Laptops are no desktops. To me, you behave like a stubborn Apple employee. If you are, you should know better what is discussed here. I have no problems with Apple but I am also not shy to call a spade a spade. No offense.
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Windows 10 is silly fast, even when compared to Yosemite
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I'm not an Apple employee. I just don't seen any need for Siri on a MacBook. I think MS added Cortana as a point of difference, but in reality is it really that useful?
MS did what it always does and rushes an OS release out with feature missing and some UI issues. Apple sometimes does the same.
Maybe you're the stubborn one. Slating Apple for not providing Windows support for your MacBook!
ok, then please understand that Windows 10 is an OS for tablets as well. no such a thing like OSX and iOS in the MS environment. MS did what Apple should have done already quite some time ago. i own OSX and iOS devices. will i be happy with one OS for all devices in the future ? yes. do i like enhanced functionality on tablets ? yes.
I'm not saying it's not. Windows 10 seems like it could be great on tablets. It's certainly designed with that in mind. After using OS X for the past 4 years, I've become accustomed to it. The UI is a vast improvement over Windows 8 though. That being said, I'm finding that I'm booting into Windows more frequently than I used to.
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I have not run el captain yet, and I hope it is improved, but I know it's not improved enough to catch up with 10. As I stated before I ran yosemite on a spinner and it was choking badly, I have it on ssd now and while it's probably 100% better at least 10 (as did 8.1) runs as good on the spinner as yosemite does on ssd. Osx is VERY laggy buggy and they are not going to make that much improvement with a revamp like el capitan. Remember 10 was just released and yosemite has been out, plus el capitan is a facelift of yosemite. I am going to stick with osx, but apple could do a lot better than they are doing. Yosemite is still not the stable os it should be. They have become very lax in their software releases and need to get it together.
As for siri on the desktop I doubt I would use it, but I will not claim to speak for everyone or know everyone's needs. People are different. I remember a lot of people saying nobody needs an ipad mini or an iphone larger than 3.5. People tend to think their needs/wants reflects everyone's and they do not.
You also keep using "vast improvement" which seems to point to some doubt. osx ui is not a "vast" improvement over 8.1, it's not even close in performance. Shut down the charms bar and metro and the ui for 8.1 is not bad at all. 8.1 is worlds faster so that alone eliminates osx being vastly superior, even in ui. I also seriously doubt el capitan is a "vast" improvementover yosemite, I read the el capitan forum regularly. Just pointing out, people that use terms like that constantly are usually compensating for some doubt.
I first thought about getting rid of osx and just running 10 on my mac, but I am going to stay with osx. When it comes time for a new computer it will be a bigger decision. The really good thing that cold happen is if apple starts to lose some market share because of 10 and they get their act together. If ms can come out with fast os's then surely apple can. While switching to ssd's is a good thing it's also a way of speeding up the os without really doing anything to improve the os. Windows still runs fast on spinners, I bet on an ssd it would be something else.
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My one biggest hangup, for both Ciri and Cortana, is that it feels weird to talk at my computer, even if does answer back. The good thing is, Cortana can still be driven by text commands, so it still has some uses for people like me.
Lol. I think I am just old and set in my ways. I have been doing computers since dos and I do not use siri at all on my phone or tablet. In fact I am old fashioned enough that I may go back to a flip phone as with an ipad mini I rarely use my phone for anything but calling. When I am home I shut it off.
I think we're falling behind, man. Pretty soon, we're going to be those old people fumbling about, trying to figure out which end we plug our mindjacks into.
I can see Cortana seeing some use by some people especially in a work environment. It helps multitasking if it works well. You can sort through papers on your desk or hold your phone to your ear while giving commands to add a calendar entry. I use google now mostly while driving, because it is just not save to look at the screen for more than split seconds.
I also think once AI Assitent use becomes more natural it is really helpful for people that aren't that great with computers. I know the speed at which my mother hits the keyboard and makes the computer do things, it is damn slow and Cortana would vastly increase the speed of doing some actions for her.
AI assistents have potential to become really useful and on a desktop just as well as on a phone. For the phone it is mostly while driving, running, doing something with your hands or your attention. With the computer it is mostly your attention that might not be fully on the task but is enough to give quick commands to an assistent.
I think they definitely belong on the desktop and in 5 years people might consider them a normal thing. Maybe longer in the office use with how slow they update hardware and you do need a microphone a half decent one. Grandmas will love it.
I also think once AI Assitent use becomes more natural it is really helpful for people that aren't that great with computers. I know the speed at which my mother hits the keyboard and makes the computer do things, it is damn slow and Cortana would vastly increase the speed of doing some actions for her.
AI assistents have potential to become really useful and on a desktop just as well as on a phone. For the phone it is mostly while driving, running, doing something with your hands or your attention. With the computer it is mostly your attention that might not be fully on the task but is enough to give quick commands to an assistent.
I think they definitely belong on the desktop and in 5 years people might consider them a normal thing. Maybe longer in the office use with how slow they update hardware and you do need a microphone a half decent one. Grandmas will love it.
