Will we all have bent phones in 6 months from now?

[oneofthenine]

I'm not interested in starting a site. You are claiming to be without agenda and simply concerned for people whose phone's have bent.

That seems pretty clear cut.

This also seems clear cut. You're sure that you would start another site if there were large numbers, but now that you have been shown evidence of exactly that,
https://talk.sonymobile.com/t5/Xperia-Z1-Z1s/Just-realized-my-month-old-z1-is-bent/td-p/440181
of customers from a company other than Apple having large numbers of phones bend and having their claims refused, you've suddenly decided that despite it being a worthy cause, you're a bit too busy.

I can understand you being worried that publicity of other companies phones bending will dilute the message your site is trying to put out, but, if that is the case, the question can be asked whether or not your concerns are simply for the owners of bent phones or actually more exclusively about Apple itself.

Honestly my concerns were for apples customers as I am a large scale apple customer. But I think its a good point to look at which other phones are bending so I am happy to create a prominent link in the top right for a new 'other phones that bend' area. If this area receives a large number of any one model (eg xperia) then maybe it needs more prominence. Hopefully its a happy compromise as creating a whole new site for every phone released would too costly and time consuming for me.

I'll try to get this set up this evening (its morning here at the moment).

 

[AdonisSMU]

Yep. Oh well...

 

[12vElectronics]

Yep. Oh well...

My thoughts as well. Oh well..

 

[Surf Monkey]

Glad to see you are back to adding nothing of meaning to this discussion. I guess I shouldn't say back, since you have never added anything of meaning to any discussion.

Relax. It's a message board.

I think your theory is silly. Sorry. I just do. Furthermore, I find it very telling that the bendgate hysteria seems to have tailed off significantly. I can think of several reasons why. None of them have to do with iPhones suddenly becoming more structurally sound over the last few days.

 

[AdonisSMU]

Glad to see you are back to adding nothing of meaning to this discussion. I guess I shouldn't say back, since you have never added anything of meaning to any discussion.

You make a stupid post so people respond in kind. You get what you give.

 

[wxman2003]

You make a stupid post so people respond in kind. You get what you give.

One thing great about this country is you have the right to be ignorant. Good to see you exercise that right to it's fullest every day.

 

[urda]

The mods need to really start locking and nuking these threads. This "guys iPhones bend when you try to damage them" is getting ridiclous.

 

[McDaddio]

The mods need to really start locking and nuking these threads. This "guys iPhones bend when you try to damange them" is getting ridiclous.

What exactly is ridicious?

On the one hand you have CR and the videos of the people who try to show it bending demonstrate how much force is needed. One guy said his thumb was sore for 20 minutes afterwards, and the two people in the UK who went to the Apple store to bend phones talked about how at first they didn't bend, then eventually they were able to.

On the other hand you have people who claim they just put it in their gym bag or they babied them all the time, or just had them in their shirt pocket or that they checked the phone every day for bending and all those phones some how magically got bent. Just like that.

Then people followed up with hairgate and how their hair was so wedged in the phone that it was pulling their hair out by the roots. Or the people who claim their phone screen was scratched and they never had it near any item that could have possibly scratched it.

 

[Surf Monkey]

What exactly is ridicious?

On the one hand you have CR and the videos of the people who try to show it bending demonstrate how much force is needed. One guy said his thumb was sore for 20 minutes afterwards, and the two people in the UK who went to the Apple store to bend phones talked about how at first they didn't bend, then eventually they were able to.

On the other hand you have people who claim they just put it in their gym bag or they babied them all the time, or just had them in their shirt pocket or that they checked the phone every day for bending and all those phones some how magically got bent. Just like that.

Then people followed up with hairgate and how their hair was so wedged in the phone that it was pulling their hair out by the roots. Or the people who claim their phone screen was scratched and they never had it near any item that could have possibly scratched it.

You're not seeing it because you're taking it all at face value. But that's a poor way to approach it. For example: one of the bend reports we had here started out as a "magic pocket bend" but later turned out to be a bend caused by forcing the phone in and out of a stiff case every day. Another seemed like a "magic bend" but turned out to be a factory defect. Still others have similarly suspect stories behind them, the common thread seeming to be that the owner applied excessive force to the phone at some point.

So, yes. Ridiculous. Very much so.

 

[CoyoteRidge]

Millions of devices will be affected over time. The majority of these issues could have been prevented by using a rigid phone case or better manufacturing. This issue is in the nascent stages of discovery. And yes, oh yes, it's going to become much more prevalent over time. Apple should be, and will be embarrassed, very embarassed. Right now, the folks at Apple are in denial, deep denial.

