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Windows Vista Beta 1 and Tiger
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Spotlight is half-baked?
To those of you who think Spotlight is half-baked... wha???
C'mon... I know we Mac fanatics are prone to whining, but this is a little ludicrous. For a first version of a whole new concept in the Mac OS, it's pretty impressive. It does what it claims, is reasonably unintrusive and free of bugs, gives the user a surprisingly rapid and far-reaching search and offers a few options. On top of that, the technology is built into the Finder search and has been incorporated into many of Apple's applications. Developers have been given the tools to do the same.
That's half-baked?
By "half-baked" do we mean that it doesn't contain any number of esoteric features and preferences that 95% of the users out there simply don't care about? That's not half-baked. What's there works as advertised and has been put to some fairly nifty uses.
To those of you who think Spotlight is half-baked... wha???
C'mon... I know we Mac fanatics are prone to whining, but this is a little ludicrous. For a first version of a whole new concept in the Mac OS, it's pretty impressive. It does what it claims, is reasonably unintrusive and free of bugs, gives the user a surprisingly rapid and far-reaching search and offers a few options. On top of that, the technology is built into the Finder search and has been incorporated into many of Apple's applications. Developers have been given the tools to do the same.
That's half-baked?
By "half-baked" do we mean that it doesn't contain any number of esoteric features and preferences that 95% of the users out there simply don't care about? That's not half-baked. What's there works as advertised and has been put to some fairly nifty uses.
Got our apps installed with a few tweaks to the installations. They seem to run just fine on the surface - so no huge problems. I'm sure there will be minor fix-ups but I'm pleased.feakbeak said:
I was really curious to see if they've worked on improving the searching capabilities of Windows, since they were never very good. There are quite a few more options to narrow down your search with filters which is nice. It seems like you will have more control over your Windows searches. However, it is dog slow in the beta 1! It's significantly slower than searching in Windows XP. Hopefully, they are working on the searching performance now and that is why the beta 1 serach performance is so bad. Future betas will let us know. They have a lot of work to do if they want the Windows searching performance to compare with Spotlight.
Haven't tried making that VMWare image yet, but I just remembered that it might not work because VMWare's driver support and VMWare tools install may not go well on it. Worth a shot though, wish me luck. It would be nice to play around and then be able to revert it back to a clean install.
Looks like OS X... only uglier and with silly colors.
Almost all design cues are taken from Apple. What does this remind me of... hmm... maybe windows 95?
Almost all design cues are taken from Apple. What does this remind me of... hmm... maybe windows 95?
It would be terrible news if at Macworld 2007, Steve announces a 4th transition from Mac OS X to Windows. Steve: "We know transitions. That is why we are going to have yet another one. We at Apple have lived a double life. If you used Xcode, then you need to port to Visual Studio .NET."
eh...
Although I'm as annoyed as the next guy at Micro$oft for blatantly plundering stuff from Apple since the GUI was invented, they are a total software company, there's nothing else they can do I suppose. They have to progress somehow - and if the next logical step is the same as Apple's last step, they'll do it - unless they innovate in a way completely different to Apple's way. Which they won't. Because they're Micro$oft. *Puts in random full stops/periods. Everywhere.*
Yeah...BornAgainMac said:
Although I'm as annoyed as the next guy at Micro$oft for blatantly plundering stuff from Apple since the GUI was invented, they are a total software company, there's nothing else they can do I suppose. They have to progress somehow - and if the next logical step is the same as Apple's last step, they'll do it - unless they innovate in a way completely different to Apple's way. Which they won't. Because they're Micro$oft. *Puts in random full stops/periods. Everywhere.*
must have hit a nerve
myappleseeds was banned, so I must carry on for him.
venture onward!!
to get more to the point, MS is in the middle of a revolution, which, might or might not have adverse effects on apple. I sort of hope it does, given the fact that apple has been an annoyance to them for a while.
