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Why So Many Geeks Do Not Get the iPad
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Yes I think a flap will be an excellent replacement of the current CEO of apple.
Why do you guys fail to get my point? I'm not talking about who hates Apple. My post was the answer to fertilized-egg's post on Apple A5. I'm NOT TALKING ABOUT WHO HATES APPLE.
Geeks don't like their power of spec talk taken away by intuitive products, because normally people won't need their help (or get geeks to provide "optimization" and problem fixing) when there are intuitive products.
LOL. So you think a person cannot learn a lesson?
Do you think Steve did not reflect on his life? You must think he is stupid.
LOL. So you think a person cannot learn a lesson?
Do you think Steve did not reflect on his life? You must think he is stupid.
This is what you posted that I replied to:
"I'm not declaring anyone hater or troll, its always that PC guys hate Apple. They find one or the other thing to trash Apple. This time they couldn't find any, OS is good, apps are great, good hardware. They're not complaining now and thats what I pointed out."
So who else would disagree, hate or whatever adjective you chose besides a pc person?
Jobs and Apple have become what they abhorred back in the 80's. They were anti-IBM, anti Microsoft, anti-big corporation. They believed in freedom of choice. My how times have changed.
That was the answer to fertilized-egg when he said no one is talking/appreciating Apple A5 which technically has the best GPU. And whatever you've quoted now was an answer to al1cre's post which quoted a part of my answer to fertilized-egg's post. Take time to read this thread, I'm not talking about who hates Apple. It was just to show that all PC guys pointing out that iPad didn't have good hardware have now shut up.
I think they still believe in freedom of choice, and that they provide a better one.
I think you've got the wrong Steve. Wozniak has always been the "let's let people do whatever they want with it" sort of guy; Jobs has always been the my way or no way guy.
For example, dealing with hardware expandability on the original Mac:
http://www.folklore.org/StoryView.py?project=Macintosh&story=Diagnostic_Port.txt
I'm having a hard enough time trying to convince my wife it's a good purchase for ME, and the benefits she could have by having it around the house for her to use as well. She remains unconvinced. That's the problem when you have someone like me, a geek (Android phone, Windows 7 systems at work, OS X at home, Linux servers co-located) employed in the IT industry and someone like her, a non-geek (who is perfectly capable of using a computer) but doesn't care for all of the bells and whistles modern devices provide.
same with me man...
that's why I decided to start developing apps. Now i get to buy all the new products as company expenses and for "development purpose"
now she can't say much because it makes money.That makes logical sense, but does not make it a fact. And let's say it's true, the media's in love with Steve Jobs. How do you train a person to have charisma? Companies with superstar CEOs sometimes cause a vacuum when the star is gone.
Did he have to come out on Wednesday to present the new stuff? He's on leave. However who here was not glad when they saw him walking out? The presentation by someone else just would not have been the same. Steve Jobs has rock start status (among other labels) in the tech world. When he's gone, so will much of the dream be gone.
Because it's not pure spec love, it's what the spec enables or inhibits. The GPU in the iPad was a limiting factor in a very small subset of situations (slowdown in very graphically intense games with many visual elements), and only affected a small portion of the user base on a very occasional basis.
The lack of RAM, however, rears its ugly head for even most casual users on an exceedingly regular basis. The inability to load multiple light-content tabs in a web browser simultaneously, or a single page and another app like a modest game at the same time, seriously inhibits usability on a daily basis.
I don't do anything groundbreaking with my iPad--some webbrowsing, netflix, reading The Daily, checking the weather, etc. I don't even play many games (just a litle PvZ and Fruit Ninja on rare occasion), but the lack of memory hampers even my own limited use. And every week when I sync, there are at least a half-dozen App.CRASH files and 2 or 3 dozen LowMemory.CRASH files being sent to Apple (because I don't let iTunes force me to ignore them). That is inadequate spec for the basic operation of the device. More is always better, of course, but iPad 1 is in a situation where more would be JUST ENOUGH.
