That's all I want. To play on my Mac, or even on an Apple TV, so I can ditch the console and PC and just use a Mac. I don't understand why Apple is so against gaming. Is it because Apple only has boomers in high positions? Gaming is how they can make even more money. They should have invested more in gaming right after the M chip Macs launched. I bet if they had done that and brought gaming to the VP too, VP wouldn't have been such a flop. VR is basically made for gaming.
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The gaming area Apple is focusing on is mobile games, which are often just scams. The Candy Crush mom style games. They should stop being so boring and start make a serious attempt on bringing games on the Mac. Soon it will be the best time to enter the market because Xbox is on its last legs and an Apple TV Pro could fill the gap left by Xbox after Microsoft exits the console hardware market.
No one cares bout Windows 10 end of support and eventually will buy a new laptop with Windows 11/12. macOS is as bad as windows 11 are. Maybe some users are convinced by their iPhones
Possibly but I can say I switched from Windows (even though the gov't was/is pretty much in the MS camp) when Win8 came out and tried to force everyone to a touch interface. So there may be some validity.
So many decades ago I worked for DEC in the RSTS monitor group. Times and maintenance were so much simpler, except when I had to reissue a monitor patch twice because I missed two different edge conditions. Thank goodness it only concerned displaying the correct device name and wasn't a crashing bug.
I'll be curious to see the stats in a few months. 2026 year of the Linux desktop, for real this time?
Probably not but a man can dream
Probably not but a man can dream
All this whining about the Microsoft account!
Do you guys all use your Mac without an Apple account?! 🤔
Do you guys all use your Mac without an Apple account?! 🤔
Welcome to a better OS and experience.
Is what I would say if it wasn’t for macOS 26
I can’t speak on windows 11.
I do agree that macOS is far from perfect and some features that should be standard have to be found and enabled by the user manually, which is frustrating when setting up a machine as new.
I grew up with 98, then 7 and then had 8 on my first personal laptop before upgrading to 10.
Only switched to macOS in 2018 and I preferred it after 4 weeks.
After using macOS I dread every second using Windows. It’s just clunky.
Personally I know of not a single person that got a Mac, disliked it and returned to Windows.
My girlfriend got an upgraded 2019 MacBook Pro as a windows machine and she now only uses macOS on it.
Obviously that all is only anecdotal evidence.
I have no pity or sympathy for that Microsoft „has“ to support millions of individual pieces of hardware. If you want to be considered the standard, you have to support as much hardware as possible. Obviously you can’t optimize for all hardware.
As a consumer, you either pay a higher price upfront for hardware the software is optimized for or you pay with your own patience and sanity, that’s my experience (although I paid with all three for my 2017 MacBook Pro, but only with money for my M1 Pro 14“).
I respect your opinion, I just disagree.
Is what I would say if it wasn’t for macOS 26
macOS is far more intuitive than windows 10 ever was. The lack of trackpad gestures and a comprehensive design language underline this massively.
I can’t speak on windows 11.
I do agree that macOS is far from perfect and some features that should be standard have to be found and enabled by the user manually, which is frustrating when setting up a machine as new.
I grew up with 98, then 7 and then had 8 on my first personal laptop before upgrading to 10.
Only switched to macOS in 2018 and I preferred it after 4 weeks.
After using macOS I dread every second using Windows. It’s just clunky.
Personally I know of not a single person that got a Mac, disliked it and returned to Windows.
My girlfriend got an upgraded 2019 MacBook Pro as a windows machine and she now only uses macOS on it.
Obviously that all is only anecdotal evidence.
I have no pity or sympathy for that Microsoft „has“ to support millions of individual pieces of hardware. If you want to be considered the standard, you have to support as much hardware as possible. Obviously you can’t optimize for all hardware.
As a consumer, you either pay a higher price upfront for hardware the software is optimized for or you pay with your own patience and sanity, that’s my experience (although I paid with all three for my 2017 MacBook Pro, but only with money for my M1 Pro 14“).
I respect your opinion, I just disagree.
My 69-year-old brother called me last weekend, asking for information about installing Linux Mint on his computer. He is financially strapped, so no Apple is in his sights. He also, at his age and health, only has basic needs. I use Debian, but have used Mint; we went over a few things about burning an .iso and partitioning. The next day, he called, had Mint installed, and was happy with it. He still has a learning curve, but at 69, he is still bright enough to manage that. 
