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...except OpenGL, which only existed as an alternative to DirectX, i.e. a Microsoft product.

It's the other way around there. OpenGL is the multi-platform OPEN standard that makes sense. Direct3D is the proprietary bastard of Microsoft who, as we all know, hates open standards. ;)
 
I think that with Ballmer in charge of MS, Apple are gonna laugh all the way to the bank. The guy seems like a ******* retard... If i was Bill Gates i'd be s****** myself that i'd spent 20 years developing a company only to hand it to Ballmer...
 
'Cocoa Touch' is already there, as was explained by Jobs last year, so perhaps we will be seeing a touch interface on a device larger than the iPhone soon.

To the people saying things like "touch will never become big", "it isn't made for laptops..." i don't know whether to agree with you or compare your comments to those made by people about the mouse, we'll really just have to see.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multi-touch

"Multi-touch technology dates back to 1982, when the University of Toronto developed the first finger pressure multi-touch display.

The same year, Bell Labs and Murray Hill published what is believed to be the first paper discussing touch-screen based interfaces.

In 1984 Bell Labs engineered a touch screen that could manipulate images. The same year Microsoft began research in the area.

A significant breakthrough occurred in 1991, when Pierre Wellner published a paper on his multi-touch “Digital Desk”, which supported multi-finger and pinching motions."​

25 years of multi-touch history, then the Iphone.





Look back at post 37 to see a Microsoft invention that uses software, a webcam and a standard LCD screen to do multi-touch.

Also note that the demo was done on a standard Dell Latitude XT tablet - nothing special in the hardware.

.....this is all true and i've read it before, but as far as i know Apple is the first high-profile company to bring the technology to consumers. Microsoft have now followed suit...are attempting to follow suit.
 
Touch Screen hardware is going to need to be hi-res and independent res... as in like the iPhone/iPod Touch it needs to be 160 dpi + and ideally would be at the resolution of a high quality magazine 2400 dpi.... yeah, that good.

You don't know what 2400 dpi means, do you.


When the display is of such a high quality, you no longer have to sit at arms length for optimal viewing (both in terms of eye strain and in terms of aliasing artifacts getting in the way of a quality composite image).

So with a smallish, 13 - 15 in. display at very high resolution, you'll be able to interact with a lot more information than what you currently work with on a 30 in. display. With resolution independence aka vector based UI, you can make icons, text, etc. whatever size you need to best work on the task at hand.

It's true and its not true. It would be great to have resolution independence and higher resolution screens that come with it to make Touch tech better. However, you can say the same thing about any computer today. I want all these things now. I want these things now, although I have lived this long without it. I think it would be nice for multi-touch to have all the things you mentioned, but it's not necessary.
 
Microsoft have now followed suit...are attempting to follow suit.

Scrambling, as usual...........

Ok, I give it to you there. However, Mac OS 9 did NOT have preemptive multitasking as far as I know. Where did you get that?

That would be NeXT Openstep OS (S Jobs)

That little thing? Microsoft would AT LEAST need this... or this...

Imagine, with billions of $$ of resources, employees, and office space, they can hardly innovate, refine, coordinate among departments, and get things out within six years of a projected release.
 
Imagine, with billions of $$ of resources, employees, and office space, they can hardly innovate, refine, coordinate among departments, and get things out within six years of a projected release.
Yes, but they can post billion dollar profits... They are doing something right. Thats the one thing you can't deny.
 
Interesting to see how things roll out for MS. They really need something "big" to regain market share...
 
Yes, but they can post billion dollar profits... They are doing something right. Thats the one thing you can't deny.

Billions, by literally screwing consumers and businesses with anti-trust behavior. This cannot be denied.
 
That's gonna hurt in the morning...

All I have to say is that your arms are gonna hurt after a while of using something like this. If the screen is on the desk, it'll be easier on the arms but bad for the neck. Will need some sort of riser to place it on.

This sort of technology won't be any good on a laptop if this is the only way you can control the computer from. Not something I'm interested in. Tablets are a little different though.

Plus, I was forever cleaning my iPhone before I sold it to make a profit - so I'd be doing the same on a tablet if one is released at WWDC.
 
Interesting to see how things roll out for MS. They really need something "big" to regain market share...

*takes cover hearing mac fanboy **** flying over his head*
This isn't going to be good.

Tell me about it...

http://www.sun.com/software/looking_glass/demo.xml

Done in 2003, way before OSX and I love apple and Sun's looking glass 3D is 2003.

Widgets, Dock? Google Konfabulator, again not a Apple invention.

Spotlight? Microsoft, they had it years before Apple but couldn't get it out until Vista (which still stinks).

Then look at these facts:
You cannot play a game on a Macbook right? But at one time OpenGL for Macbooks were 120%, 140%, 171% (with Leopard) and then RAPED with release of X300, who suffered? The PRO user as at one point you could run Motion, so let's KILL the .001 % of the creatives, who cares about them right? I mean, Apple was at one point for the artist, not any more, not with all the drone hacked iPhone sales, imac drones and puppy dog owners, nope, its all about the consumer while pretending to be innovative.

Then of course there is the iMac, Glossy screen, (again, no pro use) and cheap firewire (non standard) and only the MBP and MAC PRO have the industry standard Texas Instrument FIREWIRE chipsets. Why? Well lets see, iMAC and GLOSS= no Photo shop or any PRO user app with accuracy, audio/video have drop outs due to cheap firewire. Again, Apple screwing the PRO. Then of course, lets release Mac Pro's with ECC server memory so the PRO can't buy their own RAM.

