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Why would ANYONE actually prefer stock instead of jailbreak?

As far as I can tell, if I want something basic like timely os updates or apps only available for certain phones, I have to hack most android phones; I'm not interested in a phone that forces me to hack it.
Also, my life is invested in itunes, my mac and ipad, icloud and the apple ecosystem in general; it's not as heavy as some, but still pretty substantial. Additionally, I only trust google so far. I'm willing to let them handle my e-mail and searches, but I'm not interested in giving them anymore. Android is so far up google's ass, you might as well do a colonoscopy.

It's not a requirement for me to hack my phone. If I couldn't jb my phone ever again, I'd still have an enjoyable ios experience.

For me, ios is like ice cream. It's great by itself, but the chocolate, nuts and other toppings make it even more special. On the other hand, android is like brown rice. By itself, it's not enough; you have to add veggies and/or tofu to make it a meal.

If anyone wants to jb, I really suggest you read the hack section for a week or two. Read all the posts where someone cries that something went wrong. Read the solutions too, because you'll need to know them; google all the terms that you don't understand. Most of the issues posted are easily fixable if you know/understand what you're doing; the problem people, unfortunately, didn't bother to learn.

sracer said:
But why do you buy a phone that you need to jailbreak when Android phones can be customized without the need to jailbreak? What is so compelling about the iPhone? Is it as simple as being rebellious? (I'm going to do it because Apple says I can't)

Disclaimer: I own an iPhone 4 and really enjoy using it, but am curious about the reasons for going that JB route.
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Mine is stock purely because even if I followed instructions from somebody on here on how to do it ,to the letter, it would go wrong , kill my phone, shut down the entire network, cause a tsunami and probably strangle my cat.

I'm not that technically savvy:D
 
Why do people prefer Starbucks drive-thru rather than crafting their own gourmet coffee at home?

Other thing to do. Priorities.
 
BaldiMac said:
So you posted a link to an article that has nothing to do with what I said. Fancy. Maybe you should actually read it.

The exception that the article that you are talking about was about exempting jailbreaking from the DMCA for specific purposes. In this case, it makes it legal to circumvent restrictions that prevent you from installing otherwise compatible apps. Jailbreaking is legal for this use.

However, that does not make it legal to modify iOS in order to add additional functionality. The DMCA exemption is not a get out of jail free card for copyright infringement. Apple has exclusive rights under copyright law to modify iOS and create "derivative works", subject to specific limitations, of course.



Absolutely. Isn't that what we were talking about?



Awfully convenient that people that disagree with you are mindless fanboys. You can probably win every argument by just calling them names.

I'm not questioning your claim because I am a mindless fanboy, I'm questioning your claim because I respect the rights of creators under copyright law, and I believe your actions that you described are clearly illegal.
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Congrats on setting up so many strawmen the sun is blocked out. And then moving goalposts. Trying to find them....

Let's look at just one item, I'm already beyond bored with your ignorance..... I mentioned toggles. In case you don't know, Apple already gave you the ability to turn wifi on and off. Really! Apple did that! I can now do that from my lock screen. I haven't modified anything in iOS, I've merely added an app that gives me this useful button where it is actually useful. So, what exactly is it I'm doing wrong? (btw, I paid for it, too)

Also, yes, the govt coming down and stating that this is not copyright infringement does actually mean it is not copyright infringement, despite your assertions, whomever you are. If they change that tomorrow afternoon, we'll have a different discussion. But, not today.

Hey, accuse me of something else that isn't true. So far I'm a pirate, a Federal criminal, and I use the Fanboy word. Keep going, I'm building up a libel case. I'm sure you can come up with more, right?

So far, all of your comments towards me have been about your opinion of the ethics. Maybe you don't see that. But your claims that you are speaking about law are 100% invalid. And ethically speaking, morally speaking.....no, I do not find anything wrong with being able to easily turn wifi on/off when I want. (or the other uses) Copyrights are to protect authors from losing money by another person stealing their work, using it to make money themselves without paying the author. However, there are exceptions for fair use in teaching and various other uses. I am not doing anything close to this kind of theft, jbing for me is simply about using the phone more easily. And I presume that was the reasoning behind the govt's decision to say jbing is not illegal, it in no way is stealing IP.

