Wi-Fi Sync App Rejected by Apple

[Tronic]

Seems like a cool little app and with a little refining it will be great. Only reason I see for Apple to decline it is the fact that they have this feature under development as well. On the other hand, I haven't synced my 3g since jailbreaking 3.0 in 2009. I backup new contacts about once every 6 months, but syncing, never.

 

[angevil]

Why is everyone here assuming that the dev is telling the truth? All we know about the rejection is what he was supposedly told by Apple. He could very easily (and intelligently) by lying in order to drum-up support for his jailbreak app.

I'm not saying this is definitely what happened, I'm just saying be a little more open-minded. You guys should know better than anyone not to believe anything you read on the 'net.

I agree with you. We just know little bits and people are just assuming. Anyway, I wouldn′t use this app nor would I pay 10$ for it. I don`t care if Apple ever implements it..Sometimes I have a feeling that the forum is populated only by people who like to bitch about stuff 😛

 

[Phatcat73]

It's a good thing Spirit jailbreak is still useable.

Shame on Apple.

 

[koko76]

Why is everyone here assuming that the dev is telling the truth? All we know about the rejection is what he was supposedly told by Apple. He could very easily (and intelligently) by lying in order to drum-up support for his jailbreak app.

Here's how I think it went down. He made an app that works but uses private APIs. He told the internet community (ie. us) that the app didn't break any rules but was really just hoping that it would sneak through. Then, when it was rejected from the app store for using private APIs, he tells us that the big bad Apple is stepping on the little guy and that we (conveniently) have the opportunity to pay him $10 for the jailbreak version.

I'm not saying this is definitely what happened, I'm just saying be a little more open-minded. You guys should know better than anyone not to believe anything you read on the 'net.

I don't know how cydia works as far as dev share/distribution share, but I would guess it doesn't have the same 30% cut Apple would take. While there isn't the same exposure via the app store it still does put more money per sale in the dev's pocket (assuming the cut is less or existent).

 

[marcfogel]

I agree 100%. Steve will do his typical dog and pony show on stage about how their device, "changes the world" because of it's new handy dandy wireless sync feature. If they allowed this new app it would completely change things as those watching can say, "uhhh, there's an app for that". 😀 It's Apples way of CONTROLLING competition.

It's funny. Apple is considered such a progressive company.... yet they're about as un-progressive as any company in the history of this country with their control of everything. They run their company like China runs their country. I'm just really torn because I love their products so much. I pray there's a day that another manufacturer's products appeal to me more than Apple's and I can flip Mr Jobs the bird once and for all and move on. Until that day I'll forever be torn between products I love and a company I loathe.

Windows 7 is not bad at all.
Android is getting there

 

[kingtj]

Ugh ....

This is a *really* fine line, but I can actually see Apple's side of the argument. Wi-fi syncing is such an obvious feature that's been lacking this whole time, you have to realize it's not some "new idea" Apple just never thought of doing.

As they stated in their rejection letter, there are probably valid reasons or concerns Apple had with doing things this way.

(EG. What if someone developed a program that fools iPhones into believing they're syncing with a copy of iTunes, when they're actually dumping all of the user's personal data into a hacking tool designed to gather it all up?)

Perhaps the *real* solution involve adding some more security on the iTunes side of things (such as encryption of data as its synced between the software and a device?), and Apple hasn't gotten around to that yet?

On the other hand, I agree that if Apple doesn't write a rule specifying you can't do this, then it's really THEIR fault for omitting it. They're already irritating developers enough with the uncertainty of the app approval process, without this on top of it.

So it didn't break the rules but it was rejected anyway. Gotcha. Heaven forbid an app makes the phone more useful.

 

[kiljoy616]

The replies should focus on how this company is so horrible for going against Apple wishes and allowing this on jailbroken iPhones.

sCrew Apple, users want this. 😡

 

[tuamtuem]

I see Apple developing this its own way but I really don't see the point of it. The iPhone's battery drains quickly so I tend to connect it to my dock every time I am near it so the phone's always on full charge and synced.

