I'm interested, but not for the price of bigger screen MacBooksPeople in the market for a Wintel laptop are not interested in a mac, and vice-versa...
I'm interested, but not for the price of bigger screen MacBooksPeople in the market for a Wintel laptop are not interested in a mac, and vice-versa...
Exactly. People don't research or know about hardware. Just because I don't want to pay the prices for bigger screen MacBooks, doesn'e mean I should buy garbage and then complain about slowness etc... I'm just fine around $1k for a 17" PC Laptop with decent specs that do what I need. I don't need all that power from MacBook Pro or even Air. I just wish they made Airs or lower spec Pros with bigger screens for less $$$. They need to have lower budget ranges like with their other products.Those two sentences seem contradictory. For people who are very price conscious, they will still perceive a Mac as too expensive.
One has to kind of know that part of what you're paying more for is the operating system and whole unique package.
Most people will just buy the cheapest computer on the shelf, and wind up with a Chromebook or Windows S Mode and not even understand what it is.
I choose it because the price for a bigger screen is reasonable, and it has the specs I need. What % of people even scrape 10% of the power of MacBooks?Nobody (or nearly nobody) selects a Windows - Intel machine for the performance of its CPU and the quality of its operating system. They choose it because it supports their software, or because the rest of the company already uses these, or because they can remote control these PCs the way they want to. And this did not change with a new MacBook Air, be it a superb machine with extraordinary performances.
Some definitely aren't. I'm almost thinking some MacBook threads should be private and require income verification. The arguments here would be so much different if everyone here had infinite funds. Of could hardware wise Macs pummel PC, but what % here even use 10% of that. So why pay so much when I can get a $1k range bigger screen PC laptop that does what I need?Regular people buying "only" 256GB base model probably couldn't care less -- let alone be aware of -- "SSD-gate". They are unlikely hard-core users that would notice such things.
People in this forum are not "regular". That didn't sound right.![]()
The average sales price for a Mac is around $1,400. Industry average sales price for a Windows PC is around $500.
Almost all of the Mac's current 9% market share is in over $1,000 PCs, which is a segment that's less than 20% of PCs sold. Meaning when people buy high quality PCs they choose Macs at least half the time.
Too lazy, you've got to be kidding! It's dollars, period. Transitioning to a new architecture costs money, LOTS of money.You guys are missing something very important here. Corporations, by and large, still use Wintel machines because their IT departments are too lazy to make the transition to Apple. A lot of the security software that corporations use does not support Macs, although I would argue that Macs are much more secure out of the box and don't need a bunch of bloated security products like PC's do.
Until Apple can convince corporate IT execs that Macs are easy to remotely manage and secure, they still have a long uphill climb. And as long as lots of corporations are using PC's exclusively, their users will probably buy PC's for their personal machines as well.
Ah...the old False Analogy fallacy.The average sales price for a Mac is around $1,400. Industry average sales price for a Windows PC is around $500.
Almost all of the Mac's current 9% market share is in over $1,000 PCs, which is a segment that's less than 20% of PCs sold. Meaning when people buy high quality PCs they choose Macs at least half the time.
Ah...the old False Analogy fallacy.
A lot of people who buy high end PC do so because they already have thousands or tens of thousands invested in PC software already. They ain't gonna by a Mac. It would cost them a lot of $$$ to buy Mac versions of the same PC software. In some cases, the Mac version is inferior. *cough*Excel*cough* People who have little software investment will switch as the wind blows.
I've have a dozen L-series lenses. I also own an old (ancient) 20D. I ain't gonna spend $1500 on a new Nikon camera; I'd spend $1500 on a new Canon instead. If I brought the latest Nikon camera, I'd have to spend 20x ($30-35K) that in NIKKOR lenses to match what already invested in Canon lenses. Ain't gonna happen.
Some definitely aren't. I'm almost thinking some MacBook threads should be private and require income verification. The arguments here would be so much different if everyone here had infinite funds. Of could hardware wise Macs pummel PC, but what % here even use 10% of that. So why pay so much when I can get a $1k range bigger screen PC laptop that does what I need?
Got any proof of that?Apple clearly has the largest share of the over $1,000 PC market,
Exactly. People don't research or know about hardware. Just because I don't want to pay the prices for bigger screen MacBooks, doesn'e mean I should buy garbage and then complain about slowness etc... I'm just fine around $1k for a 17" PC Laptop with decent specs that do what I need. I don't need all that power from MacBook Pro or even Air. I just wish they made Airs or lower spec Pros with bigger screens for less $$$. They need to have lower budget ranges like with their other products.
People in the market for a Wintel laptop are not interested in a mac, and vice-versa...
You have to consider that PC makers cover a wider range of customers compared to Apple. At the same time, most of them also have line of high end devices. In my line of work, most of my customers use ThinkPads, and some of them use high end models. When you check on the specs, they use high quality materials and components, like carbon fiber + magnesium, 4K OLED screens and the typing experience of the spill resistant keyboard is better than Macs. They even pass military tests (https://www.lenovo.com/us/en/thinkpad-milspec). These are not cheap devices.It looks like Apple isn’t building Macs for you. They are building for Creative Professionals in which the extra cost of a Mac is a fraction of 1% of their income, but the benefits of faster workflows and better screens, trackpads and build quality adds significantly to their productivity and income.
Apples Mac margins are far higher than other PC makers because they build for people who value their PCs performance and quality. They don’t make plastic fantastic laptops with compromised screens and low build quality for people who only care about cost because they aren’t full time computer professionals who will earn back that extra cost easily. Or who are buying for a corporate group made up of near minimum wage customer service staff.
And obviously creative professionals are using a lot more than 10% of the Macs capabilities most of the time. The question is do they need 100% of those capabilities? It’s like that building contractor you see driving always a big pickup truck to the job site when it’s only carrying a set of tools that easily fit in the back of a Prius. You never see that one day a week when they need to pickup a washer/dryer abd an oven or a thousand pounds of lumber.
When you need to export a large project for your client, the difference between taking a half hour and five minutes is a huge deal. Especially when on deadline and the first export was done wrong.
False Analogy fallacy, in other words, y'all comparing Apples to Oranges.Nothing in my post was an analogy,
Well, you are debating computer functionality vs computer performance - in case you weren't aware. You severely under value a touchscreen, but get giddy about how quiet your MAC is. I use both. There are pros and cons of each, but in terms of actual capabilities, once again, Apple is far behind. The keyboard and screen is better on my X1, but I'm more of a MAC OS fan.I don’t, but at the same time, I can probably count on one hand the number of times I have actually used the touchscreen on those laptops over the past 3 years.
And I feel that really explains these vendor’s attitudes towards their products, vs Apple, and why I am ultimately all in with Apple.
For Apple, they don’t sell me a product or a feature. They sell me a solution. My ipad comes with an OS that is optimised for touch and direct input. Apps are similarly designed that way. You don’t just throw me a touchscreen device and expect me to find ways to make it work. I buy an ipad knowing that it’s going to work great in that regard right out of the box, because everything from the software to the apps to even the hardware and form factor is built around enable said experience.
But for windows laptops, the touchscreen is “optional” in a “it’s there if you want it, take it or leave it”. There is zero effort or incentive to improve the touchscreen user experience. Window’s support is token at best, software is non-existent, the screen wobbles, and so not many people do end up making full use of it.
And I guess that’s really my attitude towards technology these days (which I find has also influenced the way I work). I don’t want a product. I want a solution, and I am ready to pay for those who can provide me with one. Right now, that company is Apple.