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The native vs pwa battle is heating up. Seeing as Flutter apps are cross platform, this is huge news.
Makes me wonder if native really is the future. As science fiction is usually a reliable gauge, it only seems logical that an app should and eventually will run on all operating systems/platforms. A single code-base for all platforms. Next best thing to a crystal ball I guess.
One benefit of iOS being locked-down is that Apple limits PWAs and bans Chromium/Electron, so developers actually have to build good native apps, as opposed to crappy web apps.
 
You don't have a clue. Large enterprises and even not so large are spending a fortune on Microsoft licenses. They don't have iPhones, iPads, Stores revenue, almost no hardware and yet have almost the same market cap as Apple.
Yeah, they are spending sooo much money on Microsoft, yet Microsoft is fighting so hard to get people interested in their products lately with anti-Mac ads, anti-iPad ads and also including today's intro of Windows 11, AKA Mac....on top of Windows. They couldn't even keep their stores open, they had to close them. Yeah Microsoft is doing sooo well as competitors to Apple.
 
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That’s fortunate for you. That is the magic of competition. You can purchase a Windows tablet and have the experience you want!
If Apple would just bring MacOS to the M1 iPad Pros.
It would be terrible. Apple makes laptops, so if that is what you want you are covered. Why would they damage the market for people who want the ease of use that is the iPad to badly serve people who already have options?
iPadOS 15 was a joke.
Any yet, I bet it still has more users than macOS will.
 
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You don't have a clue. Large enterprises and even not so large are spending a fortune on Microsoft licenses. They don't have iPhones, iPads, Stores revenue, almost no hardware and yet have almost the same market cap as Apple.

Microsoft is definitely making money from enterprise Windows and office licensing. It's not their big money maker but it's a solid revenue generator. Windows is still the laptop one sees at most businesses and government depts (the change has been outside work where Windows has been and is distinctly a declining share). But Cloud provided software/services is where Microsoft is killin it! Their 2 trillion market cap (maybe the most exclusive club on Earth: 2 members, Apple and Microsoft) is thanks quite a lot to this cloud business. Their stock currently carries a PE of around 36 (for those who don't know: PE is the value derived from stock price divided by earnings per share). A 36 for a 2 trillion dollar company is VERY impressive and is typically reserved for a company that is expected to grow at a pace notably above the S&P 500 average. (noting that PEs can vary by industry, dividend yields) As comparison: Apple is about 30, Google about 34, Facebook about 30. Amazon hovers around 60 because of the street's belief it will eventually grow way faster than S&P.
If Microsoft carried an Apple PE(growth expectation) of 30 their market cap would be reduced to 1.7 trillion. Even a Google growth expectation PE would still put them at 1.875 trillion (and be out of the exclusive club).
 
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One benefit of iOS being locked-down is that Apple limits PWAs and bans Chromium/Electron, so developers actually have to build good native apps, as opposed to crappy web apps.
pwa still exist and some people more lazy just website become ipa,apk.
 
Yeah, they are spending sooo much money on Microsoft, yet Microsoft is fighting so hard to get people interested in their products lately with anti-Mac ads, anti-iPad ads and also including today's intro of Windows 11, AKA Mac....on top of Windows. They couldn't even keep their stores open, they had to close them. Yeah Microsoft is doing sooo well as competitors to Apple.

IMHO Microsoft's foray into media (regarding Apple) is a 100% pure dog and pony show. Microsoft should know, and does, that Google is one of their actual main rivals. Google and Microsoft occupy a fairly/somewhat similar space of OS, cloud, SW, collaboration. Microsoft doesn't really have any big revenue to make from Apple's space. Generally, it's my understanding, Microsoft usually has flat if not negative gross profit margins on much of their hardware. They're trying to get the software revenue.

The problem for Microsoft is they aren't a big splash consumer player except gaming system. That isn't saying they aren't a consumer player, they are, but very few say 'look at my new windows 10 device! for my personal use!'. OTOH Microsoft is a HUGE business player. For Google it is a big splash consumer player that is pushing as much as possible into the business splash. Microsoft has to defend one turf (business) while much of their consumer business is a losing battle against Google. That's why (again IMHO) Microsoft has focused like a laser on Cloud for its business revenue. They're knocking that out of the park right now (but Google wants some of that too.). Google's ability to profile users and monetize that through ads is a bottomless uninterrupted money pit(unless regulators come at that which may happen, for better or worse, one day).

Apple just isn't a splash in those spaces. They offer a bit, sorta of that but Apple is a brand name specialty consumer electronics behemoth. Largest company in the world that derives 2/3 of that revenue from actual hardware sales transactions. Google and Microsoft generate a small amount of their revenue from hardware profit.
 
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now windows 11 on a tablet looks dope, its makes the iPad look like a toy

I just said in another post that few get excited about Windows especially in the consumer space. But you and the user that liked your post show that there definitely are consumers who are enthusiastic for Windows based consumer products.

