Will APPLE EVER give up on screwing PRO user (no firewire) read in.

Discussion in 'MacBook' started by hiimamac, Nov 26, 2008.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. hiimamac macrumors 6502a

    hiimamac

    Joined:
    Jun 7, 2007
    Location:
    Boston
    #1
    Ok, it's quite simple.

    I am a tech bench marker, have built hack n tosh machines and own apple computers.

    So, I watched all the benchmarks for the first macbook for a long time.

    When the macbook FIRST came out, everyone and their brother knew you could NOT play games on it, correct. Remember? The benchmarks were 70% compared to a dual G5, not bad for $1099. Then I watched as the benchmarks went from:
    70%
    130%
    140%
    all the way to 170% when Leopard came out (ALL BENCHMARKS OPEN GL).

    Keep in mind, you could NOT PLAY GAMES, even at this high mark.

    However, many sites reported that you could run MOTION, FCP and SHAKE as well as Photoshop very well on these machines that could NOT play games but could run PRO app's with ease, especially at 170%.

    So, what did Apple do? They released the X300 which basically crippled the machine all together - no more pro apps as it was to slow. That said, the frustrating part is, the PRO user makes up <1% of the market share, yet, once word got out that while you could not play a 3D game, you could run MOTION and apple would have no part of it so they go out of their way to make sure they go after the PRO less than one percent market essentially saying, if you want a pro machine, PRO has to be in the name.

    Some argued at the time, maybe they didn't want to enter the game market, I arugued that gaming is more than the music business.


    Now the new machines play games very well, but what did apple do, again, of course, toward the PRO and worse, MOM AND POP users that used iLife and have video camera's = they removed FIREWIRE.

    So, Apple gives, apple takes away. Again, no pro use now and even WORSE was that many, millions of bedroom musicians needed the macbook with FIREWIRe for all their audio devices, pro hardware uses firewire (no CPU bandwith needed like with USB which will cause pops and clicks.]

    So I ask, when will apple realize, people like me and millions more, if had the option, they would always buy a PRO machine ( I did ) and then buy a back up machine that costs half as a back up and a machine to drag around sometimes.

    Doesn't Apple get it? Pro's made them who they are and now One on One went from LOGIC/FCP to iLife but now you can't use iMovie with FIREWIRE but Apple would sell MORE not LESS, machines if they did this. What is wrong with them. What are they afraid of? So what if a fraction uses a cheap system instead of a PRO, if they make it, they would buy the pro machine down the road.

    Sometimes Apples marketing makes no sense. One can only hope that this time, due to the outcry from thousands upon thousands, that they will realize they need to release the MB with firewire.

    Another few points vs PRO use and consumer machines:
    All iMacs GLOSSY, iMacs used to be underpowered and matte if you wanted and were in many ART/GRAPHIC studios, now they are powerful and all glossy so no color correction at all.

    All MB and iMACS use cheaper NON STANDARD firewire which caused problems with those that had HIGH END firewire hardware (google cheap firewire apple macbook), and you will see.

    Will apple ever get it right? Time to stop worrying about the 1% market.
     
  2. Knolly macrumors 6502a

    Joined:
    Jul 22, 2007
    #2
    Hang on here...

    You keep using the word Pro. And the complain that the Macbooks don't have firewire.

    Are you aware of the Macbook Pro?
     
  3. smurfjammer macrumors 6502a

    smurfjammer

    Joined:
    Jun 7, 2004
    Location:
    Auckland, New Zealand
    #3
    MacBook are consumer products, MacBook Pro are the professional model.
     
  4. jodelli macrumors 65816

    jodelli

    Joined:
    Jan 6, 2008
    Location:
    Windsor, ON, Canada
    #4
    ^^^$1299 is not a consumer level anything. RDF is at work here.
     
  5. smurfjammer macrumors 6502a

    smurfjammer

    Joined:
    Jun 7, 2004
    Location:
    Auckland, New Zealand
    #5
    Since you don't understand Apple's product lineup, I'll make it clearer for you:

    CONSUMER:
    iMac
    MacBook

    PROFESSIONAL:
    Mac Pro
    MacBook Pro

    Just because you don't agree with Apple's pricing of their products doesn't mean that it's not a consumer product.
     
  6. hiimamac thread starter macrumors 6502a

    hiimamac

    Joined:
    Jun 7, 2007
    Location:
    Boston
    #6

    Geesh, don't you get it?

    Macbook for one (1) year ran pro apps so apple killed it, released the X300.

    Now they release the MB with no firewire and say its old.

    Don't you get it? It's about a machine that is more than capable of running pro apps and musicians aren't always pro, plus business week says firewire grew 20% on laptops in 2008, but since the new macbooks are more than capable, Apple has to KILL OFF firewire. But why? Who friggin cares if 1% of the market use purchase the machine instead of pro.