Would it be nice if the iPad 2 had 1GB of RAM? It's not really necessary right now to ensure usability of the device, since 512MB is effect 5x the usable memory of 256MB. 1GB would make for a longer tail (more months/years before it becomes a limiting factor), but 512 will get the job done right now. 256 didn't do it last year, and it sure as hell doesn't now. THAT'S why people are making a big deal of the memory, and not the GPU.
QFT. ...or how about giving them credit for creating the tablet market overnight and still providing, a year later, the only tablet worth owning.
This is not true.
It's all in the software.
If Xoom had been released last year before the iPad, no doubt it would have been saddled with an operating system tha was not user friendly or tablet optimised. (prob windows 7 starter)... It would have bombed.
It was for that reason 2010 saw all other manufactures go back to the drawing board and abandon the windows tablets they were all going to rush to Market.
When Apple revealed the iPad other manufacturers realised it wasn't about specs it was about software.
Ironically now they have the software courtesy of google, the only way they can differentiate themselves from the iPad experience is buy harkening on about better specs, and yet 15 millions sales prove it's not about the specs.
The reason geeks don't get the iPad, is that its not for them. It's for the millions of users who use their computers mostly for surfing the web, looking at FACEBOOK, checking emails, viewing photos, listening to music - those things the iPad does exceptionally well.
Geeks (especially those who keep going on about Android) may want to tinker with their device, download alternative home launchers, mess about with task killers after all the launchers and widgets begin eating up all that extra memory their device holds. Geeks don't mind 'rooting' as much as Apple geeks like Jailbreaking. But these remain the minority of actual users.
Sure competition is good, and because of Honeycomb we can rest assured iOS 5 will see a lot of extra new features. However despite the competition, I still predict Apple to keep their lead.
As much as most people refer to their MP3 player as an iPod, the tablet will be forever synomonous with the iPad and that is a testament to what it does right, and not it's technical specifications.
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Why (some) Geeks hate Apple - and the iPad especially:
1) It represents a threat to their livelihood. Many tech people make their living installing, fixing, and training people and companies how to use computer equipment. People who use Apple products tend not to need this sort of service.
2) People in the tech. industry have been whining about "newbies" for a generation or so. (I can remember the gnashing of teeth that accompanied the swarm of AOL users onto the Internet in 1993.) But up until quite recently grandmas, infants, and house cats were totally unable to use computing devices. Not so with the iPad.
3) Tech. writers don't like the iPad because it makes their job (writing about the computer business) boring. Every one of them knows darned well that the iPad (and esp. version 2) blows all of the competition away. But if they were to actually tell the truth it would a) probably cut into the amount of advertising they got from competing manufacturers and b) invite a storm of outrage from the nerds who troll their site.
4) A lot of tech. people are simply envious of Apple's success. Apple was pretty close to bankruptcy in the late 1990s. Many people thought they should simply license their OS, start making PC clones, or just liquidate. In ten years Apple has gone from afterthought to the most valuable (and talked about) tech firm in the world. And many tech nerds are still living in their parents basements.
5) Many tech nerds think that digital content (movies, games, software, music) ought to be free. This is a debate that goes back to the days of Bill Gates "Open Letter to Hobbyists" where he complained that many people had taken his version of BASIC, without paying for it. (Gates complained that the royalties he'd received added up to "$2 an hour") Of course Gates went on to do alright for himself.
But anytime you hear some Geek raving about the glories of "Open Source" software - he really means "free - and makes it easy to copy stuff without paying for it." This - by the way - is a big reason the Android Market is such a festering sewer.
6) Tech people tend to be "left brain" types of people. This is good, in that favors logical and analytical thinking. But it also tends to overlook "right brain" thinking - which tends to be more holistic, and intuitive. A "left brain" person sees more RAM and a faster processor and thinks "better." A right-brain person sees the whole device: not just how well does it go together, but actually how well it works.
7) Tech people also tend to be somewhat self-involved. Working with computers, and playing online games - rather than working with actual people - will tend to reinforce this. But you see it in a lot of their online posts, which tend to use the word "I" a lot. I'm thinking of a Xoom.. The iPad doesn't meet my needs, etc. Apple products, stores, and as a company - is more collaborative and communal in nature.
