool iPhone X, it needs to have a fresh UI skin from Apple, not the same old iOS 9 / iOS 10 type OS that iOS 11 is.

Oh well, guess only a few of super geeks feel this way.
[doublepost=1505093578][/doublepost]The iPhone is the Bic Mac of burgers ( over a Billion served ), it's the Honda Accord of cars, The Pixel XL is the Ford GT, and gourmet bison burger.

 

[jsmith189]

I honestly think it's "grass is always greener on the other side" syndrome when it comes to choice of OS. Both sides tend to get sick of what they have and want what the other side has because they kinda assume "the rest of the OS functions the same, so I want what I currently use but with THOSE features". Then they switch, get excited for a while at the "extras", but eventually end up missing what they had.

Much like an affair! Exciting at the time, but the moment you come home with your S8 and realise the huge mistake your made...

 

[QueenTyrone]

You said it in your title.

You think it's boring. Many do not.

Stop mixing your opinion with fact. It isn't.

I would say 1/3 of  users don't actually like ios but iMessage is hard to give up. I've been meeting and seeing more people say they only stay for iMessage. Once  allows that new type of messaging to go through I think they will lose a lot of people.

 

[Tig Bitties]

I would say 1/3 of  users don't actually like ios but iMessage is hard to give up. I've been meeting and seeing more people say they only stay for iMessage. Once  allows that new type of messaging to go through I think they will lose a lot of people.

I had the iPhone 7 Plus for five months this year, first iPhone since the 3G, and the only thing I really liked about it was iMessage. It truly is the best texting communication app, blows away Google's offering. Other than that, the phone 7 Plus blew chunks, and felt like a time warp from 5 years ago, super restrictive and just more buttons to press to do stuff, compared to Android with fewer buttons and faster to get simple tasks done. And a laundry list of crap that irked the living hell out of me using it.

But JB, wow, holy cow, Jailbreaked 7 Plus was night and day better, like a whole different phone. Turned it from a stale refrigerator appliance the iPhone is, into a super cool gadget once JB'd.

My point being, as cool as JB is, and the super cool new iPhone X, it deserves a JB type iOS functionally now, and the Jailbreak customization should be baked in standard to the iPhone X. Not just iOS 10.5 they put in the X. iSO 11 ( or iOS 10.5 as I call it ) just doesn't look or seem right for such a cool new iPhone X, it needs better, and Apple could easily have done that.

Oh well, the iPhone 9 will probably get the totally revamped UI in iOS 12.

 

[titrau]

agree ... ios 11 is fix for ios 10
nothing special

dont know why took yrs and appledont have any new plan on ios
.....

 

[thadoggfather]

So what you're saying op is iPhone x looks meh

But once it gets a jailbreak well re discuss?

Sorta how I feel

No dark mode stock on a first OLED iPhone is blasphemy

 

[jkozlow3]

If you want fun go play xbox or find a more engaging hobby. Most people don’t care about customizing to endless crap like jailbreak or Android would offer. I just want a simple stable secured smartphone platform and that to me is iOS.

Couldn't have said it better myself. Every year people come here and talk about how their phone is boring and how they are thinking of switching from iOS to Android.

Newsflash: It's not the phone/OS - It's what you DO on the phone. People buy phones to make calls, send texts, browse the web, take pictures, use social media, navigation and other third party apps, etc. 98% of what you do on the phone is going to be the same regardless of whether you're using iOS or Android.

If you are looking for something "exciting" a phone is not where you are going to find it. Buy a phone because it has the features and OS you want/prefer. I never got any "excitement" out of Windows or MacOS - they are simply operating systems that allow me to accomplish something more.

 

[QueenTyrone]

I had the iPhone 7 Plus for five months this year, first iPhone since the 3G, and the only thing I really liked about it was iMessage. It truly is the best texting communication app, blows away Google's offering. Other than that, the phone 7 Plus blew chunks, and felt like a time warp from 5 years ago, super restrictive and just more buttons to press to do stuff, compared to Android with fewer buttons and faster to get simple tasks done. And a laundry list of crap that irked the living hell out of me using it.

But JB, wow, holy cow, Jailbreaked 7 Plus was night and day better, like a whole different phone. Turned it from a stale refrigerator appliance the iPhone is, into a super cool gadget once JB'd.

While jailbreak is cool and all its not worth it anymore. I'm on 10.1.1 and have constant issues, I ruled out that the pros outweigh the cons. People aren't giving high quality jailbreaks because certain exploits are worth upwards of 500,000.00. I literally just had a kernel panic 5 minutes ago and now I'm stock....it will take me 1-2 hours of constant trying to get rejailbroken again, most people don't want those issues. Not to mention a slowed device if they don't free up ram (aka deleting files that don't need to be messed with), it can be unstable, and fixing the issues takes a lot of time, effort, and energy.....which ios users don't want to waste. And 3rd party keyboards if you don't modify the ram in files are horrible. I had to give mine 300 instead of the 60 mb they get and I still get lag real bad.

