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Windows 10 is silly fast, even when compared to Yosemite
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I bought a Logitech C615 webcam. Mic and camera for a great price. Ask Cortana to sing a song. It's really cheesy. She needs better taste in music.
Windows 10 is surprisingly good on my Surface 3 with 2 GB RAM and 64 GB SSD. Don't expect an ultra-mind-blowing performance, but it is zippy. Windows 10 feels much faster than Windows 8.1 on this machine, and I am impressed. I dare to say that Windows 10 runs better on my Surface 3 then OS X Yosemite runs on my 15-inch early 2013 retina MacBook Pro with a 2.4 GHz Core i7 and 8 GB RAM running on a resolution that resembles 1920x1200. Of course the MacBook Pro has far more horsepower than the Surface 3, but the Surface 3 feels snappier under Windows 10.
Windows 10 definitely isn't under 4GB - unless you're talking about the disk image. It's around 11GB when installed. Add a couple years of Patch Tuesday and that number is only going to go up.
If you have a SSD (and Windows installer decides that it is fast enough and your CPU is sufficient) then it will compress during install. This is mine with Office installed - it is 3.8GB. In my case it would be 18.3 GB without compression due mainly to all my Office 2010 patches.
If the installation didn't compress your install (sometimes it doesn't - the exact criteria are unknown to me) and you have a recent Mac with SSD then you can do it manually by going to administrator command prompt and entering the command compact /compactos:always
As always there is debate as to whether it is faster (due to less I/O) or slower (due to decompressing) but I can't say I noticed a difference either way. When I upgraded from 7 to 10 it was compressed, when I did a clean install it wasn't so I did an in-place upgrade (from 10 Pro to 10 Pro) and it was compressed again. I have a 2013 rMBP incidentally.
Ah man thanks for your reply. That's fascinating. I had absolutely no idea. I'm stipulating that maybe it's due to the size of your SSD? After all there was a massive backlash with the MS Surface - a 64GB model would only have ~35GB usable from stock. So possibly the read/write speed of the SSD means they can compress it in certain situations.
At any rate, this is news to me. Thanks again for the info!
Could well be the size of SSD. It would explain it not compressing on the clean install - perhaps it only compresses if there is a small amount of free space. I only have 120GB SSD with 66 assigned to Windows 10 and 55 to El Cap. It isn't really enough for either but the compression certainly helps.
If you are interested in other compression tips there is an interesting thread here: http://forums.mydigitallife.info/threads/60744-Windows-10-Compression
The most useful except for compact compactos:always is
cd "c:\Program Files"&compact /s /c /f /exe:xpress16k changing the directory to what you want. I compressed "Program Files" 97% using that from 2.2GB to 69MB for example. Really quite astonishing.
Then I'm quite sure there's a hardware and/or software problem on your side. I've been using Yosemite since it was released on three different Macs more or less daily (one at work and two at home) and while I did notice that network problem once or twice (discoveryd process pre Yosemite 10.10.4) I have had 0 Kernel Panics.
I also don't feel Yosemite is so much slower compared to Windows. Opening apps is a bit quicker in Windows, but once they're open I feel OS X is quick to work with. And app opening is noticeable quicker in El Capitan, so the difference will be less once that is released.
Anyway, looking forward to comparing Windows 10 and OS X once El Capitan is out. I guess there will be advantages and disadvantages to both, but I'm quite sure I'll prefer OS X still. If nothing else for the GUI.
Yosemite is WAAAY slower than windows 10 comparing ssd to ssd or spinner to spinner. I think you are the only person I have seen claim it's not. I know that idea hurts fanboy feelings, but it's true. I got this equipment new last christmas and yosemite has always ran bad even on a number of clean installs.....then again I see no point in trying to make myself beleive it's better than it really is. Yosemite on a spinner launches apps horribly slow, runs horribly slow and is unbearable. It's way better on ssd but windows on spinner is still faster. I deleted windows as I do not need 2 systems, and do not plan on switching right now but apple needs to straighten out this mess.
There's no way apple is going to touch 10's speed with a facelift such as el cap, at minimum it will take a new os.
I am comparing it SSD to SSD. I have a Mac Pro (Mid 2010) with Windows 10 freshly installed on one SSD and Yosemite 10.10.5 on another SSD. I don't agree Yosemite is ”WAAY slower”. It's not about fanboyism at all.
I agree Yosemite is bad on a ”spinner”, but I can tell you my lightly used Windows 8.1 installation (upgraded from Windows 7) was horrible on a spinner too. Anyway, I agree apps launch a bit faster in Windows, but app launch time is improved in El Cap (I'm running the beta on a computer at work).
To conclude, even if Windows 10 is faster than Yosemite I don't agree it's ”WAAY faster”. And El Cap will be faster. Let's compare the two (Win 10 OS X) when El Cap is released.