At least, user will has more option when they want to sync their song to iPod. Let's imagine that you are on bed and the charger is near you. You don't need to go to ur computer and connect the usb cord then wait it. Everything can do on your bed while you connect the charger with ur iPod/iPhone.

I'm sure that Apple want to steal this idea for their marketing purpose. They will embed this feature in iTunes to make it more stable and sell it on AppStore.

 

[kiljoy616]

(EG. What if someone developed a program that fools iPhones into believing they're syncing with a copy of iTunes, when they're actually dumping all of the user's personal data into a hacking tool designed to gather it all up?)

Are you for real, what if, that all I hear now a days, what if. Of course someone will hack, but they can do that now. Maybe we should not have the Internet because what if someone can hack your computer, or someone can make a trojan application.

What if we all stay home and hide in the closet?

Security over wifi is not an issue, wifi should already have this built in but if this was the case then they would just have told the programer, put a 128bit encryption on the data and your good to go, but no. When Apple or Jobs get something into their head its hard to after investing all that energy saying no for them to change. In some ways I love apple sticks to their guns, but in other things, it just dogmatic thinking and has nothing to do with security.

 

[kiljoy616]

At least, user will has more option when they want to sync their song to iPod. Let's imagine that you are on bed and the charger is near you. You don't need to go to ur computer and connect the usb cord then wait it. Everything can do on your bed while you connect the charger with ur iPod/iPhone.

I'm sure that Apple want to steal this idea for their marketing purpose. They will embed this feature in iTunes to make it more stable and sell it on AppStore.

You mean we have an option, most users will not. 🙁

 

[skyehill]

Of course they rejected it. It displays how much better non-Apple employees are at making apps, and it was actually something users wanted. Like Flash. Good job, Apple. Keep up the god-awful work you're doing.

 

[skyehill]

I think Apple IS the law now 😱

They're the new Microsoft. It's going to be fun watching them fall too.

 

[kiljoy616]

I agree with you. We just know little bits and people are just assuming. Anyway, I wouldn′t use this app nor would I pay 10$ for it. I don`t care if Apple ever implements it..Sometimes I have a feeling that the forum is populated only by people who like to bitch about stuff 😛

You must be one of those bitches 🙂 then. That you do not like the program is fine, still means nothing to the merits that users want it. But rather then been a simple download, now you have to jailbreak, hack a phone, just to put a simple program.

When it comes to Apple assuming is the name of the game. Now will they just get the lawyer to make up something new to stop a program like this, like saying programs can not use wifi. Sorry but I wish there was a real alternative to this, because it is getting old.

Just make it for other platform sooner or later others will catch up and who knows no one will care since there will be real alternatives.

 

[skyehill]

That app was pointless. You have to manipulate the computer and the phone to get the sync started right? Sounds much harder than just plugging it in, since you have to be in front of your computer anyway.

It is neat and all, but no real benefit.

You have to do this with a wired connection as well. Seriously, Apple Fanboys, put down the Kool Aid. A great app was rejected.

 

[kiljoy616]

Windows 7 is not bad at all.
Android is getting there

If only that was so.

Windows 7 is a joke, its not terrible but it feels like window xp with a nicer UI.

I sit snow leopard next to windows and its night an day for just basic things. Its not that Windows 7 is terrible its not, but its not what I would say we should see from an OS after so many years. 😡

Android is getting there, but what about Itunes, is there really an alternative that works, have not seen that part. Hard to believe no one has done it in a way that it works. 😕

 

[HLdan]

I'm not siding with Apple but I'm certainly not siding with the developer either. This forum makes me ill sometimes. Nobody here knows the full reasons for the rejection, but as soon as you hear Apple rejected an new app from a developer you're all quick to tell Apple to go to hell.
I can at least be open-minded and give both sides the benefit of the doubt. There's always a reason and it doesn't have to be to screw people over.

 

[hayesk]

Honestly, I don't see how this app didn't break the rules, despite the Apple rep saying it didn't.