Vista will be more than everyone here thinks, as some features haven't been publicly exposed. I don't work for MS, but I know what's going on because I work for someone that deals with them.
great things are comming from MS, and you heard it here first.
applepuke said:sorry, but I believe MS still has superior products.
moe
myappleseeds was banned, so I must carry on for him.
venture onward!!
to get more to the point, MS is in the middle of a revolution, which, might or might not have adverse effects on apple. I sort of hope it does, given the fact that apple has been an annoyance to them for a while.
Vista will be more than everyone here thinks, as some features haven't been publicly exposed. I don't work for MS, but I know what's going on because I work for someone that deals with them.
great things are comming from MS, and you heard it here first.
applepuke said:sorry, but I believe MS still has superior products.
moe
Wow, it's like the mothership is sending out all the trolls today. I know it's a message board, but it's not exactly the kind of thing you should do. I mean, Applepuke? On a MacRumors board? Dissing Apple? We're not all crazy fanatics, but you should be careful.
I'm pretty sure that with the second beta, we'll see some smarter UI decisions by Microsoft, but I'm not betting anything on it. Does anyone have reports on IE7's rendering engine? That's really all I care about.
-Chase
applepuke said:
Comming? Bleh. As in this decade? You wouldn't happen to be a "reincarnation" of myappleseeds, would you? I'm curious what this "revolution" is, since the only thing really revolving is some APIs and interface changes. Got anything for us to bite on?
-Chase
applepuke said:
Yes, they will be introducing the brand new concept of the one (1) button mouse, security and no more viruses. Unfortunately they will only deliver on one of the three and the button still won't work right.
applepuke said:
What would be the purpose of keeping them secret? Are developers expected to stumble across these features as they work with the Beta release?
Yeah, and you wouldn't happen to be the same person, now would you?? If you read the rules that you agree to when you first register, it says clearly that you cannot re-register if you are banned. Just curious, because myapplseedshurt was banned today, and you just registered and came straight to the thread where he left off....applepuke said:
From the Macworld article...
Yeah, go Microsoft!
Down to just three times a week then. Hilarious!
Trasnlation: Screw it if the product isn't ready, the advertising campaign will put a copy in every current user's Christmas stocking.
Yeah, go Microsoft!
You guys need to chill out. There are advantages to both systems, believe it or not.
For example, using a PC I can choose exactly what I was as hardware. Yes, Microsoft has given me a choice by having a huge driver database. Some would argue that because Microsoft has to support so many different computer with Windows it takes them an extremly long time to develop software. I tend to agree.
I wanted a macintosh this time around but decided against it, I will just have to wait for the macintels and pick up a powerbook. The reason I chose against it is, games and price. Thoes are two very BIG advantages Windows has over Mac OSX. If I wanted to spend $500 on a computer I could do pretty well if I wanted to use XP but if I wanted to use OSX I would be stuck with the mini or some crappy used powermac.
Another advantage windows has over the OSX croud is given the flexable hardware, the people in the know can overclock very easily. The new venice core athlon64's overclock like mad (2.7-2.8Ghz on air with ram speeds pushing 600Mhz all stable.) This allows me to build a relativly low price computer and it at very high speeds.
Directx 9 is better than OpenGL. Period. More developers use it and it's more supported by video card companies. Yes there are very good games that arn't offerend for OSX and probably never will be avaliable for OSX such as HL2 which is reason enough to have atleast one PC around.
All-in-all Apple computers are good for what they do. But there is a lot of software that just plain won't run on a mac, example: My dad has a law firm and needs the software bankruptcy pro but he can't use it because it's windows only. And for this reason Windows is still good and any improvement is great in my book.
Also, Windows XP is a solid operating system. It may not be as stable as OSX but for me it's great and it does EVERYTHING i want and need it to do. And because I'm not ignorant I can keep it clean and malware/spyware/virus free without any "special" software.
Also so some of you don't flip out, yes I've used OSX before and yes I think it's great but some of you need to chill out because you blow these windows problems way out of porportion. The vast majority of these problems are caused by user ignorance and bad third party software.
