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They wouldn't do that. They would only take the app offline for new downloads.

Which may or may not hamper consumers choosing iOS. Hopefully Apple has done enough polling to be sure that it won't do something it regrets.

Is the Kindle app as important today for new customers as it was before?
 
That's a good question. Who knows that might change - they might eventually be considered the same. I can't answer it all, and I'm sure people brighter than me are working on it. It's an evolving scenario and Apple is trying to make it work for all parties. Some decisions might be wrong and be changed later. This has already happened a number of times. We'll just have to wait and see.

But at least you seem to understand it better than most. Some people are still complaining about the 70-30, which is good standard business. As I said, most of the people posting in tech forums are technophiles but have very little business sense.

No, I'm not complaining about the 70/30, I complain about FORCING it.
 
Their device? Are you forgetting that they sold the device and doesn't belong to them anymore? LOL

Really? You're not going to open that crazy can of worms again are you?:)

As far as "their" device, lets just say the device they created that allows all the business access to a new revenue stream. Hope that covers it. :p
 
Which may or may not hamper consumers choosing iOS. Hopefully Apple has done enough polling to be sure that it won't do something it regrets.

Is the Kindle app as important today for new customers as it was before?

Every app in the eco-system is important. All iOS device commercials are based around what the 3rd party developers are doing. The devices themselves are only a small part of the reason people buy iOS stuff.

Apple needs to realise this and start treating the devs better. This is a symbiotic relationship.
 
Little piggees

These little Apple piggees need to be taught a lesson. They're getting pretty greedy. It's very clear what they're trying to do. I'll just buy my Kindle books from Amazon, have them delivered to my iPad and then boycott iBooks. There also may be a Xoom in my future. Apple can't keep up this arrogant behavior forever.
 
I think Apple is going to far, because this doesn't benefit the customer.

This isn't the first time, either. Apple's insistence that Random House comply with an agency model of pricing directly lead to an increase of prices in all ebook stores. Random House controls a huge percentage of the ebook market, and their ebook prices went up 30 to 50% the day they changed their pricing model for Apple.

What Apple did is bad for the customer and bad for education. It's one market I truly wish they would have kept their hands off of.
 
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Yeah because there are more kindles than iOS devices

There are more devices on which you can buy and read Kindle books than there are devices on which you can buy and read iBooks books.
 
Apple sounds like Micro$oft

Apple is starting to make noises like the (former) Micro$oft bully. If they are smart they'll back off.:mad:
 
Access to my Kindle library is one of the major reasons I bought and use my iPad. I wish Apple would back off. There are some people that will buy an iPad in part to have an e-reader. That benefits Apple. But now they want a cut because they say that Apple is bringing Amazon sales. Nope. I'm buying Kindle books because I like Amazon's system.

I'm sure iBooks is great, but are they going to give me free copies of everything I bought through Amazon to compensate me?

If Amazon removes their Kindle Store link from their app, that makes it more difficult to buy Kindle books. I can still do it through Amazon's website, but isn't the point of Apple to make the user experience better?

Good point, consumers will compare the cost of re-buying all books through iBooks with buying a Kindle.

If Apple actually pulls the Kindle app, then I'm certain former Kindle app users will get a nice offer from Amazon with a discount if they buy a Kindle.
 
I don't see what's the big deal.

And at worst Amazon will simply remove the link and replace it with some text like "To buy books visit Amazon.com on your browser" Simple.


And most people that have kindle on iPhone already have Kindle on their PC or a real Kindle.
 
This thread reminds me of an old joke. What do you call a 20 year old democrat? A 40 year old republican. Perspectives change when you have to support yourself and/or a family. It's easy to be idealistic when you're young and other people are supporting you financially.

People want Apple to be idealistic but they are just another business out there doing what businesses do: making money. Appealing to altruism is a misguided effort. Great when it happens but don't expect it.

Again, I don't have a particular preference when it comes to the whole subscription model stuff Apple is doing. But the level of angst here is comical.
 
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The iPhone and iPad provide lousy e-book reading experiences anyway, IMHO. The Kindle and e-ink excel for reading books. I own 3 iPads and 2 Kindles so I think I'm pretty qualified to make that statement.

Speak for yourself, I own a Kindle 2 and haven't touched it since getting the iPhone 4 and iPad 2. I prefer them to the Kindle 2.
 
I have not read all the responses, so this may have been stated already:

Amazon can just update it's IOS shopping app to add a Kindle store button. Go there, buy the book, open the Kindle App. Not a big deal...
 
Apple would be setting itself up for antitrust trouble if they do not allow kindle. If not the US then the EU. Beside apple would be hurt a lot more than amazon if they block the kindle app

Nope. Apple can, like all stores, set rules for what their stores sell. It's not antitrust at all.

Making it so that you have to buy a Mac to use an iPhone etc. That is likely anti-trust
 
These little Apple piggees need to be taught a lesson. They're getting pretty greedy. It's very clear what they're trying to do. I'll just buy my Kindle books from Amazon, have them delivered to my iPad and then boycott iBooks. There also may be a Xoom in my future. Apple can't keep up this arrogant behavior forever.

You want to stick it to Apple by reading books on your iPad. OK.
 
I don't see what's the big deal.

And at worst Amazon will simply remove the link and replace it with some text like "To buy books visit Amazon.com on your browser" Simple.


And most people that have kindle on iPhone already have Kindle on their PC or a real Kindle.

If I recall correctly, you're not allowed mentioning that you can buy through a website. No link, no texts, nothing.
 
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Speak for yourself, I own a Kindle 2 and haven't touched it since getting the iPhone 4 and iPad 2. I prefer them to the Kindle 2.

I go back and forth depending on which device I have with me at the time. I detect no major difference in the overall comfort of the reading experience between the 2 devices.
 
Apple is forcing Amazon (whose Kindle store competes directly with iBooks) to give them a 30% cut of all sales. Sounds like antitrust to me.

Nope. No more so than a brick and mortar getting a cut.

Antitrust isn't just what you think is unfair. It's about very particular situations and actions
 
Bad PR?

If Amazon does nothing, Apple would perhaps just remove the Kindle app from the App Store. Given the popularity of Kindle/Amazon in general, surely news of the removal will not be relegated to just the tech blogs. Thus, the media will report Apple removing the app, which could potentially be bad press for Apple, and good press for Amazon. Maybe it's not a bad strategy for Amazon to stand firm....
 
Actually, no. That's what they do now. They don't have a shopping app, the button launches amazon.com in Safari. The new rules state:

A. You use in-app purchases.
B. You don't provide users with any way of buying something in the app, not even a link to your web store.

Better than the original proposal, which was: You offer in-app purchases or you can't provide any way for users to access purchased digital goods or services.

Amazon can just make the Kindle app a plain reader with no purchase option. It's really no big deal. I'd guess that most Kindle customers buy their books either on the actual Kindle or on the Web site, because the experience is better.
 
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