Maybe I missed something, but there's nothing in the SDK that would allow the iPhone to synchronize itself over WiFi. The desktop end fakes out a USB device for iTunes, but something has to have access to all of the apps, calendars, mail, etc. on the iPhone to send the data back and forth over wireless. There are simply no public APIs to allow this to happen.

I think this app uses some private APIs or exploits some private keys - a definite no-no from Apple.

 

[lkrupp]

boom, wireless syncing in OS 4?

Perhaps there is still SOMETHING secret left for Steve to reveal next month!

Exactly. Remember the outrage when Apple went Intel but you couldn't install Windows. Cottage industries sprung up all over the place with hacks and kludges. Open letters were published, online petitions were signed, hands were wringing, stress was high, Apple was raked over the coals. Then Boot Camp arrived, which was in the works and planned all the while, and it all went away. Poof!

But we want it NOW! We demand it NOW and can't wait even a minute for it.

 

[mattjcline]

menubar icon

anybody know what program that red circle with the lock is?
I've seen it before, I'm just curious.

 

[kiljoy616]

You have to do this with a wired connection as well. Seriously, Apple Fanboys, put down the Kool Aid. A great app was rejected.

I hate Kool-aid but I do like Tan the Astronaut drink. 😛

The software just lets you get rid of wires, if you want to do something quick, so smoke a few, and relax and go back to apple and tell jobs to smoke a few also.

Now the video shows you don't have to be by the computer to do it, this is sweet for example less for music and more for podcast.

Also this is first gen. with feedback this apps could be optimized and of course better designed. What the problem is that we don't get the choice and the programer does not have incentive to make it better.

 

[kiljoy616]

Exactly. Remember the outrage when Apple went Intel but you couldn't install Windows. Cottage industries sprung up all over the place with hacks and kludges. Open letters were published, online petitions were signed, hands were wringing, stress was high, Apple was raked over the coals. Then Boot Camp arrived, which was in the works and planned all the while, and it all went away. Poof!

But we want it NOW! We demand it NOW and can't wait even a minute for it.

Its all about Steve getting his high, even when its in the works he has to have that ten second rush. 🙁

As for wanting it now, no not really, if we knew it was coming in OS 4, this conversation would be mute. But no we have to have the "One More Thing"

Drill Baby Drill

 

[kiljoy616]

I'm not siding with Apple but I'm certainly not siding with the developer either. This forum makes me ill sometimes. Nobody here knows the full reasons for the rejection, but as soon as you hear Apple rejected an new app from a developer you're all quick to tell Apple to go to hell.
I can at least be open-minded and give both sides the benefit of the doubt. There's always a reason and it doesn't have to be to screw people over.

And when is apple open about anything, imagine if governments where like that, oh wait some are, and look how bad life is for the populous. 😱

 

[iansilv]

Apple needs to do this. I don't even care if its only allowed for paid mobile me memberships or something. I just want wireless syncing!

 

[ChazUK]

And when is apple open about anything, imagine if governments where like that, oh wait some are, and look how bad life is for the populous. 😱

iPhone owners have the choice to own the thing or not. Nations under totalitarian rule aren't so lucky.

The two situations are completely different.

 

[JAT]

Am I the only one concerned with time? USB2 is already too slow. My first iPod used Firewire, and was much faster despite using an actual disk. I have a 16GB Touch and it takes forever to sync if I make big changes. I can only imagine what a 64GB is like. Not to mention a 64GB over wifi? God, wireless is supposed to speed up our lives, not slow it down. And $9.99? Just to sync? I paid less for my dock (hint: it doesn't say "Apple" on it), and usage with that is basically the same as setting the iPod down, except it charges the battery instead of wasting it. And, I don't have to turn the iPod on and open an app.

Basically, every step of the way, this is slower. Sometimes I wonder if anyone actually thinks before they form a knee-jerk opinion.

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for developers getting their fair due, and have bought many apps that were this price or higher. And I used to be jailbroken to get away from Apple limitations (would be again if something vital came up), but this is about as useful as a fart app.