 

[Brian Y]

It'll be interesting to see in a few months. I don't think the critical mass that will prompt apple to do something will be the number of units, I think it will come from online media pressure and the impact on public opinion if the stories of bent iPhones continue.

We will see.

The only thing that has been driving the bent-iphones issue are media outlets and you-tubers who have seen it as an opportunity for some quick ad revenue.

We get the same thing for pretty much every iPhone launch. Hating on success is cool, and gets those all-essential page views and ad hits.

 

[Eileen89]

My 6 Plus won't be bent 6 months from now.

 

[TwinCitiesJHawk]

I went to the apple store b/c my 6 plus had a slight bend/curve as i've kept it in my front pocket but never the back. I rarely sat down with it in the front pocket. After a little arguing with the apple store "genius", and refusing to pay the $80 for a replacement, they gave me a one time exception and swapped the phone out for me.

The lady said it was the very first 6+ she's seen bent, and it was due to "excess force, and my fault" They are in such denial about these phones bending in peoples front pockets without excess force .

She did state that bent phones are being sent to a special engineering department at apple to further investigate this problem, so we shall see what they do to solve this problem.

 

[Robert1-1]

Well according to the fanatics here, you sir must be lying. Phones don't bend miraculously, there has only been nine, mine hasn't bent and I climb telephone poles for a living, yada, yada. Forget that there have been dozens before you posting similar experiences here that keep getting ignored or blamed.

I went to the apple store b/c my 6 plus had a slight bend/curve as i've kept it in my front pocket but never the back. I rarely sat down with it in the front pocket. After a little arguing with the apple store "genius", and refusing to pay the $80 for a replacement, they gave me a one time exception and swapped the phone out for me.

The lady said it was the very first 6+ she's seen bent, and it was due to "excess force, and my fault" They are in such denial about these phones bending in peoples front pockets without excess force .

She did state that bent phones are being sent to a special engineering department at apple to further investigate this problem, so we shall see what they do to solve this problem.

 

[mailboxbetacoin]

With enough time, all our phones are bound to bend, right? As time goes on, will we see more and more bending? I'm worried that in 6 months, normal daily usage will cause bending over time.

I am afraid a lot of us will indeed have bent phones after months of use. I, myself, have a slightly bent phone from regular use and carrying in front pocket.

If it wasn't for all the discussion on bendgate, I may not have noticed that my phone was bent, and my guess is that most users won't notice a slight bent.

It is a problem though, and still need to be addressed. I can live with the slight bent for now, although it's annoying for a couple of reasons, but I am worried that the resale value of my phone dropped quite a bit from the moment it got bent.

 

[DillonCawthon]

Is it the 6 or the plus?

Mine is the 6 plus

 

[Robert1-1]

Another liar! All of you. You must all work for Samsung. Phones don't bend on their own.

I am afraid a lot of us will indeed have bent phones after months of use. I, myself, have a slightly bent phone from regular use and carrying in front pocket.

If it wasn't for all the discussion on bendgate, I may not have noticed that my phone was bent, and my guess is that most users won't notice a slight bent.

It is a problem though, and still need to be addressed. I can live with the slight bent for now, although it's annoying for a couple of reasons, but I am worried that the resale value of my phone dropped quite a bit from the moment it got bent.

 

[KdParker]

I am afraid a lot of us will indeed have bent phones after months of use. I, myself, have a slightly bent phone from regular use and carrying in front pocket.

If it wasn't for all the discussion on bendgate, I may not have noticed that my phone was bent, and my guess is that most users won't notice a slight bent.

It is a problem though, and still need to be addressed. I can live with the slight bent for now, although it's annoying for a couple of reasons, but I am worried that the resale value of my phone dropped quite a bit from the moment it got bent.

This thread has run its course.

Nothing new or relevant is being said, and until we start to see millions of bent phone, this issue isn't even worth having a 'gate' attached to it.

 

[appleii.c]

Another liar! All of you. You must all work for Samsung. Phones don't bend on their own.

To be fair, they really DON'T bend on their own. They need 55+ pounds of pressure to be applied. you can't just lay it on a table and it'll bend. Or extend it out in the air and let gravity do it's job. And even if it DID bend like that, it would have been Gravity doing the bending.. not the phone on its own.

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This thread has run its course.

Nothing new or relevant is being said, and until we start to see millions of bent phone, this issue isn't even worth having a 'gate' attached to it.

Millions? Heck, i'll settle for thousands. It may not even reach the "hundreds" category.

 

[mailboxbetacoin]

To be fair, they really DON'T bend on their own. They need 55+ pounds of pressure to be applied. you can't just lay it on a table and it'll bend. Or extend it out in the air and let gravity do it's job. And even if it DID bend like that, it would have been Gravity doing the bending.. not the phone on its own.