 

[Tig Bitties]

So what you're saying op is iPhone x looks meh

But once it gets a jailbreak well re discuss?

Sorta how I feel

No dark mode stock on a first OLED iPhone is blasphemy

Now if there's a stable JB for iOS 11.1 on the X, I will be first in line to plop down some ca$h for the iPhone X.

Yeah no dark mode on the first OLED display from Apple, are you ***** kidding me Tim Cook ? Come on man.

 

[jsmith189]

No dark mode stock on a first OLED iPhone is blasphemy

I wonder if they haven't added it because "oLeD iS a SeCrEt" for now, and it'll come in like 11.1 - or when the OLED screen becomes the standard for all models. I'm not part of the crowd that really cares about night mode honestly, but it would make sense given the shift to OLED.

 

[thadoggfather]

I wonder if they haven't added it because "oLeD iS a SeCrEt" for now, and it'll come in like 11.1 - or when the OLED screen becomes the standard for all models. I'm not part of the crowd that really cares about night mode honestly, but it would make sense given the shift to OLED.

If you saw pure blacks across the entire UI, instead of looking directly into a backlight, and seeing the text and lines look like they’re floating and inked on the screen, you’d probably feel differently honestly.

That all black wallpaper is going to blow peoples minds. You heard it here first.

Including probably mine too

 

[joeblow7777]

I would say 1/3 of  users don't actually like ios but iMessage is hard to give up. I've been meeting and seeing more people say they only stay for iMessage. Once  allows that new type of messaging to go through I think they will lose a lot of people.

I've never understood why iMessage is such a big deal to people. You can text people whether you use iMessage or not. And if you don't want to use SMS, there's about a million messaging apps. What'sApp, Facebook Messenger, Hangouts, etc.

 

[jsmith189]

If you saw pure blacks across the entire UI, instead of looking directly into a backlight, and seeing the text and lines look like they’re floating and inked on the screen, you’d probably feel differently honestly.

That all black wallpaper is going to blow peoples minds. You heard it here first.

Including probably mine

Hahaha, yeah I'm excited to see it - I just mean in general, "night mode" has never really been a huge thing for me. Having said that though, I use the "dark" mode on macOS, so you're probably right. Would probably take seeing iOS in night mode to really appreciate it.

 

[thadoggfather]

I've never understood why iMessage is such a big deal to people. You can text people whether you use iMessage or not. And if you don't want to use SMS, there's about a million messaging apps. What'sApp, Facebook Messenger, Hangouts, etc.

I think its more one of those, use what their friends use, kinda thing

They’re not going to be happy using an app just to communicate with one person

 

[jsmith189]

I've never understood why iMessage is such a big deal to people. You can text people whether you use iMessage or not. And if you don't want to use SMS, there's about a million messaging apps. What'sApp, Facebook Messenger, Hangouts, etc.

Speaking for someone with a huge majority of my friends living overseas, iMessage is the one absolute must have for any OS. Sure you can get third party apps, but they're just that - third party - which is a total nuisance when you have to get everyone to download them. iMessage "just works".

 

[thadoggfather]

Hahaha, yeah I'm excited to see it - I just mean in general, "night mode" has never really been a huge thing for me. Having said that though, I use the "dark" mode on macOS, so you're probably right. Would probably take seeing iOS in night mode to really appreciate it.

Yeah even with a backlight/LED, Eclipse (jailbroken dark theme tweak for iOS) has been one of my favorites since iOS 7

If there was a dark mode on iOS 6 and below, I never used it. Skeuomorphism had enough going on.

But by iOS 7, so. Much. White. Space.

If jailbreak community beats Apple to the punch, with a dark theme, on iPhone X (i.e. they either don’t incorporate one ever, or drag their feet on when they release one if its in the pipeline which I’m dubious of now) it will be outright embarrassing imo.

And a show stopper for jailbreakers.

 

[eyoungren]

Tell me which Android phone has continuity? The same app ecosystem? The Apple ecosystem?

....

None. This is why us that are invested into Apple are really excited about the X. We finally get an up to date phone looks wise and we get to keep our wonderful ecosystem.

I'm just going to address this because the Apple ecosystem is something that is routinely pulled out as the one trump card that will cause all non-Apple arguments to fail.

My question is…what if you don't use the Apple ecosystem?

Tell me. How do I get the Apple ecosystem to work with a 2003 17" PowerBook G4 and three PowerMac G5s, all running OS X Leopard 10.5.8?

Easy right? Just buy a new Mac running the latest version of OS X.

Only…I don't want to. My Macs work and do everything I need them to do. So, what do I do?

I use third party services. Dropbox, Google, workarounds (such as jailbreaking), etc. Apple allows that, which is great.

But that also begs a question. If I'm using third party services to achieve what the Apple ecosystem brings to the user then what advantage is the Apple ecosystem?