    Are you saying Apple is justified in asking $700 for an express slot, firewire and 2 more inches? I don't think so. I see this as greed and a slap in the face to those that made apple who they are.

    Problem is, firewire affects more than PRO now - mom, dad, all switchers and their pushy metrics salesman mac specialists and their one to one iLife trainers that no nothing about FCP/LOGIC but everything about mail and iLife, there are many consumers that use firewire.

    It's not just for the pro.
     
  7. PeterQC macrumors 6502a

    PeterQC

    Joined:
    Jun 30, 2008
    #7
    And "pro" 2D apps (photoshop, illustrator ,etc.) were running fine no matter what on thoses "slow" 1.83Ghz processors.

    Firewire was put out because of the size restraint. If they did'nt not do it, another feature would had to go, being an USB port or the ethernet port. That's the price of having easily accessible and replaceable battery, HD and ram.

    People whining about firewire are really starting to piss me. You just wrote 1000 words about a port missing and started another thread about it, while there are a tons others. Get over it. If you want firewire, get the pro or one of the old generation, it's as simple as that. I don't care if it's too big or too heavy, build some muscle, it's not like 10 pound are THAT heavy.

    EDIT: Oh, and by the way, if you're that tired of Apple, just switch back to PCs and don't look back. Won't kill you, and you'll get the oh so desired port. Then again, why are you posting on a APPLE FORUM just to complain?
     
  8. Nuc macrumors 6502a

    Nuc

    Joined:
    Jan 20, 2003
    Location:
    TN
    #8
    Let me make it clear to you. People that bought camcorders with firewire now can't import video unless you pay a lot more for a Pro machine. Firewire in my mind is not pro... I bought into firewire because Apple promoted it. Now they switch to USB only, what a poor business decision and sticking it to the people that pay their damn bills!!

    Nuc
     
  9. jodelli macrumors 65816

    jodelli

    Joined:
    Jan 6, 2008
    Location:
    Windsor, ON, Canada
    #9
    The pricing is just fine. Apple's positioning is skewed; just because Herr Goebbels... 'scuse me, Jobs says something is so doesn't make it true.
    The White Book is a consumer Mac, as is the Mini. Period.

    Don't try and patronize me kid. I've watched Apple from the beginning, and I'm smarter than an overwhelming percentage of people out there, although the IQ in Mac forums is probably higher than the GP.
     
  10. smurfjammer macrumors 6502a

    smurfjammer

    Joined:
    Jun 7, 2004
    Location:
    Auckland, New Zealand
    #10
    Big deal - Apple dropped Firewire on one of their products if you need Firewire buy an iMac/MacBook Pro/Mac Pro and if you paid for FCP/Logic you should should have enough $$$ to pay for a Pro model.
     
  11. dukebound85 macrumors P6

    dukebound85

    Joined:
    Jul 17, 2005
    Location:
    5045 feet above sea level
    #11
    im always baffled at those who support apple's decisions on issues like this (taking away features)

    people say firewire=pro

    well the old mb had it and people agree it is a consumer laptop and so did the emac....the "educational" mac so that argument is bogus
     
  12. HLdan macrumors 603

    HLdan

    Joined:
    Aug 22, 2007
    #12
    What the heck is the OP talking about? What do you mean that the iMacs use a cheaper "non-standard" Firewire? Apple uses 400 and 800 (which they developed) and the iMac has both of these ports. What are you talking about????
     
  13. synth3tik macrumors 68040

    synth3tik

    Joined:
    Oct 11, 2006
    Location:
    Minneapolis, MN
    #13
    Just because Apple put a pro at the end of the name does not make it a pro machine. I would be very hard pressed to call my MBP a "pro" machine.
     
  14. thejadedmonkey macrumors 604

    thejadedmonkey

    Joined:
    May 28, 2005
    Location:
    Pa
    #14
    Yes. Just one product, which makes up (I assume) roughly 25% of their computer sales!

    Oh, and that's not true either. It's been more then 1 product. There's the Macbook, Macbook Pro (first gen CD), all iPods, and the firewire hubs on their Monitors.

    For anyone who cares, you can build a PC for about 1/3th the cost of a new iMac that runs just as well, only it'll have HMDI, DVI, VGA, eSATA, 8 USB, Firewire, Front audio and usb ports, no flashing lights, and is near silent.

    I don't think anyone really cares that Apple has a mac that doesn't have firewire. I think what's getting everyone's panties up in a bunch is that it's a professionally prices machine that lacks ports found on Dell computers that are 1/3 its price. When we pay a premium, we expect premium products, not products that use proprietary monitor ports, lack necessities like firewire and USB, and don't offer anything special!
     