You're missing the point. Those are not desktop computers, they're not meant to stay all day on a table.

Assuming the test procedure is correct, and that it does need 70 pounds of force for it to bend, nobody publishes a study on the typical forces applied to a phone of that size in a front pocket, during various events of the day. So until we know what kind of force a phone is subject to when sitting down with phone in front pocket for example, discussing numbers is pointless.
All we can do really is compare those numbers to other phones, including previous generations of iPhones, and indeed this one is much weaker.

Another problem with these studies, they really show the amount of force required to bend the phone to the point of it breaking the screen. I think the bigger concern is a slight bent, we don't really know how much force it takes to slightly bend the phone; but we can only guess that if it bends that much with 70 pounds of force, that a slight bent will be visible with much much less

 

[TwinCitiesJHawk]

Well according to the fanatics here, you sir must be lying. Phones don't bend miraculously, there has only been nine, mine hasn't bent and I climb telephone poles for a living, yada, yada. Forget that there have been dozens before you posting similar experiences here that keep getting ignored or blamed.

Yep... i plan to only reply to this, with the attached pic (mines the gold one), and fade away into the shadows of this thread. Good day!

 

[kalebnate]

Haven't you heard? There have been a total of NINE reports so far. Hardly an epidemic.

This is something I don't understand with everyone mentioning that statement. Apple stated 9 only reported by the date they announced that statement, doesn't mean only 9 are reported UNTIL NOW. It's common sense.

 

[appleii.c]

You're missing the point. Those are not desktop computers, they're not meant to stay all day on a table.

Assuming the test procedure is correct, and that it does need 70 pounds of force for it to bend, nobody publishes a study on the typical forces applied to a phone of that size in a front pocket, during various events of the day. So until we know what kind of force a phone is subject to when sitting down with phone in front pocket for example, discussing numbers is pointless.
All we can do really is compare those numbers to other phones, including previous generations of iPhones, and indeed this one is much weaker.

Another problem with these studies, they really show the amount of force required to bend the phone to the point of it breaking the screen. I think the bigger concern is a slight bent, we don't really know how much force it takes to slightly bend the phone; but we can only guess that if it bends that much with 70 pounds of force, that a slight bent will be visible with much much less

See, I disagree. I think the numbers are the best barometer of the issue at hand. We can have a test show the force of a 170 lb Man wearing a pair of slacks... and then you would still have the naysayers claiming that "They dont weigh 170lbs, and they wear different pants". I think the best test, the most reliable test, is the one being performed right now by 20+ million people. the "true" every day test. I think if it gets up to .5% then it is a real issue. 0.5%!! Right now it's nowhere near that.

I ran my own personal test this past weekend. I'm being careful with my 6, but not TOO careful. I want anything to happen to it early while its still under warranty. I spent a day in the Florida Keys, walking the island for a good 4-5 miles in total. Hot as H*ll, wearing jeans, with my phone in my front pocket pretty much the entire time. And it's still straight. To me it passed.

 

[mailboxbetacoin]

See, I disagree. I think the numbers are the best barometer of the issue at hand. We can have a test show the force of a 170 lb Man wearing a pair of slacks... and then you would still have the naysayers claiming that "They dont weigh 170lbs, and they wear different pants". I think the best test, the most reliable test, is the one being performed right now by 20+ million people. the "true" every day test. I think if it gets up to .5% then it is a real issue. 0.5%!! Right now it's nowhere near that.

We don't disagree on that; IF we knew the numbers of bent phones out there, we could extrapolate what that number would be after 2 years of normal use, and draw conclusions. BUT we don't know those numbers.
And a lot of you guys don't seem to understand that if a phone isn't bent after a week or so of use, it doesn't mean it will not bend during its normal life span. We're not talking about a defect that is visible out of the box, but an issue that develops over time.
Only the test of time will tell us the definite truth.

I ran my own personal test this past weekend. I'm being careful with my 6, but not TOO careful. I want anything to happen to it early while its still under warranty. I spent a day in the Florida Keys, walking the island for a good 4-5 miles in total. Hot as H*ll, wearing jeans, with my phone in my front pocket pretty much the entire time. And it's still straight. To me it passed.

You're again making the same mistake as a lot of people here. You're generalizing from example. Yours didn't bend from wearing in front pocket for a few hours is very different from saying that no phone will be bend from normal use over a period of 2 years.

 

[oneofthenine]

Agree completely. Time will be the telling factor with this one, unless apple come out and make a proper statement about the problem.