Yep. I'm already constantly looking for stuff I misplaced. I see myself as my grandfather when I was a kid.
I can remember when people thought tv remotes were stupid. "Anyone would have to be really lazy to have to use one of them, the tv is only a few feet away".
Never underestimate how lazy people want to be.
I was gonna reply to this, but...eh.
When I say vast improvement, I was referring to El Cap over Yosemite, not 8.1. Yosemite was awful on my MBP, but El Capitan is much smoother and quicker. Windows 7+ is far more responsive and quicker than OS X, but I don't use Windows as my primary OS. I spent quite a long time on Windows before moving to a Mac, and there is no going back. I agree that Apple could do much more to improve OS X and bring it on par with Windows, but in other areas they offer a much better experience (iCloud, iOS integration etc).
Yes I got that, I actually referred to that in my post:
"I also seriously doubt el capitan is a "vast" improvementover yosemite, I read the el capitan forum regularly. Just pointing out, people that use terms like that constantly are usually compensating for some doubt."
Just making an observation and while I truly hope it is a "vast" improvement I doubt it has improved enough to come close to windows. Windows 7, 8.1 and 10 are all faster than osx. Like I said, for now I am going to stay with osx and will be upgrading to el cap when it comes out I figure it still has a way to go to catch up and hopefully 10 will light a fire under apple.
I'm not trying to insult you, but it's normal for someone that switches to try and justify it. I switched also and everything I own is apple, but I am not a brand loyalist. I think ios was a good switch, have an iphone and ipad, the atv does everything I want in that regards but osx I am not so sure about....at least up to this point. I am not going to be hasty though until at least el cap is released.
I also was a long time windows user, started with dos on to windows and built a ton of computers. Yosemite has been unstable and more buggy than anything I ran since windows 98. Apple is a hardware company, they need to concentrate some more on the software.
I will say I have not had near as many problems with ios as osx, just in the earliest versions. I think the best thing apple could do is go to a 2 year release, it seems they are releasing beta's as the final release. Bad beta's in the area of yosemite. Since el capitan is just a facelift it should be better, the next release will be buggy though. That's how it has been for a while. Release a completely new, buggy version, then release a facelift version a year later. Then do it again.
It's mostly our fault though, for accepting anything they put out. I'm curious if windows 10 will do anything to change that.
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Never underestimate how lazy people want to be.
Us old people can't be accused of that (underestimating it). I and a lot of people worked at a young age, through school, at whatever we could do. Now you can't even get kids out of the house. I'm sure it's even worse in the us.
I'm finding Windows 10 to have some obvious flakiness, mostly relating to disk activity. These are manifest in some rare failed booting, sleep from wake, and accessing HFS+ drives. I expected it anyway with a new OS and because we don't have truly tested Bootcamp drivers for it.
It will take at least a year for us to see Win10 mature and become rock solid. That's what happens with every release. The biggest problem NT platforms always had and still has is that when the system crashes or you have to force reboot it can damage the file system and make you go through loops to repair it. If you force shutdown OSX it almost always boots back up with no problem.
It will take at least a year for us to see Win10 mature and become rock solid. That's what happens with every release. The biggest problem NT platforms always had and still has is that when the system crashes or you have to force reboot it can damage the file system and make you go through loops to repair it. If you force shutdown OSX it almost always boots back up with no problem.
people tend to forget and forgive, and so do i. yesterday i did a clean osx install - mavericks - keeping my perfectly running bootcamp W10. i used yosemite before, what a vast osx improvement. i will not update to el cap due to it's rootless 'feature'. i used osx as a portable unix on my MBP but in the last 1-2 years i changed this habit and run Ubuntu on top of Windows in a VM.
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It's the future. It makes some hands free features very useful. For example, you're changing clothes and went to know how the weather is going to be. Carry on looking through your dresses while Siri/Cortana lets you know if it's going to rain or not. Or you are already trying to sleep and want to create a reminder or alarm without getting up from bed. As the neural network improves it will feel more natural and conversational. You'll be using your assistants for managing your home energy usage, utility control, searching quick facts, etc. Right now it's all very robotic and dead, when it becomes very realistic and natural it will be hard to live without it because of the time and energy you will save.
i don't use spinners and back up my MBP on a daily basis ( full backup after new installations or system changes ). doing this, your issues are non existing for me. and i don't think W10 will need one year to mature. it looks already rock solid to me.
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It's installed on SSD but you are right that spinners can cause issues. I just had a hard crash trying to access a HFS+ spinner.
Yes. Please read I don't use spinners as internal disks in portable computers. Too unreliable, too dangerous. SSD's do a better job. I use spinners for external backups and data exchange.
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Totally agree about Yosemite. Up until about 10.10.4 it was just awful on my MBP. 10.10.4 fixed some of the issues, but not everything. El Capitan is much improved and responds much better. If I had an SSD I'd probably see more of a benefit.
Bingo. I clean installed it at launch and it was zippy... and a week later, after installing only a few apps, booting from cold now takes 2.5 minutes (Quad i7, 16 GB, 7200 hard drive).