I doubt Apple or Android are losing any nights of sleep over Windows consumer products. Yet one's choice for Windows over Android or iOS on tablets/iPads is good because of the choice itself.
 
IMHO Microsoft's foray into media (regarding Apple) is a 100% pure dog and pony show. Microsoft should know, and does, that Google is one of their actual main rivals. Google and Microsoft occupy a fairly/somewhat similar space of OS, cloud, SW, collaboration. Microsoft doesn't really have any big revenue to make from Apple's space. Generally, it's my understanding, Microsoft usually has flat if not negative gross profit margins on much of their hardware. They're trying to get the software revenue.
While Apple is not a rival, Microsoft would like to see xCloud allowed on the App Store, or barring that, iOS opened up. So there is some rivalry going on.
 
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Considering MS’s multiple failures at a legitimate AppStore, and the fact that they are just letting Amazon do most of the work of maintaining and curating the apps, how could they possibly charge 30%? I don’t know what the commissions were in the Stores before this, but whatever it was, developers still said no-thanks. ”Jack of all trades is a master of none,” which describes the Windows experience perfectly. Oversized (ie. screen wasting) UI elements to accommodate touch, 2 messy control panels, half-baked new features coming and going, and now partnering with Amazon to bring apps to your PC, most of which were never designed for a tablet, much less a desktop.

I have a non-Mac system in my house, and it runs Linux. That’s how bad things have gotten with Windows in my eyes. I was an all-in MS user about 10 years ago, but the appeal is all gone now. Windows is a mess. I still get to experience it everyday, but it’s at work and I get paid while I’m doing it.
tbh i see this angle too. They do need some focus, but at least they're committed to fundamentally improving their software unlike Google at times.


I think Ron at Arstechnica's suggestion for a barebones Windows - still replete with a new UI - but universally, and devoid of Xbox **** or Candy crush and Android — would be an interesting development if MS had the stones. Hell, they could charge for it, even. The issue is it doesn't take out third-party bloat.
 
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While Apple is not a rival, Microsoft would like to see xCloud allowed on the App Store, or barring that, iOS opened up. So there is some rivalry going on.

Understood and agree. Microsoft and Apple have some business overlap competition. My mistake if I suggested they didn't. They are also long time dawn of the personal computer rivals as well as members of the extremely ultra exclusive 2 Trillion club.
Microsoft and a whole slew of companies want Apple brought down a peg. I suspect some of it has to do with envy. Like the sports team that wins way too much. Apple has built up what some investors/pundits say out loud to be the finest company in the history of the planet. Many consider Warren Buffet to be the greatest investor mind in the history of the stock market. He, basically, said Apple is the finest company ever. If you're GM you'd HATE that being said about Ford, for example. Apple has built a walled ecosystem of devices and software that about 1/7th of phone/tablet/computer consumers (in the developed world) show uncanny loyalty to and satisfaction with. Big rivals (IMHO understandably so) get sick of hearing this company that charges a premium on hardware could be this successful. (be sure the anti Apple people on here that are not astros are motivated by this).

But IMHO the big part of the recent turn to Apple media bashing is Apple's privacy security changes. I don't think people realize how much this potentially steps on the revenue toes of countless companies, big and small. No one, I repeat, NO ONE (not even Apple) screws with this much revenue without getting blowback. The data mining thing stretches long and far. Visit a news website, a hobby website, sales website -- many are sending info to Facebook and Google to compile the most detailed sales profiles on everyone. The ability to specialize advertisements by individual through knowing a huge amount about you is staggeringly valuable. Apple is not only blocking that but they are opening the can of worms that it needs to be done. Companies don't give up big value/revenue like that without retribution (Mark from Facebook: Make Apple feel pain). They have tried and failed to go after Apple's hardware sales. That has largely become baked in. But if they can hit the App Store they can hit one revenue source that has been growing rapidly as well as try to knock the ecosystem itself down. (IMHO good luck with that but they may get in a few smacks in the process).
 
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I think Ron at Arstechnica's suggestion for a barebones Windows - still replete with a new UI - but universally, and devoid of Xbox **** or Candy crush and Android — would be an interesting development if MS had the stones. Hell, they could charge for it, even. The issue is it doesn't take out third-party bloat.

One man’s bloat ware is another man’s useful features.

It does raise the question. macOS comes with a lot of useful functionality out of the box. I can use preview to view and annotate on pdf documents. I can use QuickTime to record screencasts. I can use iMovie to edit videos. Taking a screenshot is an easy shortcut away. Notes is a lot more featured than notepad, and less bloated than one note. A lot of this functionality is either missing from windows, or seems very barebones.

Is windows afraid to bundle more functionality into their OS for fear of complaints from third-party software vendors who may see this as potentially lost sales from customers who are satisfied from “good enough” default apps?

I am baffled that with my work-issued windows laptop at least, I have to open a pdf document in Edge first before I can annotate on it. There is also adobe reader, but the free version is basically worthless. Which is baffling. Why not farm out this feature into a separate pdf app?
 
