The demo video shows all apps being expose, thus App Expose. I'm not sure what it's supposed to prove bringing the app I already have highlighted to the front and hiding everything else behind it.
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The demo video shows all apps being expose, thus App Expose. I'm not sure what it's supposed to prove bringing the app I already have highlighted to the front and hiding everything else behind it.
There is a full App Expose that shows all the windows but only when you are in a desktop. There is no Full Expose where you can see all the windows spread out on a desktop. And you certainly can't see your windows and spaces at the same time, so good luck if you want to move some windows around to different spaces.
I'm going to downgrade tonight and wait until an Expose/Spaces clone comes around. It is a shame because Lion has a lot of attractive features but not enough to let my work suffer.
When I'm in only one space and hit Expose (three fingers down) it just highlights whatever app I'm in and hides the rest. I hate that. The only way I can get it to show everything is to bring up Mission Control, which I don't want. I just want what's in my particular Space. As for moving apps between spaces, you can do that in Mission Control, or just by sliding them left or right to the next space.
They definitely took something that was pretty much perfect and mucked it all up for the sake of having another bulletpoint.
I agree. I was initially excited about Mission Control until I found out that it was a replacement for Expose/Space instead of a supplement. It would have been a nice add-on but is a really, really **** replacement.
I'm not trying to offend you, but I'm not sure if you know that Spaces still exist. If you enter Mission Control and put the mouse in the upper righthand corner you can create more desktops. Moving around those desktops is definitely not as good as it used to be, but Spaces still exist. Again sorry if you knew that.
The thing is though, it doesn't. You have multiple desktops in MC, but not the ability to drag entire desktops around and reorder them like in Spaces. You also can't easily drag programs around the same way. I used to have spaces set up as a hot corner, so I could just drag the program there and immediately be able to drop it wherever I wanted.
I think I'm going to use my Time Machine backup and go back to Snow Leopard tomorrow. The speed of Lion is great, but it's completely undermined by the fact that my productivity will go through the floor if I have to spend ages hunting for the one Word document I need mixed in amongst multiple PDFs, image files and web pages because I can't use Exposé. This feels like some sort of dumbed down OS for children who use iOS and want something similar on their PC - not a tool for power users.
Hi Capn,
Thanks, but I know spaces exists. The problem is the interaction between Expose and Spaces in Mission control make Mission Control a poor substitute for 10.5 and 10.6 Spaces/Expose. If you use more than 2 windows per Application it is very difficult to find windows, move windows between spaces, etc.
I have 6 desktops right now. On Desktop 3, I have 12 windows in it. I cannot see what is in Desktop 3 in a simple grid form. They are all overlapped even with expanding them out. Many windows are hidden.
My Desktop 3 is one topic only. Now in order for me to see the hidden windows in Desktop 3, I have to move 1/2 of them to yet another desktop. What a mess to have to again toggle between Desktops/Spaces to be able to function on the internet.
And please don't tell me to do tabs because much of what I do is comparing so I need to look at 2+ separate windows simultaneously.
And what's up with the small Mission Control 'window' that has a 4 inch border of wasted space when it could be used for spreading out the Safari Windows.
If you call those 'Spaces' as only showing perhaps 6 max of Safari windows and bonus points for having those windows overlap each other randomly even in expand mode. You can't see your windows if you have more than a few. Period.
Spaces showed ALL windows in a space in a clear grid form with no overlaps, hidden windows, etc. Huge difference if you're a big internet user who runs lots of net windows.
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That I really don't get, as it looks like a pinboard that you should be able to drop windows/folders onto and move them about into different desktops - but instead it's just a functionless border taking up real estate on my 13" screen. I dread to think what it looks like on the 11" MBAs.
The problem isn't spaces. The problem is the poor implementation of Expose. i.e. there is no way to show all the content in your windows when you have more than 2 windows per application.
I agree. And you don't have to be a big internet user. I write a lot of research papers/proposals and normally have 10 different programs with 40+ windows open at any one time. 10.5 and 10.6 Expose/Spaces allowed me to run this many things at once really, really easily.
Mission Control makes this impossible. I'll go back to Snow Leopard tonight but it is a shame that Mission Control is so poorly thought out and implemented that I will end up missing out on all the other features of Lion.
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This is making me REALLY not want to upgrade. I was already dubious about the benefits (to me), but if expose and spaces are gone as I know it...........
You won't get an argument from me. Mission Control is definitely a letdown, but more of a letdown is we don't even have the option to use Spaces as we once did. The UI department at Apple needs a lot of help.
If you use a Mac keyboard you can do a few things.
fn + F10 is Expose
cntrl + F3 (using the programmed macros from Apple)
Using modifier keys will expose a lot of little hidden gems.
Don't give up all hope.
Yeah. It is really a shame because Expose/Spaces is my favorite feature about OSX. It is the technology that enables me to work quickly and efficiently by allowing me to focus on my content and not window management.
Mission Control makes you focus on window management instead of your content. It is very un-apple.
Mission Control makes you focus on window management instead of your content. It is very un-apple.
I have "Application Windows" set as a hot corner and when I have a bunch of windows open in Safari, it lays them out just like the old expose used to. I don't see what the problem is.
The problem is, it only does this with Safari NOT with a mix of apps/windows/files I've got open in one desktop like Exposé used to.
The problem is that many of us use more than one application at a time. To switch between applications with a lot of windows is much more difficult in Mission Control than in any OSX 10.4 through 10.6. When I'm switching between applications I often am looking for a specific instance/window of a different application. Thus Application Expose is useless and the Application Expose in Mission Control doesn't reveal the windows.
It takes three mouse movements in 10.6 to find a specific window out of 10 applications, one movement to a hot corner to view my spaces, one mouse movement to enable every single window with Expose and one mouse movement to select the window.
The new Mission Control does NOT reveal all the windows. It broke something that worked really well for no good reason.
Unfortunately I wouldn't count on it. A bunch of developers like me have been complaining about it and sending bug reports directly to Apple for literally 5 months now (see here).
They had the chance to change it when they were still in the development stage. It's clear that they made up their minds.
Is there anyway for a developer to make an Expose/Spaces clone? I know they exist in Windows and Linux but my programming skills are limited to little things I write for my research.
I might try and write my own but that will have to wait 5 months until my thesis is done. Let me know if you have any suggestions to my post in the programming section.
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1191988/
I can completely echo your concerns and I've made a little pictorial representation of what I can't do in Lion vs Snow Leopard (I'm now back in Snow Leopard). If someone can show me doing the same thing in Lion I'll consider going back, but until then.
OK here we have a pretty regular scenario for me - Internet open in my central Space, iTunes in the left, iPhoto in the right and my workspace in the top Space:
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In the top Space I'm working on a Word document. Now, the problem is, I'm also working on a Powerpoint Presentation, using Finder and also using a bunch of journal articles in PDF format:
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But that's not a problem with Exposé - I can quickly find navigate to what I want in two gestures (four finger swipe, click):
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If you can show me that on Lion I'll admit I'm wrong, and it's the greatest system ever - until you can show me how to do that without affecting my productivity, I'm not interested.
OK here we have a pretty regular scenario for me - Internet open in my central Space, iTunes in the left, iPhoto in the right and my workspace in the top Space:
In the top Space I'm working on a Word document. Now, the problem is, I'm also working on a Powerpoint Presentation, using Finder and also using a bunch of journal articles in PDF format:
But that's not a problem with Exposé - I can quickly find navigate to what I want in two gestures (four finger swipe, click):
If you can show me that on Lion I'll admit I'm wrong, and it's the greatest system ever - until you can show me how to do that without affecting my productivity, I'm not interested.