8) A lot of tech nerds are teenage boys. Having been a teenage boy myself at one point, I feel quite free in saying that they are generally unpleasant. They also have a strong interest in looking at Internet pornography sites - many of which rely on Adobe Flash. They also tend to be aggressive and illmannered. Why else would someone come to an online forum dedicated to Apple and Apple products, and post comments decrying people who buy Apple devices as fools and "sheeple"?
1) It represents a threat to their livelihood. Many tech people make their living installing, fixing, and training people and companies how to use computer equipment. People who use Apple products tend not to need this sort of service.
2) People in the tech. industry have been whining about "newbies" for a generation or so. (I can remember the gnashing of teeth that accompanied the swarm of AOL users onto the Internet in 1993.) But up until quite recently grandmas, infants, and house cats were totally unable to use computing devices. Not so with the iPad.
3) Tech. writers don't like the iPad because it makes their job (writing about the computer business) boring. Every one of them knows darned well that the iPad (and esp. version 2) blows all of the competition away. But if they were to actually tell the truth it would a) probably cut into the amount of advertising they got from competing manufacturers and b) invite a storm of outrage from the nerds who troll their site.
4) A lot of tech. people are simply envious of Apple's success. Apple was pretty close to bankruptcy in the late 1990s. Many people thought they should simply license their OS, start making PC clones, or just liquidate. In ten years Apple has gone from afterthought to the most valuable (and talked about) tech firm in the world. And many tech nerds are still living in their parents basements.
5) Many tech nerds think that digital content (movies, games, software, music) ought to be free. This is a debate that goes back to the days of Bill Gates "Open Letter to Hobbyists" where he complained that many people had taken his version of BASIC, without paying for it. (Gates complained that the royalties he'd received added up to "$2 an hour") Of course Gates went on to do alright for himself.
But anytime you hear some Geek raving about the glories of "Open Source" software - he really means "free - and makes it easy to copy stuff without paying for it." This - by the way - is a big reason the Android Market is such a festering sewer.
6) Tech people tend to be "left brain" types of people. This is good, in that favors logical and analytical thinking. But it also tends to overlook "right brain" thinking - which tends to be more holistic, and intuitive. A "left brain" person sees more RAM and a faster processor and thinks "better." A right-brain person sees the whole device: not just how well does it go together, but actually how well it works.
7) Tech people also tend to be somewhat self-involved. Working with computers, and playing online games - rather than working with actual people - will tend to reinforce this. But you see it in a lot of their online posts, which tend to use the word "I" a lot. I'm thinking of a Xoom.. The iPad doesn't meet my needs, etc. Apple products, stores, and as a company - is more collaborative and communal in nature.
8) A lot of tech nerds are teenage boys. Having been a teenage boy myself at one point, I feel quite free in saying that they are generally unpleasant. They also have a strong interest in looking at Internet pornography sites - many of which rely on Adobe Flash. They also tend to be aggressive and illmannered. Why else would someone come to an online forum dedicated to Apple and Apple products, and post comments decrying people who buy Apple devices as fools and "sheeple"?
Sigh. I've thought many things about Steve Jobs. Many good, some not as complimentary, but I've never thought or implied I thought he was stupid.
It's much easier to learn a technical skill than teach someone else to have your vision and insight. I'm sure he now thinks he made a mistake with Scully, but that doesn't mean he does (or doesn't) know the right person to fill his shoes. All I said was "Time will tell." I don't know where you get I thought he's stupid from that. None of this is personal.
All this "specs don't matter" is like full BS.
RAM is a bad user experience factor in first iPad.
Try to open like 5 apps and see them closing themselves because Safari can't handle 6 open tabs at the same time.
For those who say this isn't necessary, speak for yourself.
There are tablets for each kind of user in the world.
The iPad is good for people who do simple things.
The Xoom is good for people who do heavy things.
That's simple.
Apple fanboys should start to recognize that the iPad isn't superior in every factor.