And, the article...don't know what you are reading: But the Copyright Office concluded that, “while a copyright owner might try to restrict the programs that can be run on a particular operating system, copyright law is not the vehicle for imposition of such restrictions.”

Everything I do comes from installing such programs (apps). Maybe you don't know that. Perhaps you've confused custom Android ROMs with iOS jailbreaking.
 
JAT said:
Congrats on setting up so many strawmen the sun is blocked out. And then moving goalposts. Trying to find them....

Let's look at just one item, I'm already beyond bored with your ignorance.....
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Please stop with the insults and stick to the issues.

I mentioned toggles. In case you don't know, Apple already gave you the ability to turn wifi on and off. Really! Apple did that! I can now do that from my lock screen. I haven't modified anything in iOS, I've merely added an app that gives me this useful button where it is actually useful. So, what exactly is it I'm doing wrong? (btw, I paid for it, too)
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That's one thing you mentioned. Apple didn't provide a way for third parties to add toggles (I assume to the notification center.) So iOS was necessarily modified to allow this feature.

Also, yes, the govt coming down and stating that this is not copyright infringement does actually mean it is not copyright infringement, despite your assertions, whomever you are. If they change that tomorrow afternoon, we'll have a different discussion. But, not today.
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Sigh. Except the government said no such thing. Read the article or my explanation.

Copyrights are to protect authors from losing money by another person stealing their work, using it to make money themselves without paying the author. However, there are exceptions for fair use in teaching and various other uses. I am not doing anything close to this kind of theft, jbing for me is simply about using the phone more easily.
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You have a very self serving view of copyright. As I pointed out, one of the exclusive rights granted to a copyright holder is the right to create derivative works, subject to specific limitations such as fair use. When you modify iOS to add additional functionality, you are creating a derivative work. It's simple, straightforward copyright law.

And I presume that was the reasoning behind the govt's decision to say jbing is not illegal, it in no way is stealing IP.
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Again, jailbreaking itself is not illegal. Nor is providing the tools to jailbreak. That is the point of the DMCA exception. However, that doesn't mean that anything you do after you jailbreak is exempt from copyright law.

And, the article...don't know what you are reading: But the Copyright Office concluded that, “while a copyright owner might try to restrict the programs that can be run on a particular operating system, copyright law is not the vehicle for imposition of such restrictions.”
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Exactly.

Everything I do comes from installing such programs (apps). Maybe you don't know that. Perhaps you've confused custom Android ROMs with iOS jailbreaking.
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The part that you are missing is that some/most of the hacks that you described involved modifying iOS to create additional functionality. That has nothing to do with the DMCA or the exception. Basically, the exception allows you to install an app that Apple bans from the App Store for business reasons.
 
Jailbreaking only appeals to me for tethering for free. However after the shared plans came out I can move to a 10GB plan (wife and I) and keep the same monthly payment AND get tethering. That is a win/win and I can always stay current with iOS updates. If I stay with unlimited my data gets capped at 3GB or 5GB LTE respectively a month and I have to jailbreak to tether. Right now I get hit EVERY month saying I went over 3GB a month...and I ONLY use iTunes Match. I do not do pandora, netflix anything else over 3G just iTunes Match so to hit that cap every month kind of sucks. I know 5GB would probably help that but then I still cannot tether, without jailbreaking. So to me, it makes perfect sense to upgrade to the shared plan, get 10GB a month (since wife barely uses her data) and tether to my ipad/mba whenever I need as I travel a lot for work.

So I cannot wait for LTE iPhone and iOS 6....that is going to be SWEET.
 