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tbh i see this angle too. They do need some focus, but at least they're committed to fundamentally improving their software unlike Google at times.


I think Ron at Arstechnica's suggestion for a barebones Windows - still replete with a new UI - but universally, and devoid of Xbox **** or Candy crush and Android — would be an interesting development if MS had the stones. Hell, they could charge for it, even. The issue is it doesn't take out third-party bloat.

I think that's an interesting angle. I'd assume Microsoft has mulled that over. A very thin Windows version that could work its way better into the consumer space and light computing space. I assume the Windows phone OS was just a thinned down version(?) but they were late to the game. Cracking the Android and iOS market share was going to be a difficult task. Microsoft won't be a 1% market player. Also, just my own opinion, average users think Windows, they think work PC that freezes, needs to be rebooted etc (a semi negative view). But I'd assume their attempt at the phone OS gave them valuable knowledge for a second thin Windows attempt.

The question is, what's the target? Is it cracking Apple's base, grabbing 15% of it? That is a huge uphill battle for numbers that just aren't that big. The far more fertile ground is Google. You take 15% from Google and that's a huge number.(almost all iOS user numbers). But Google is going to be EXTREMELY difficult to crack. Their lock on that space of the market rivals Apple's lock on it's smaller but still substantial base. Then to top it off the biggest online retailer Amazon has some irons in the fire too. Cracking the Amazon wall? You better bring a nuclear bomb.
I'm not saying Microsoft can't do something with a thin Windows but they'd only do it if they envision market penetration within a few years. But the walls they've got to go through to get that penetration are seriously thick.
 
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tbh i see this angle too. They do need some focus, but at least they're committed to fundamentally improving their software unlike Google at times.


I think Ron at Arstechnica's suggestion for a barebones Windows - still replete with a new UI - but universally, and devoid of Xbox **** or Candy crush and Android — would be an interesting development if MS had the stones. Hell, they could charge for it, even. The issue is it doesn't take out third-party bloat.
I think Windows 10 Enterprise LTSC is like this- delayed updates, no new features.
 
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So Microsoft just center the taskbar icons and make windows rounded while Apple redesigned every inch of macOS while making it run natively on a completely different architecture along with a impossibly efficient translation layer.

This is nothing but a lipstick on a pig to keep Windows 10 from looking ancient compared to latest Apple computers.
Windows 10 runs great on the ARM architecture and Microsoft’s X86-64 and X86-32 emulation layers work miracles, allowing any Windows application work fast as hell on the ARM architecture.
 
It’s still windows at the end of the day, and the last thing I want on my tablet is a legacy desktop operating system.
That's the dilemma.
Imo Apple did the right thing by making iPad OS based on iOS, free from many legacy stuff of OS X. Sure, it feels "less" because many of us here are used to the paradigm of traditional desktop OS, but there is an upcoming generation growing from smartphones being their primary computer, and will see iPad OS as an excellent extension of their workflow. Apple doesn't mind to just cut off or drop legacy support as well due to their smaller marketshare.

This is in contrast with Microsoft. Windows can work well, but when consumers see the word Windows, they expect it to be the same Windows form the days of XP, that it should be able to run "Windows" programs they have form way back when. That's Microsoft dilemma. They know there are a ton of crud inside Windows that they want to shed (WinRT, Windows 10S, are the perfect examples), but unfortunately they have to maintain the legacy support since it's still Windows, and people have certain expectation when they have Windows as an OS.

Many criticise Windows for its legacy support holding it down, but at the same time, the same people will criticise Microsoft when they drop certain legacy support. Just look how many people here wanting iPad OS to be like macOS. :D
 
Using Intel’s Bridge Technology?
I assume this means it’s not supported on devices with an AMD processor. Good way to cause confusion. This seems to be targeting laptops/2-in1’s etc and AMD devices really have a way better cost/performance ratio there.

Edit: looked it up and apparently it will also work on AMD devices. Still confusing though
 
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What a mistake. Android apps are poor, and Android “tablet” apps (which would make the most sense to use on a desktop) are outright terrible.

Frankly, even iOS apps on M1 macOS wasn’t even a good idea.
Exactly. I can't think of a single phone app I would run on my computer. Don't get it...
 
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Oh God could this get any worse!! Microsoft partnering with AMAZON to run Android apps on Windows.. talk about a recipe for disaster!!! MS must really hate Google right now lol. I would absolutely not run anything out of the Amazon app store, this is just a fail from the start!!!!!!!
I assume MS got wind that Google is going to release a legit competitor OS to windows (maybe arm only?) and wanted to try and smother the press they will get.
 
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Using Intel’s Bridge Technology?
I assume this means it’s not supported on devices with an AMD processor. Good way to cause confusion. This seems to be targeting laptops/2-in1’s etc and AMD devices really have a way better cost/performance ratio there.
maybe using standard intel hamx

** previously i own huawei d14 ryzen 5 which intel hamx would nt run.

** iOS only a simulator while android is a emulator can be in x86_64 amd .
 
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