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Anyone using the beta have some insights re: PWAs and local storage (for me IndexedDB) ?? If there is a manifest etc. does Safari carve out a separate local storage and not delete it if the app/site is not used in N days. (I run an older Mac, and cannot install current Mac OS -- yeah I am stupid, but my setup is perfect for me.) Or is the "App" install simply a wrapper using standard Safari storage/deletes. Thx in Advance, NSC.
 
I cant name a single new feature coming in this "new operating system" edition

i miss when numbers rolling up meant something

Exactly. I pine for the good old days when a new Mac OS came out every couple of years it actually MEANT something. Now they release a new OS not because it's a big improvement, but because that's what the stupid schedule mandates.

and even then, they'll ship it with missing features from the original announcement
 
We're still waiting for 13.6 to be released lol.

I think one more beta would be a good idea to fix whatever bugs it might have left.

I'll be happy to wait till end of September / early October, even then I'll probably won't upgrade until a week or 2 later. (same with iOS).
 
Slow boot, sometimes more than 3 minutes, lockups, spinning beachballs, crashes while receiving mail on an Acasis + Samsung 980 Pro, but perhaps it is because this SSD contained two bootable partitions with a different OS. It works well with Monterey alone after deleting Sonoma.
 
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I had a few amusing bugs but I think the main one has been one of the screensavers hitching - haven't had time to see if it's still doing it on the latest beta.
It's not as of beta 7, at least as far as my testing goes. Screen savers and desktop using Apple photos is a mess. I did find a workaround by actually using a photos folder atm.
 
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Sonoma for me is stable enough to work on, but it is not stable for general release in beta 7. I have issues with Thunderbolt devices not waking up the machine as they did previously, screen savers and desktop wallpapers aren't behaving correctly, and my dock just froze and did nothing until I force quit it yesterday. There's still a lot to clean up.
 
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Ha! Sonoma and the latest Xcode are both dumpster fires. There are so many glaring bugs in both that we have postponed any testing. Hey Apple, maybe a little less work on emojis and a little more fixing things you broke?
 
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i personally don't see quicker, just for the sake of it, as a benefit at all, if it means that the OS is not stable at all, with all kinds of sketchy behaviors.
it also doesn't necessarily mean that you'd have to wait for three years for new features, but postponing a release to something equivalent to what we get with a .3 or .4 release would be highly preferable, at a non-fixed pace between 12-18 months when it feels "ready", at least as far as i'm concerned.
those who urgently need such features earlier, are free to join the beta plans

Those that want 3 year updates are free to skip updates for 2 years then upgrade on the third. Problem solved.
 
how is that they can add so few features but not have it as stable as the previous release? how does it just suddenly become less stable?
 
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Those that want 3 year updates are free to skip updates for 2 years then upgrade on the third. Problem solved.
in theory,you are correct...
in practice though, Apple seems to be more focused on releasing new gimmicks instead of improving the "old" existing stuff.
some old "not too terrible" bugs will probably never be fixed and you always, at any point, regardless how long you wait, will have to pray that the jump to a new OS will not introduce some silly or downright annoying new issues.
and by the time the system is starting to get decently reliable, the next shiny new thing is around the corner, waiting to surprise you with new glitches again, while still neglecting some issues carried over from older versions.
and of course the remaining issues on the "old" (meaning non current) OS will never be fixed either since Apple from now on is solely determined to improve the most current version and only let more or less most security fixes trickle down to the versions from yesteryear
 
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how is that they can add so few features but not have it as stable as the previous release? how does it just suddenly become less stable?
Over time potions of the MacOS since Big Sur have been converted from Intel only to universal supported to ARM native. Functionally the OS looks the same to the user but underneath a lot has been changing. Searching and graphic acceleration are two examples that have been greatly improved over time. Safari display web content is an another, the speed improvements are very evident if you have a fast ISP connection.

This on a M1 24" iMac using https://browserbench.org/Speedometer2.1/ results in a 434 rating with beta 7.
Back a few years that was 1/2 that speed.
 
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