Let me get this straight. I claim you are ignorant of how iOS and jailbreaking works. THAT you claim is an insult. But you call me an international felon, apparently thinking that verbiage is acceptable? Maybe you should get a few more years under your belt, try adding a little wisdom to your knowledge. (after you get some knowledge)

BaldiMac said:
The part that you are missing is that some/most of the hacks that you described involved modifying iOS to create additional functionality. That has nothing to do with the DMCA or the exception. Basically, the exception allows you to install an app that Apple bans from the App Store for business reasons.
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All tweaks (sold in Cydia) come through apps. Maybe you need to understand the OS more before mouthing off. If you are going to define what these apps do as "modifying iOS", then every single app with Notifications ability on the App Store is illegal.

There is no iOS mod, you don't know what you are talking about. Do you even own an iDevice? God, you don't even know that apps are allowed in Notification Center. What?

This is just asinine. Respond to yourself from now on. I'm done.
 
Pro-Jailbreakers:

There is no point in arguing with the non-jailbreakers about the pros and cons of doing it.

I can smell the ignorance from all of the ones that say it "slows down your iPhone."

Even more so on the ones that say it only allows for a couple of tweaks.

The fact is, if most of these people downloaded the right sources and tweaks, they wouldn't be able to go back to stock. Stock is brutal after having the freedom to use your phone anyway you want.
 
JAT said:
Blah, blah, blah
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Please don't. I never said that.

All tweaks (sold in Cydia) come through apps.
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Yep. But all apps don't do legal things.

If you are going to define what these apps do as "modifying iOS", then every single app with Notifications ability on the App Store is illegal.
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Not true at all. There is a difference between an app using the system as it was designed and modifying the system without Apple's permission to provide additional functionality by iOS.

There is no iOS mod, you don't know what you are talking about. Do you even own an iDevice? God, you don't even know that apps are allowed in Notification Center. What?
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Stop making stuff up. The difference between standard iOS notifications and modifying Notification Center to add a toggle should be pretty clear.

This is just asinine. Respond to yourself from now on. I'm done.
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Or maybe you could try and understand what I'm saying instead of hurling insults every other sentence. It could be possible that I have a better understanding of copyright law than you do.
 
Sean4123 said:
Pro-Jailbreakers:

There is no point in arguing with the non-jailbreakers about the pros and cons of doing it.

I can smell the ignorance from all of the ones that say it "slows down your iPhone."

Even more so on the ones that say it only allows for a couple of tweaks.

The fact is, if most of these people downloaded the right sources and tweaks, they wouldn't be able to go back to stock. Stock is brutal after having the freedom to use your phone anyway you want.
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From my experience, jailbreaking caused issues on my 4S. I ONLY installed tetherme, NO OTHER APPS, and I had random issues. Example the battery percentage meter would disappear, even though it shows enabled in settings. Locked my iphone it shows up, unlock it disappears. I had lots of weird things like that and yes, it was slower than stock. Please dont say its ignorance when people say it slows down your iPhone from jailbreaking...it might not be every person but there is truth to this.
 
Sean4123 said:
Pro-Jailbreakers:

There is no point in arguing with the non-jailbreakers about the pros and cons of doing it.

I can smell the ignorance from all of the ones that say it "slows down your iPhone."

Even more so on the ones that say it only allows for a couple of tweaks.

The fact is, if most of these people downloaded the right sources and tweaks, they wouldn't be able to go back to stock. Stock is brutal after having the freedom to use your phone anyway you want.
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And I can smell the bigotry.

It is often said, do what you like with your phone, but do not want to force others to think like you.
 
x-evil-x said:
wouldnt you like it to save that 20$ tethering plan you pay out every month?
240$ a year gone to nothing imo.
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See, the only possibility I'd consider jailbreaking is for "free" tethering. Of course, I'd want to tether my MBP - not my iPad - for general use. My normal home internet, however, routinely uses 20-50GB of data per month. Even though I'm on Verizon's "Unlimited" plan, you've heard about what'll happen when the phone companies find out about usage.
 
x-evil-x said:
wow, arent you special...:rolleyes:
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Nope, but I'm not a thief. There is certainly nothing special about thieves.