  15. smurfjammer macrumors 6502a

    smurfjammer

    Joined:
    Jun 7, 2004
    Location:
    Auckland, New Zealand
    #15
    Believe me I'm no kid, my first Apple Laptop cost me nearly $12,000.00 NZD (and was only 233Mhz) so I've been using Apple products for a while now.
     
  16. Eidorian macrumors Penryn

    Eidorian

    Joined:
    Mar 23, 2005
    Location:
    Indianapolis
    #16
    I'm sure you remember the iBook DV then.
     
  17. dukebound85 macrumors P6

    dukebound85

    Joined:
    Jul 17, 2005
    Location:
    5045 feet above sea level
    #17
    to clarify, the first gen mbp cd had firewire as did all macbooks up to the most current
     
  18. smurfjammer macrumors 6502a

    smurfjammer

    Joined:
    Jun 7, 2004
    Location:
    Auckland, New Zealand
    #18
    Sure, the first iBook that had firewire (the original iBook had only 1 USB port and had no ADB slot which used to be standard)
     
  19. CartmanMCP macrumors newbie

    Joined:
    Sep 24, 2008
    #19
    My god you ppl stop nagging about this stuff, spend an extra buck and get the MBP if you REALLY need firewire on your laptop. You are also getting the bigger and reportedly better screen, better graphics etc what is the big deal?

    Or, get a camera that supports USB if you have a new macbook and want to buy a new camera.
     
  20. Eidorian macrumors Penryn

    Eidorian

    Joined:
    Mar 23, 2005
    Location:
    Indianapolis
    #20
    Size and money. Did I forget to mention the MacBooks don't have FireWire now?
     
  21. synth3tik macrumors 68040

    synth3tik

    Joined:
    Oct 11, 2006
    Location:
    Minneapolis, MN
    #21
    The FW chipset on the new MBPs is junk. I literally would not be able to use it. Also spending extra money on a bigger screen is a great idea, unless you want a smaller screen.
     
  22. jodelli macrumors 65816

    jodelli

    Joined:
    Jan 6, 2008
    Location:
    Windsor, ON, Canada
    #22
    That would have been the Wallstreet or PDQ, I guess. Had one of each myself and they were fine machines. I guess ten years will cut it;)
     
  23. iToaster macrumors 68000

    iToaster

    Joined:
    May 3, 2007
    Location:
    In front of my MacBook Pro
    #23
    Fellow forum members, let me make it clear to you why there is an outrage Apple dropped FireWire on the MacBooks. Primarily, they've promoted it for years now on all of their models (with few exceptions) and have suddenly dropped all the consumer level supporters of FireWire. Many people that would buy a MacBook own a camcorder with the sole way to extract the videos being FireWire. People aren't going to be happy with Apple when they find out their camcorder doesn't work with their new computer. For those that own a USB transferring flash or HDD camcorder the lack of FireWire isn't a problem, but those that own a miniDV camcorder might not be willing to buy a new one. For those that don't need a MBP, say, amateurs who scraped together enough money for a FireWire audio rig, they might now want to pay for more than they want for a computer with port that's functionally faster than USB and has been on pretty much every Apple computer for the last several years, or they might not want to replace their expensive equipment to conform to their ideal laptop, or they simply may not be able to afford the pricing of the MacBook Pro, or any combination of these situations. To be blunt, Apple left off a very valuable port. I've seen pictures of the MB's logic board, a simple FW400 connector would fit. Simply, it was a bad idea on Apple's idea and I'm willing to wager we might see it return on the next generation if Apple gets enough negative vibes from the consumers about it.
     
  24. SnowLeopard2008 macrumors 604

    SnowLeopard2008

    Joined:
    Jul 4, 2008
    Location:
    Silicon Valley
    #24
    CHILL. If you don't like it, then build another "hack n tosh" since you have done that in the past. Quit whining just because Apple sees to need to fit the majority not the minority (>1% pro, your own words). And there is FireWire, its 800 and backwards compatible with 400. No reason to complain.


    AND I sometimes let my parents use the iLife suite. All their cameras, except the old Sony Camcorder which we don't use anymore due to 5+ years of age, use USB. Or they would just record a clip of themself in iMovie or a photo with Photo Booth. The average consumer does not need FireWire. I am probably a semi-pro and I haven't used FireWire, except maybe once or twice, but never on the Intel machines.
     
  25. smurfjammer macrumors 6502a

    smurfjammer

    Joined:
    Jun 7, 2004
    Location:
    Auckland, New Zealand
    #25
    It was the PDQ model, still got it...
     
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.

Share This Page