Today, making a simple review of the operational system and excluding the App Store / Android Market, it's safe to say that Honeycomb is more modern than iOS 4.2.1.
If you fanboys want to deny that, go ahead.
Go and take a look at every review on the web. Most of them tell you how Honeycomb, except for the Android Market, is far superior than iOS in almost every factor.
Also, that user experience **** that people talk about iOS is becoming BS.
Web browsing and multitasking in Android is far superior than in iOS.
Accept it or not, that's a fact.
Let's hope iOS 5 and iPad 2 change this scenario.
RAM is a bad user experience factor in first iPad.
Try to open like 5 apps and see them closing themselves because Safari can't handle 6 open tabs at the same time.
For those who say this isn't necessary, speak for yourself.
There are tablets for each kind of user in the world.
The iPad is good for people who do simple things.
The Xoom is good for people who do heavy things.
That's simple.
Apple fanboys should start to recognize that the iPad isn't superior in every factor.
Today, making a simple review of the operational system and excluding the App Store / Android Market, it's safe to say that Honeycomb is more modern than iOS 4.2.1.
If you fanboys want to deny that, go ahead.
Go and take a look at every review on the web. Most of them tell you how Honeycomb, except for the Android Market, is far superior than iOS in almost every factor.
Also, that user experience **** that people talk about iOS is becoming BS.
Web browsing and multitasking in Android is far superior than in iOS.
Accept it or not, that's a fact.
Let's hope iOS 5 and iPad 2 change this scenario.
i think Apple are trying to get away from anouncing specs all together, and just showing what a product can do.
If you want to browse the web, or look up a video on youtube, grab the ipad and do it. Dont worry about the internals.
You dont see people on star trek shouting, "Crap! You've handed me the phazer control unit with only 2GB of RAM!!"
Far fetched and silly example i know, but this is Apple's dream.
Ps. Dont ask me what a phazer control unit is!
If you want to browse the web, or look up a video on youtube, grab the ipad and do it. Dont worry about the internals.
You dont see people on star trek shouting, "Crap! You've handed me the phazer control unit with only 2GB of RAM!!"
Far fetched and silly example i know, but this is Apple's dream.
Ps. Dont ask me what a phazer control unit is!
You're right, it wouldn't.. and it would be because of the operating system. iOS brought smart phone OSes to the mass market. Past the threshold of mass market acceptance, more complicated OSes like Android can make headway.
Initiator, Android is not.
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You realize your opinions involve putting others down with each item you listed. Most of it is (IMHO) misdirected and wrong, but opinions differ. I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm saying *I* think you're wrong. A PC user reading what you wrote might certainly take offense.
In most cases, ease of use usually means the more complicated or specialized needs or options are removed. Options require users making choices and if you have a lot of choices it makes an interface more complicated. With the original Mac, Apple said users didn't need a color monitor and users did't want a two button mouse ... and lots of other such decisions. Most recently Apple has decided that a 7" tablet isn't right. Sometimes these declarations are based on research. Sometimes they say user's don't want something because they don't offer it. That's called marketing. Some people take that as rather condescending. Some people might actually want or see a lot of potential for a tablet device that offers (just as an example) better multitasking, not just multitasking only those type of apps that Apple wants to allow. What they want to do might require running several apps concurrently in a way that might take more than 256MB of RAM. Just because they want to use a device differently than you do does not mean they should be marginalized or put down.
I like my iPad a lot, but there are limitations that I find annoying too. It's not perfect, and honestly, I find the pace that Apple is taking on advancing the iPad glacial and marketing ($) oriented rather than user oriented. That's their right of course. It's just my opinion. I don't think less of anyone that disagrees with me, and just because I don't think it's perfect doesn't mean I don't "get it."
You're absolutely right about consumers not caring about what's under the hood. It was like that even in the PC era I would argue. Now, the 5% of the consumers who are huge tech enthusiasts care about the specs but no one else does. Does it run Word? Web browse? DVD's/Blurays? These are the things real people care about.
I hate fanboys of any nature but PC elitists are very snobby.
I hate fanboys of any nature but PC elitists are very snobby.