I see no advantage.

I like using Apple devices and jailbreaking makes things the way I want them to be. I have my issues with the UI design of iOS, but that's a different argument. But Apple's ecosystem is NOT what brought me to Apple.

I can't even use it.

 

[jkozlow3]

I've never understood why iMessage is such a big deal to people. You can text people whether you use iMessage or not. And if you don't want to use SMS, there's about a million messaging apps. What'sApp, Facebook Messenger, Hangouts, etc.

Integration.

Who wants to bother with getting all of their friends/family to download a third party app in order to communicate? That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard.

 

[QueenTyrone]

I've never understood why iMessage is such a big deal to people. You can text people whether you use iMessage or not. And if you don't want to use SMS, there's about a million messaging apps. What'sApp, Facebook Messenger, Hangouts, etc.

iMessage tends to only be big in the states and some parts of the UK. Most other countries I know use the other services mentioned. if you have iMessage you receive messages faster, don't need to have a data plan or a text plan, sends higher rate photos and videos much faster and group chats are better and the main issue is texts between Android and iOS often get lost...Especially if you're in group chats. People with iMessage will get every text while it is not the same for a person with an Android in that group chat.

 

[eyoungren]

I don't know anyone with a jailbroken iPhone so I have never seen anything other than what they give me from Apple.

Well…now you know two people!

OP (Tig Bitties) and me.

Jailbroken on an iPhone 6s+ with iOS 9.0.2. I've also got a 4s running iOS 6.1.3. It was running iOS 9.3.5 for a while, but the Phoenix jailbreak dropped so I was able to jailbreak it and downgrade the 4s to iOS 6.

Oh yeah! iPad Air 2 on iOS 8.1, also jailbroken.

Been jailbreaking since a 3GS and iOS 5 in 2011.

 

[thadoggfather]

It’s also just absurd they don’t incorporate a dark theme at launch too, because having most of the screen turned off to render blacks, will result in tangible battery life increases with an OLED display

 

[penajmz]

I'm just going to address this because the Apple ecosystem is something that is routinely pulled out as the one trump card that will cause all non-Apple arguments to fail.

My question is…what if you don't use the Apple ecosystem?

Tell me. How do I get the Apple ecosystem to work with a 2003 17" PowerBook G4 and three PowerMac G5s, all running OS X Leopard 10.5.8?

Easy right? Just buy a new Mac running the latest version of OS X.

Only…I don't want to. My Macs work and do everything I need them to do. So, what do I do?

I use third party services. Dropbox, Google, workarounds (such as jailbreaking), etc. Apple allows that, which is great.

But that also begs a question. If I'm using third party services to achieve what the Apple ecosystem brings to the user then what advantage is the Apple ecosystem?

I see no advantage.

I like using Apple devices and jailbreaking makes things the way I want them to be. I have my issues with the UI design of iOS, but that's a different argument. But Apple's ecosystem is NOT what brought me to Apple.

I can't even use it.

Then my comment wouldn't apply to you.

You're using a 14 year old computer and expect to get all current features? That's not how technology works, not just Apple. I recently updated my MBP but I was using a 2009 MBP and I was able to use the Apple ecosystem just fine.

In my opinion, using third party services is great but personally I prefer all the integration using Apple services has and the convenience of it. Just iCloud across all my devices is worth it to me.

 

[eyoungren]

Integration.

Who wants to bother with getting all of their friends/family to download a third party app in order to communicate? That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard.

Getting friends/family to dowload a third party app that is cross platform would probably be easier than getting friends/family to buy Apple devices just for the convenience of iMessage.

Fortunately, my mom went iPhone a long time ago.

But I have friends and family using multiple devices. iMessage or SMS/MMS it really doesn't matter. I text them in the form they will receive it in.

I even have friends who have Apple devices but all their messages are SMS/MMS.

PS. I don't use third party messaging apps, for precisely the reason you mention.
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Then my comment wouldn't apply to you.

You're using a 14 year old computer and expect to get all current features? That's not how technology works, not just Apple. I recently updated my MBP but I was using a 2009 MBP and I was able to use the Apple ecosystem just fine.

In my opinion, using third party services is great but personally I prefer all the integration using Apple services has and the convenience of it. Just iCloud across all my devices is worth it to me.

No, you misunderstand me.

I am using 14 year old technology because it works for me. But I do NOT expect current features to work with it. That wasn't my point.

My point was to say that Apple's ecosystem is held up as this great thing, this one advantage Apple has over everyone else. But it isn't. At least I don't see it that way. Third party services go a long way in closing the gap on that.

So, the argument that Apple's ecosystem is this wonderful thing that levels any counterarguments just doesn't apply in my case.

But especially so because none of the devices I use could utiize any of that anyway.

The fact that I CAN use new features with 14 year old devices through third party services does I think say something though. And that is that Apple's 'advantage' with their ecosystem is not really an advantage at all.