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Will macOS Sonoma Be Released in September This Year?

Black Magic said:
Those that want 3 year updates are free to skip updates for 2 years then upgrade on the third. Problem solved.
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Then I bet you never notice how annoying Apple is to beg you to the latest release. Worse still, there is no easy way to stop system from checking updates, unlike group policy in Windows and settings in Linux.
 
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Shirasaki said:
Then I bet you never notice how annoying Apple is to beg you to the latest release. Worse still, there is no easy way to stop system from checking updates, unlike group policy in Windows and settings in Linux.
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There's an easy solution for this! just use such an old version so that the App Store doesn't even work anymore (or anything related to apple services really) ;)
looking at mavericks. a pure joy to use with chromium legacy
 
JakoDel said:
There's an easy solution for this! just use such an old version so that the App Store doesn't even work anymore (or anything related to apple services really) ;)
looking at mavericks. a pure joy to use with chromium legacy
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Yeah but then armchair security advisor would say “duh, using such an obsolete piece of software is insecure, full of security bugs and issues, and endanger everyone else” blah blah. 😕
 
tweaknmod said:
From a post I made a while ago:
An Unrealistic - but fun - Idea!
There're many comments, in various threads, wishing Apple would slow down, or even stop, adding software features, and focus on tightening-up their software.

Many often cite Snow Leopard as being the heyday for Apple's "it just works" age, and I'm sure there's a similar reference for iOS. As Apple continues to strive to add more and more bells and whistles to their software, more and more bugs and inconsistencies are bound to come up.

As far as I know, this is somewhat inevitable with such a fast development cycle. I've heard people blame Apple's focus on pleasing shareholders first, and consumers second — drive more sales of the newest hardware models through software updates that require new purchases. I'm sure it's more complicated than that, but you're here for a crazy and fun idea, not my ignorant speculation...

The idea...​


Apple announces, in typical cryptic fashion, that the Apple polishing cloths will no longer be available until further notice.

Later, when it comes time for WWCD of that year, the theme is some clever variation on 'the year of polish' or 'our lineup has never been shinier' or something actually good.

The point:​

Apple announces that the polishing cloths were no longer available to the public, as they were needed internally. They needed them so they could spend a full year focused on 'polishing' their existing offerings (not literally, of course - I'm talking software).

They announce the name of the new update to macOS as [clever name], and a video plays with a reel like: (with accompanying iOS and iPadOS versions)

New features: none!
Added functionality: none!
Pretty novelties: none!
...
Bugs fixed: 23,434,543
Consistency improved: 3,567,343 instances
Energy efficiency: up 363%
Crash decrease: 476%
User satisfaction: +254%
etc... (any metrics which can actually measure these improvements)
  • They talk about taking everything they already have, but has objectively needed more time to polish and refine, and then re-offering it in an update which re-commits to the principles of quality over quantity, reliability, and "it just works".
  • They talk about longer lasting hardware (due to more efficient and optimized software), in order to help with e-waste.
  • They talk about staying true to the principles which made them the most valuable company in the world.
  • They talk about defining their software in the same way they have done with their hardware: polished and refined to a level unmatched in the industry.
Then, at the end, they show a room full of Apple employees polishing MacBooks, iPhones, watches, and iPads. All getting shinier and shinier...

"The polishing cloths will be available again on [DATE]." <– the release date for the 'new' OS.

Shareholder relations...​


There would need to be a separate, specific, presentation directed at shareholders, so they don't think Apple has gotten lazy and will lose sales.

This would be a long-term gain to offset the downturn in hardware sales, and to get fans to fall in love with their products again. If they pulled this off, then it would, hopefully, pull more and more people into the Apple ecosystem due to it's ease of use, consistency, and reliability — all things which used to be associated with Apple far more frequently.

Not gonna happen!​


I know. I just thought it would be fun to write out and discuss.
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There is a good reason why Mountain Lion was the pinnacle of stability.
 
Kelly the Dude said:
It's not as of beta 7, at least as far as my testing goes. Screen savers and desktop using Apple photos is a mess. I did find a workaround by actually using a photos folder atm.
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This has been driving me crazy, as I haven’t seen anybody mention it as a bug at all. For me, Photos Favorites works just fine as a screen saver, but rotating Photos Favorites (or any album) as wallpaper just reverts to the Sonoma default desktop image. If I select a few photos directly and then rotate Favorites, it’ll include those in the rotation. Does your workaround involve a photos folder in Finder? Or in the Photos app?
 
TheOneWhoKnocks said:
I'm so tired of this ******** release schedule and even then iOS will be released with a bunch of features missing. Mac OS has been a second class citizen for a long time.
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Huh? iOS is a chunk of deliberately hamstrung garbage. macOS has been brilliant since forever.

It's the main reason I use a MBP instead of Windows.

Whereas, with iOS, I am constantly sitting on the fence wondering if I should switch to Android, and give up the lovely iPhone hardware, in exchange for an OS with freedom and full functionality.

I half wish they'd stop even putting out new macOS releases, as each year they seem to remove more useful functionality than they add, which seems to be a mission to dumb it down to iOS standards. Thankfully, the functionality they remove can usually still be accessed via the command line, but it's a pain to have to hunt down which commands to use.
 
tweaknmod said:
From a post I made a while ago:
An Unrealistic - but fun - Idea!
There're many comments, in various threads, wishing Apple would slow down, or even stop, adding software features, and focus on tightening-up their software.