His motivating factor was Windows 10 going away; his Dell did not support Windows 11, and he had no burning desire to buy a new computer to run Windows 11. It will take some years, but one would think that Microsoft is slowly crushing its own OS business.
His motivating factor was Windows 10 going away; his Dell did not support Windows 11, and he had no burning desire to buy a new computer to run Windows 11. It will take some years, but one would think that Microsoft is slowly crushing its own OS business.
I don’t know how accurate this is, but it seems like the upgrade path from Windows 10 is divided near equally between Windows 11, macOS, and Linux
Well, that's something!
Well, if you've not tried Linux, in between those times, that's a pity. You can still try, just get an older cheaper Windows laptop, and dual boot and see a new free world. Take care!
I am platform agnostic and use macOS and Win11 daily. I have zero issues with either and see benefits in them both [I use the PC to create 3D and genAi using powerful GPU's and the mac for everything else] and are seamlessly integrated using Onedrive for file sharing. This is the optimal solution for me, using the best of both worlds. I could game on my mac no problems playing PC games, whenever I want, but this is for work so keep all gaming on consoles.
In fact as I type this on my Mac, I have the PC rendering away, remotely in the studio, then I review the images here. Its an excellent workflow.
In fact as I type this on my Mac, I have the PC rendering away, remotely in the studio, then I review the images here. Its an excellent workflow.
MacOS could do it tomorrow if Apple brought support for OpenGL and Vulkan (Asahi Linux already showed it's possible and good on M chips), but they really need to support aftermarket GPUs again. You ought to be able to plug a GPU into a TB to PCIe adapter. Until then, my gaming desktop runs Linux. Steam works fine. Even most of the stupid anti-cheats work fine.
No, the main source of MS profits these days is Azure. That is what has made them a multi trillion dollar company.
I meant the Surface laptop, he said hardware wise PC are behind, to be fair the Surface laptop is on par with Mac, the Os? That's a personal preference i guess.
Hate windows all you like, hate Microsoft all you like, but surface laptop are very good.
I use mostly ipads because they do all I need for my work, but had a surface laptop 3 and was amazing.
Expect that Mac Market share to continue to grow with the low cost Macs, especially with back to school shopping.. And further still with low cost Macs with touch support. Kids have grown up with touch and they expect it on everything.
And with the upcoming Android desktop OS, expect Windows to continue to slowly drift into obscurity. Ditto Linux.
And with the upcoming Android desktop OS, expect Windows to continue to slowly drift into obscurity. Ditto Linux.
Isn't it ironic that some of those frustrated users retaliate by switching to Mac? If you dislike being forced to upgrade your OS and/or computer every ten years, then I'm afraid Apple isn't exactly for you…
- Windows 10 came out in 2015 and was supported by Microsoft until 2025.
- macOS 10.11 El Capitán came out in 2015 and was supported by Apple until 2018.
- A standard iMac from 2015 became incompatible with the latest macOS in 2024.
Actually it's also due to Windows 11: Microsoft tries to force all Windows users to upgrade AND scrap their perfectly working computer, because Microsoft thinks people will keep buying new computers to keep using Windows. Well, that's not happening anymore. People are fed up with wasting money on new computers, and making the e-waste landfills even bigger. Many have already moved to Linux and macOS.
Do you have a Windows 11 laptop, by the way? Do you use Windows 11 everyday? Have you even used Windows 10 before? If you do that, when do you have time to use a Mac?
I grew up using nothing but Windows, windows, windows. For ~2 decades of my life I’ve used nothing but windows. Windows 10 was an excellent, reliable OS. Being a tech nerd though I am always excited to jump onto the latest thing, and I quickly updated to Windows 11 when it was announced, trying it all the way from the beta to its current state today (the OS remains on my gaming PC). Windows 11 is just awful. Not quite as bad as Windows 8 was, but it’s truly a mess. It feels like a joke, and now it’s full of ads at every corner. Windows 11 drove me to buy & try my first MacBook, and now it’s all I use for anything except video games. I’ve gone full Apple, including the iPhone, iPad, AirPods, etc etc. I can’t imagine I’m the only one who went through this same experience. Microsoft is screwing themselves very badly on Windows lately.
Agree. I also hated writing software for Windows. They kept coming out with brand new libraries to do the same thing. In some cases that made it a real pain to search for answers on using some library call as the exact same names of functions and such will be in two very very different libraries that do similar things. I prefer the simplicity of the Unix foundation of MacOS.