Yeah, okay, Apple innovates and is all about the CONsumer and CREATIVES. Not.

While I will agree OSX is the best OS out there right now, one only has to look at looking glass or google Konfabulator.

It amazes me how much people really don't know and in some major studios I have seen for editing (Avid is still king, as much as I hate it), and USE PC BLADES as the performance is huge.

Perhaps one day Apple will go back to catering to the PRO and stop worrying about their user base buying a cheap machine for CS3, or Motion, or even some college folks wanting to play games. Geesh, if it wasn't for INTEL, Apple would still be in the dark as a Dual G5 is trumped by a 1st GEN Macbook, barring of course, the graphics.

I will say though, they have an excellent marketing plan, buy leaking info, then not letting anyone know until the release date, keeps everyone excited and I will say the iPhone is probably one of the greatest inventions ever, but c'mon folks, stop thinking that Microsoft does all the copying.....and please, apple does not manufacture (wafers) for CPU's, memory, hard drives, motherboards, front bus, side bus, they are all X86 parts now, that's why OSX86 does so well - - a $600 machine that can equal a Mac Pro? Not to shabby and now their is EFI emulator which means all updates can be performed.

To be fair, I will say Apple designed the OS for the consumer and Microsoft developed theirs for their developers and OSX is a far more pleasant experience and their 3rd party software rocks. Now, should Microsoft decide someday to put the consumer first and drop the issue of copyright (speaking of which iTunes is a one way street, thank goodness for 3rd party ripping software), then MSFT could turn things around in a hurry. If they ever bought a computer company say Dell, and built software similar to iLife, it probably would rock. I was reading a few year back that even before Vista, that there was a new OS, so imagine SUN and Microsoft together.

Still, OSX is still the best, but lets be real here.
 
That is just so wrong. What you think the ergonomics of a keyboard and mouse are more natural than using your hands.

Microsoft are spot on with their direction. Microsoft are spending a lot of time working towards touch and voice recognition. You put a person that has never used a computer before in front of a keyboard and mouse, and watch them struggle. You put someone in front of a Nintendo Wii for example or a touch screen and I guarantee they would pick it up instantly.

Touch and VR will continue to work their way into computer operating systems, but in an evolutionary fashion. The ergonomics of interacting with an interface by touching objects on a screen are very different from the mouse-and-keyboard approach we've become used to. For one thing, the relatively small muscles used to manipulate a mouse or other pointing device are much more suited to fine manipulation than the larger ones used when moving objects on anything bigger than a small screen.

For text entry, a touch-based interface will be hard pressed to keep up with keyboards and related devices. And even the best current VR systems are flawed, and there are many situations where you don't want the din of multiple users talking to their computers.

Still, Apple and MS are to be applauded for continuing research and for looking for places where incorporating this technology makes sense.
 
Apple need good competition as much as anyone else. I wish everyone would stop harping on about MS "copying" :rolleyes: Touch screen has been around for years, as well as the idea of multi-touch. Apple have a multi-touch hand-held device, and MS have a whole computer (Surface). It's pretty much a given that multi-touch displays are where we're headed, at least in part, naturally everyone will be getting in on it.

No one's perfect, they're all multi-billion dollar corporates, and I for one am happy to see them pushing each others buttons, it can only result in better products for us.
 
To be fair, I will say Apple designed the OS for the consumer and Microsoft developed theirs for their developers and OSX is a far more pleasant experience and their 3rd party software rocks. Now, should Microsoft decide someday to put the consumer first and drop the issue of copyright (speaking of which iTunes is a one way street, thank goodness for 3rd party ripping software), then MSFT could turn things around in a hurry. If they ever bought a computer company say Dell, and built software similar to iLife, it probably would rock. I was reading a few year back that even before Vista, that there was a new OS, so imagine SUN and Microsoft together.

Still, OSX is still the best, but lets be real here.
It would be nice, but would never happen. Microsoft gets sued for including Internet Explorer and Windows Media Player already, anything else would be suicide.
 
Remember Mac Office is in that division and makes several hundred million dollars a year. And Halo 3 was also released in that period.
Halo 3 was released last september, year. Microsoft turned a profit last quarter. Also, how is the Mac BU in the Entertainment and Devices Division? I don't think it is.
 
Apple need good competition as much as anyone else. I wish everyone would stop harping on about MS "copying" :rolleyes: Touch screen has been around for years, as well as the idea of multi-touch. Apple have a multi-touch hand-held device, and MS have a whole computer (Surface). It's pretty much a given that multi-touch displays are where we're headed, at least in part, naturally everyone will be getting in on it.

No one's perfect, they're all multi-billion dollar corporates, and I for one am happy to see them pushing each others buttons, it can only result in better products for us.

Well said.
 
Halo 3 was released last september, year. Microsoft turned a profit last quarter.

Due to the release of Office 2008 for Mac.

Also, how is the Mac BU in the Entertainment and Devices Division? I don't think it is.

It is, so that division makes some money, and Microsoft gets to hide how much they are making from Mac Office sales (see wiki)

It's pretty much a given that multi-touch displays are where we're headed, at least in part, naturally everyone will be getting in on it.

I'm not convinced how useful Multi-touch is on the desktop/laptop however, I don't think its as big as Microsoft think.

No one's perfect, they're all multi-billion dollar corporates, and I for one am happy to see them pushing each others buttons, it can only result in better products for us.

Well said.
 
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