Many often cite Snow Leopard as being the heyday for Apple's "it just works" age, and I'm sure there's a similar reference for iOS. As Apple continues to strive to add more and more bells and whistles to their software, more and more bugs and inconsistencies are bound to come up.

As far as I know, this is somewhat inevitable with such a fast development cycle. I've heard people blame Apple's focus on pleasing shareholders first, and consumers second — drive more sales of the newest hardware models through software updates that require new purchases. I'm sure it's more complicated than that, but you're here for a crazy and fun idea, not my ignorant speculation...

The idea...​


Apple announces, in typical cryptic fashion, that the Apple polishing cloths will no longer be available until further notice.

Later, when it comes time for WWCD of that year, the theme is some clever variation on 'the year of polish' or 'our lineup has never been shinier' or something actually good.

The point:​

Apple announces that the polishing cloths were no longer available to the public, as they were needed internally. They needed them so they could spend a full year focused on 'polishing' their existing offerings (not literally, of course - I'm talking software).

They announce the name of the new update to macOS as [clever name], and a video plays with a reel like: (with accompanying iOS and iPadOS versions)

New features: none!
Added functionality: none!
Pretty novelties: none!
...
Bugs fixed: 23,434,543
Consistency improved: 3,567,343 instances
Energy efficiency: up 363%
Crash decrease: 476%
User satisfaction: +254%
etc... (any metrics which can actually measure these improvements)
  • They talk about taking everything they already have, but has objectively needed more time to polish and refine, and then re-offering it in an update which re-commits to the principles of quality over quantity, reliability, and "it just works".
  • They talk about longer lasting hardware (due to more efficient and optimized software), in order to help with e-waste.
  • They talk about staying true to the principles which made them the most valuable company in the world.
  • They talk about defining their software in the same way they have done with their hardware: polished and refined to a level unmatched in the industry.
Then, at the end, they show a room full of Apple employees polishing MacBooks, iPhones, watches, and iPads. All getting shinier and shinier...

"The polishing cloths will be available again on [DATE]." <– the release date for the 'new' OS.

Shareholder relations...​


There would need to be a separate, specific, presentation directed at shareholders, so they don't think Apple has gotten lazy and will lose sales.

This would be a long-term gain to offset the downturn in hardware sales, and to get fans to fall in love with their products again. If they pulled this off, then it would, hopefully, pull more and more people into the Apple ecosystem due to it's ease of use, consistency, and reliability — all things which used to be associated with Apple far more frequently.

Not gonna happen!​


I know. I just thought it would be fun to write out and discuss.
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tweaknmod for CEO!
 
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As a sysadmin for a school district with over 135 Macs....

Please either release new macOS versions closer to Xmas or during the summer when I can have time to deploy this without interfering with students.
 
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Sonoma seems to primarily focus on under-the-hood improvements. This seems to be what most people in this thread want. Yet, there's a lot of angst for some reason.
 
GaryMumford said:
Why? If your going to wait for all the bugs to be fixed, your going to be waiting forever! They had still not fixed all the bugs in Ventura, Monterey, Big Sur…..
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I was always curious about some constant bugs that never get addressed. Don't Apple Developers "actually" use their OS? Wouldn't they notice these annoying bugs? Wouldn't Tim say, "Hey..I noticed this irritating bug...fix it. etc.?"
 
Shirasaki said:
Then I bet you never notice how annoying Apple is to beg you to the latest release. Worse still, there is no easy way to stop system from checking updates, unlike group policy in Windows and settings in Linux.
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Seems like you guys are complaining just to complain. 90% of Apple users want yearly updates. Those that don't want the yearly cycle do not need to update. It's really that simple.
 
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TheOneWhoKnocks said:
I'm so tired of this ******** release schedule and even then iOS will be released with a bunch of features missing. Mac OS has been a second class citizen for a long time.
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Not sure why people have such an issue these days. This has been a long time issue with computing devices. Even with Windows. We had small security updates take down an entire business before back in the Windows XP/2003 days. This is why most businesses use WSUS and test the update before rolling it out.

An entire OS upgrade amplifies the issue. Even going from Windows versions. Some of those big Windows 10 updates every year caused a lot of issues for me. Early days of Windows 10 was way worse too.

I have only faced minor issues before. And everything gets resolved in the next week or two. I also always format and reinstall for every OS upgrade. Maybe not doing that is the cause of such problems?
 
SkydiveGuy said:
Please either release new macOS versions closer to Xmas or during the summer when I can have time to deploy this without interfering with students.
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On past performance, if it is released in September, then Apple might have the more serious bugs sorted out in time for you to install it next summer.

All joking apart, not waiting at least until Xmas and the first point release or two before rolling it out to a large user base sounds like an accident waiting to happen.
 
darrenoia said:
This has been driving me crazy, as I haven’t seen anybody mention it as a bug at all. For me, Photos Favorites works just fine as a screen saver, but rotating Photos Favorites (or any album) as wallpaper just reverts to the Sonoma default desktop image. If I select a few photos directly and then rotate Favorites, it’ll include those in the rotation. Does your workaround involve a photos folder in Finder? Or in the Photos app?
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I just exported them to folder in the Finder from photos and it works flawlessly. Want to move it back to photos though as I add photos to the rotation of that album. The behavior you described is exactly what I see. Even did the cheat where I select some to get it working before I figured out the export workaround. I feel like it might be an iCloud caching issue, as I don't "Keep Originals" and instead "Optimize Storage" with iCloud photos on this Mac.
 
Isn't Sonoma supposed to be a performance and bug fix focused release?
 
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