When did they promise that? Don’t most people whine about having too many incremental updates instead of whining there is not enough?Really, Apple? You see drop in numbers from Mac sales? Gee, I wonder why. Could it be that you only have one AIO in your lineup with insides from 2021? No updates for 885 days. This is even worse delay than when they had Intel CPUs. It is the worst delay ever for an iMac. And you promised that with your own CPU architecture, the updates will come out much quicker.
I dont see Apple chasing higher margins, what I do see is Apple trying to maintain it's current margins in the face of increasing inflation. As the pricing of it's products is likely set at the limit that the general public will bear. Any price hike especially on the base models could tilt Mac sales further downwards.Yes, my mistake 24"
Agreed, the days of 'cheap' Macs are over.
Apple is after higher margins which they'll get by selling a Mac Studio/Studio Display instead of building an AIO 27" iMac.
When? When they introduced their own line of CPUs. They said that the reasons for introduction were performance gains and that don't have to wait for Intel's release plan but do it on their own terms. It is true though they didn't mention that their own terms could include being even slower with releases than Intel iMacs.When did they promise that? Don’t most people whine about having too many incremental updates instead of whining there is not enough?
There is no way Studio is cheaper option to 27" AIO if the cost of display only is is $1599 and base model of Mac Studio is $1999. The last base model of 27" iMac cost $1799 with identical display. Albeit Mac Studio is specced higher, not everyone needs that. Even if we count basic Mac Mini model at $799 + display at $1599 I doubt that entry level model of 27" AIO would cost $2399 in today's prices.I dont see Apple chasing higher margins, what I do see is Apple trying to maintain it's current margins in the face of increasing inflation. As the pricing of it's products is likely set at the limit that the general public will bear. Any price hike especially on the base models could tilt Mac sales further downwards.
I would hazard a guess that the Studio is a result of being a cheaper option to a new 27"/32" AIO. As the customer can now pick and choose their own peripheral's at a far lower price point than Apple's. TBH many would be just as well served by the Mac Mini as it's far more competent than it's Intel based predecessor's.
As ever Apple remains to have egregious pricing on it's inhouse upgrades as they know if you need the upgrade you have no other alternative barring external storage. One member did post an interesting supposition that potentially Apple offsets the pricing of the base model Mac's via the upgrade pricing as in general the base model Mac's do represent reasonable value.
Apple still has room to manouver as those in CONUS can find some very decent deals on some SKU's in the likes of Best By & Costco so someone is eating the cost. Rest of the world generally is stuck with RRP and that I think is Apple's concern as that's the growth area for the Mac...
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Apple has painted itself into a comer; if they launch a cheaper similar base model Studio spec 27" iMac it will eat into Studio & Studio Display sales. Pricing I would expect starting at around $3K if not more. Simply wont happen as even that undercuts the Studio and Apple's own display, also factor in mouse & keyboard.There is no way Studio is cheaper option to 27" AIO if the cost of display only is is $1599 and base model of Mac Studio is $1999. The last base model of 27" iMac cost $1799 with identical display. Albeit Mac Studio is specced higher, not everyone needs that. Even if we count basic Mac Mini model at $799 + display at $1599 I doubt that entry level model of 27" AIO would cost $2399 in today's prices.
Why do you need a fan? And one is presumed to use WiFi for an internet connection, hence no stock Ethernet.No fan and no Ethernet unless you spec up is a bad joke for a desktop.
The last base model of 27" iMac cost $1799 with identical display.
It's not like it's a $100 Chinese all in one...Why do you need a fan? And one is presumed to use WiFi for an internet connection, hence no stock Ethernet.
Sure, it's bare bones, but what is wrong with offering a bare bones item? Manufacturers often do this.
I have only heard rumors of OLED. Is there a chance it may be micro LED?Waiting for the microled or oled M3 iPad to upgrade from the A10X ipad Pros...