I personally don´t care much about what people think whether OSX or W10 is better. I bought a MBP 7,1 ( 2.66 GHZ, 13", mid 2010 ) in mid 2010 and installed W10 - clean - about 3+ weeks ago when it has been officially released. The MBP has always been used for BootCamp Windows 7 mainly. All I can say is that after 5 years everyday usage, a 8 GB RAM upgrade, a 480 GB SSD upgrade, a $35 keyboard replacement ( including a new backlight for the ease of the repair procedure ) and a $10 new Magsafe 1 DC cable this MBP performs really fast and I feel zero motivation to buy a new one. Previously I swapped my computers after 3 years and now I don´t know why I should. Everything, and I mean really everything works perfect and better than new. Still on the first battery. This machine has no USB 3.0 and so I use Firewire 800 for external backup, restore and recovery. My daily driver, a great and fast little notebook! I don´t use it for gaming though.
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Great! But I'm quite sure you'd be happy performance wise running Yosemite on it too. Or what is it you're trying to say?
We have several of the same generation at work (15" though) and after putting an SSD in them people are quite happy with performance in OS X.At work I use an MacBook Pro (15-inch, Late 2011) with 16 GB RAM and Yosemite 10.0.5. It doesn't have a pure SSD, but a Momentus XT which is a hybrid, 4 GB of SSD and a ”spinner” for a total of 500 GB. I'm having 20 applications running on it right now and 31 tabs in Safari and it still is quick to work with. Apps doesn't launch super quick (or as fast as they would do in Windows 10), but once they're open things work quite fast. With a real SSD it would of course be even quicker.
So, I don't agree that Windows is WAAAAY faster than Yosemite (faster perhaps, but not ”waaay”). Not even compared to Yosemite which is slower than El Capitan. Plus there are GUI things that makes me move around and work more quickly in OS X compared to Windows.
When you talk about the speed of an interface remember that OSX animates every frame of minimising and maximising. Win10 fades the window in the middle of an animation giving the illusion that it moved quicker. But it's about the same.
How can you compare on separate SSDs, use the same SSD.
I would also agree, W10 is "way" smoother and faster than OS X on my 2014 i7 hardware.
I'm comparing on two Samsung SSDs. OS X has the 850 Pro and Windows has 850 EVO. The 850 on OS X has of course the upper hand, but not by that much. And like I said I'm also comparing to the Momentus XT (4 GB SSD plus platter drive for a total of 500 GB) on a slower computer (laptop) that I have at work.
What exactly it is that you think is ”way” smoother and faster in Windows 10 compared to Yosemite? App launching? Graphics? Anyway, I think we shall compare to El Capitan, which isn't so far away. Both app launching and graphics are faster there.
This might be a late reply but: Right click Taskbar > Properties > Under "Taskbar Appearance" > Taskbar Buttons: "Never Combine". I think this is what you meant. If not then ignore me xD.
Yes, I had forgotten about this option. This improves things a bit, but still there is a gap in the way the task bar works.
You are comparing it ssd to ssd and I am comparing yosemite on an ssd to windows on a spinner. Windows is still faster and smoother in every way. Windows on a spinner blows yosemite away in terms of speed and smoothness big time, no way it's even close with both on ssd.
Read the posts here, you seem to be alone in this. I'm sure on ssd 10 would be even faster but as I said windows 10 is *WAAAY* faster on a 5200 spinner than yosemite is on an ssd. Period. I have yosemite on a samsung 850 evo ssd and installed 10 to the stock 500gb 5200 spinner. Yosemite is worlds better on the ssd than it was on the spinner, on the spinner it was pretty much unusable, but it's still not up to windows on an ssd. Yosemite is slower and more laggy on an ssd than windows on a spinner and I will not defend apple on this. Waving pom pom's does nothing toward getting the issues fixed.
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I haven't tried Windows 10 on a spinner so I don't know, maybe you're right. But I am comparing OS X Yosemite on a spinner (or not far from, only 4 GB of flash storage)– i.e. the computer I have at work. Windows 8.1 was (like I said) really slow on a desktop drive for me so I doubt Windows 10 is so much better. Maybe when it's freshly installed.
And I must say I wonder exactly is it you're measuring when you say Windows is faster? Just now I was in Windows 10 (on SSD 850 EVO) and a right click in the desktop gave a spinning circle for a sec before the menu comes up. There was also some lag when I moved a window in Firefox while loading a page. Anyway... I mean, I agree Windows is faster, but I don't think the difference is that big as you say. At least not when both OS X and Windows 10 has an SSD. And especially not in El Capitan vs Windows 10.
But you're right in that I agree Apple should work to be at least as Windows (if not faster) in all scenarios. So, if there's work to be done, perhaps let them know by giving feedback of sending a bug report?
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I have bad news for you. I'm running the latest El Cap beta and I can promise you unless there are some dramatic changes between now and RTM, Windows 10 is still way faster. El Cap is maybe 5-10% faster than Yosemite at best.
Okay, too bad. But in the universe I live in I don't think Windows 10 is ”way faster” than even Yosemite, so all good then.
What is it your measuring when you conclude Windows 10 is way faster?
I'm not citing any kind of scientific evidence, but I use both everyday. Windows 10 even in a virtual overall feels much snappier. It boots faster, windows open in an instant, applications open nearly instantaneous. I'm not necessarily saying El Cap is a slouch, but in terms of perceived performance it's immediately noticable.Okay, too bad. But in the universe I live in I don't think Windows 10 is ”way faster” than even Yosemite, so all good then.
What is it your measuring when you conclude Windows 10 is way faster?