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x-evil-x said:
im iphone 3g worked fine too stock. But the added benefit of some things made and makes a huge improvement.
Of course stock works fine you don't know what your missing out on...No need to bash people because they like to add features that arent there stock...
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How do you call what I said "bashing". I do know what I am "missing out on" and it's nothing I need. Deal.
 
Sean4123 said:
Pro-Jailbreakers:

There is no point in arguing with the non-jailbreakers about the pros and cons of doing it.

I can smell the ignorance from all of the ones that say it "slows down your iPhone."

Even more so on the ones that say it only allows for a couple of tweaks.

The fact is, if most of these people downloaded the right sources and tweaks, they wouldn't be able to go back to stock. Stock is brutal after having the freedom to use your phone anyway you want.
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Stock Users:

There is no point in discussing this with the jailbreakers about the pros and cons of doing it.

I can smell the arrogance from all of the ones that say we are ignorant

Even more so on the ones that say we are missing out

The fact is, if most of these people want to jailbreak, who really cares?. Stock may not be for everyone, but you should have the freedom to use your phone anyway you want without your intelligence being challenged
 
Sean4123 said:
Pro-Jailbreakers:

There is no point in arguing with the non-jailbreakers about the pros and cons of doing it.

I can smell the ignorance from all of the ones that say it "slows down your iPhone."

Even more so on the ones that say it only allows for a couple of tweaks.

The fact is, if most of these people downloaded the right sources and tweaks, they wouldn't be able to go back to stock. Stock is brutal after having the freedom to use your phone anyway you want.
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There is no need to convince anyone IMO. Just stating opinions and having a discussion.
But I do see what you say that there is some that have no clue about JB yet they act like if you JB you will ruin your iphone and you will have lots of errors and blue screens of death and other misconceptions:D

Icculus said:
From my experience, jailbreaking caused issues on my 4S. I ONLY installed tetherme, NO OTHER APPS, and I had random issues. Example the battery percentage meter would disappear, even though it shows enabled in settings. Locked my iphone it shows up, unlock it disappears. I had lots of weird things like that and yes, it was slower than stock. Please dont say its ignorance when people say it slows down your iPhone from jailbreaking...it might not be every person but there is truth to this.
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Im not trying to argue with you but just installing tetherme would have nothing to do with your battery indicator. The tetherme package does not change anything near or remotely to that, it just enables the native hotspot feature not allowed by your carrier. It will not slow down anything or cause weird issues as you describing.
There's probably a lot more to the story but either way to me its hard to believe since Im an advanced JB user for over 5 years.
But either way since you were not happy and wasnt for you better off staying stock.
 
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Sean4123 said:
Pro-Jailbreakers:

There is no point in arguing with the non-jailbreakers about the pros and cons of doing it.

I can smell the ignorance from all of the ones that say it "slows down your iPhone."
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Your smeller is broken. Actual usage doesn't lie. Just because YOU don't experience a slowdown does not invalidate the experiences of those that do.

The reverse is true. Just because I experience a slowdown with my jailbroken devices doesn't mean that if you don't it's because you're ignorant or lying.
 
Please no more people jailbreak their phones. The less the better, more spoils for ourselves. I am glad we make up such a small number of users, that way Apple doesn't really see us as a "threat".

TY iblacklist / PDAnet.

I could give two ***** if i am breaking my contract. Just wipe your phone before you go to the genius bar and get replacement phone for free (under warranty).

Did this 3 times over 2 years, not a eye batted.
 
I can do what i want with my phone...

to me data is data.

doesnt make me a thief.

to million others its the same way. im happy you like paying for something you shouldnt have to pay for.
 
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x-evil-x said:
I can do what i want with my phone...

to me data is data.

to million others its the same way. im happy you like paying for something you

shouldnt have to pay for.
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Good for you. Personally, I wouldn't be so proud to demonstrate ignorance and a lack of integrity.
 
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