I am not looking for cheap Mac solution. I am looking for new solution when my 27" iMac will become obsolete. And I can't justify buying something way more expensive. When I add the inflation, the iMac I bought in 2019 would still be cheaper in today's rates than buying Mac Studio + Studio Display + Keyboard + Mouse. And cheap 4K displays won't work for me either, as there are multiple problems with sizing and DPI there. Not to mention I got accustomed to retina display. So there is a still market for affordable AIO with 5K display for sure. It was a perfect ratio of performance + display size and quality + price.But that's the thing. The displays Apple choose, either in an iMac or stand alone ASD, are high quality and expensive.
If one is concerned about price, just buy a base Mini and get a 4k 27" display from Amazon from other makers, many under $500.
If you qualify (and it isn't hard apparently), you can get a base Mac Mini from the Education store for $499, then all you need is a keyboard and mouse-thing both of which can be bought for a few dollars. Add a $400 display and you've got a system under $1k.
Maybe what we thought was the market for the iMac is just slowly dying off. I'm wanting a new iMac but I'm old and stuck in my ways. Young people today will just get a MacBook Air, and if they need a bigger display they can just hook their MacBook to an external monitor.
If my current iMac broke today I'd probably go the Mac Mini route and not get the current iMac as the replacement. I'm just hoping my current iMac keeps going until Apple decides to offer a high-spec iMac, if that day ever comes.
No reason you cannot keep your existing iMac keyboard and mouse. And depending on your usage, you might be able to use a mini instead of a studio.I am not looking for cheap Mac solution. I am looking for new solution when my 27" iMac will become obsolete. And I can't justify buying something way more expensive. When I add the inflation, the iMac I bought in 2019 would still be cheaper in today's rates than buying Mac Studio + Studio Display + Keyboard + Mouse. And cheap 4K displays won't work for me either, as there are multiple problems with sizing and DPI there. Not to mention I got accustomed to retina display. So there is a still market for affordable AIO with 5K display for sure. It was a perfect ratio of performance + display size and quality + price.
I am not looking for cheap Mac solution. I am looking for new solution when my 27" iMac will become obsolete. And I can't justify buying something way more expensive. When I add the inflation, the iMac I bought in 2019 would still be cheaper in today's rates than buying Mac Studio + Studio Display + Keyboard + Mouse. And cheap 4K displays won't work for me either, as there are multiple problems with sizing and DPI there. Not to mention I got accustomed to retina display. So there is a still market for affordable AIO with 5K display for sure. It was a perfect ratio of performance + display size and quality + price.
Right now, I really don't know how strong the demand for a 27" iMac really is.As said if you dont need the performance of the Studio there is the Mac Mini at considerably less cost and you choose your own peripheral's be them Apple or third party. Ultimately if the demand for a 27" iMac was strong Apple would be chasing it. Right now Apple is either saving such a product for a "rainy day" or currently has no interest due to demand/price ratio.
It's not like it's a $100 Chinese all in one...
Apple also seems to think that the majority of iMac users would be just as well served with a Mac mini or Mac Studio paired with a studio display.
A lot of my relatives are teachers, and their schools still rely on Ethernet for whatever reasons... it's not like that's a meaningless omission.No - it's an excellent desktop office computer. I bought mine a year ago, works perfectly today for what I use it for (office and personal stuff).
People who spend a lot of ink trashing the iMac 24 should actually use one for a day or two. It's a great machine. And the webcam is actually better than the webcam on the Apple Studio Display!
A lot of my relatives are teachers, and their schools still rely on Ethernet for whatever reasons... it's not like that's a meaningless omission.
Apparently not enough to drive Apple to release one.I really don't know how strong the demand for a 27" iMac really is.
Apple likely resisted releasing an X-Mac because they knew that their profit margins would crater if people got their hands on an expandable Mac desktop unit that they could keep upgrading the internals for indefinitely.
So the main issue is price? If a Mac Studio + Studio Display + Keyboard + Mouse, all from apple, cost the same as your inflation adjusted iMac, would you be happy?
It's literally been omitted from the base model... If you disagree with this statement, refer to a dictionary.Ethernet is not "omitted." It was included in my iMac, and is available for $30 per machine on the base iMac. Schools purchasing iMacs for their teachers can surely arrange favorable ethernet pricing when purchasing their machines.
One might argue no marketing person in history has ever been infallible. 👀.I continue to believe that the marketing folk at Apple know what they are doing. They have a decent, if not total, grasp on what people want.