For example, using a PC I can choose exactly what I was as hardware. Yes, Microsoft has given me a choice by having a huge driver database. Some would argue that because Microsoft has to support so many different computer with Windows it takes them an extremly long time to develop software. I tend to agree.
I wanted a macintosh this time around but decided against it, I will just have to wait for the macintels and pick up a powerbook. The reason I chose against it is, games and price. Thoes are two very BIG advantages Windows has over Mac OSX. If I wanted to spend $500 on a computer I could do pretty well if I wanted to use XP but if I wanted to use OSX I would be stuck with the mini or some crappy used powermac.
Another advantage windows has over the OSX croud is given the flexable hardware, the people in the know can overclock very easily. The new venice core athlon64's overclock like mad (2.7-2.8Ghz on air with ram speeds pushing 600Mhz all stable.) This allows me to build a relativly low price computer and it at very high speeds.
Directx 9 is better than OpenGL. Period. More developers use it and it's more supported by video card companies. Yes there are very good games that arn't offerend for OSX and probably never will be avaliable for OSX such as HL2 which is reason enough to have atleast one PC around.
All-in-all Apple computers are good for what they do. But there is a lot of software that just plain won't run on a mac, example: My dad has a law firm and needs the software bankruptcy pro but he can't use it because it's windows only. And for this reason Windows is still good and any improvement is great in my book.
Also, Windows XP is a solid operating system. It may not be as stable as OSX but for me it's great and it does EVERYTHING i want and need it to do. And because I'm not ignorant I can keep it clean and malware/spyware/virus free without any "special" software.
Also so some of you don't flip out, yes I've used OSX before and yes I think it's great but some of you need to chill out because you blow these windows problems way out of porportion. The vast majority of these problems are caused by user ignorance and bad third party software.
Well said MrJohnson. Both sides of the fence have their positives and negatives. Those who post here need to relax, as do windows forum members who bash osx.
It's just a beta, it's just Microsoft. It's just Apple.
It's just a beta, it's just Microsoft. It's just Apple.
Windows...VISTA!!!
The thing about windows is that it has FEW good qualities...the problem is that its good qualities are sometimes essential in the computer world. Though because of its abundance of negative qualities, windows loses and Mac OS is a better alternative.
The thing about windows is that it has FEW good qualities...the problem is that its good qualities are sometimes essential in the computer world. Though because of its abundance of negative qualities, windows loses and Mac OS is a better alternative.
AnAppleADay said:
I don't feel it's a question of which is the better alternative. OsX is better, Linux is better. But, these "few good qualities" are what most users, no matter how you define "most users", want. Run the software they need or like. Change the desktop wallpaper, maybe change the toolbar color. That's it. Microsoft does this. It does it at a smaller price. It runs more software. In no way am I bashing macs, but 99.9%, and I do not feel that is an overstatement, of people just want the machine to do that.
From the screenshots, the interface style is VERY Tiger-like, down to the font and logo styles. Not bagging it, complimenting it, it looks good, the taskbar looks heap better without the green button. But the close/minimise/maximise buttons - whose bright idea was it to shift them left?? I liked being able to just throw my mouse up the top right to close (which iTunes won't let me do).
Also, half on topic - when exactly did Longhorn change name to Windows Vista? I knew Longhorn was just a codename, just missed the announcement. Vista's cool, better than "xp-erience".
Also, half on topic - when exactly did Longhorn change name to Windows Vista? I knew Longhorn was just a codename, just missed the announcement. Vista's cool, better than "xp-erience".
SO TRUE
You know this is soooo true, MS IS in with all of the antivirus/spyware/adware companys. they pay ms a chunk of cash to keep holes open for them to code viruses and then miraculously the day a new virues is released, they have a cure for it. its a really sad world isnt it. MS and windows will be forever broken.
mowogg said:
You know this is soooo true, MS IS in with all of the antivirus/spyware/adware companys. they pay ms a chunk of cash to keep holes open for them to code viruses and then miraculously the day a new virues is released, they have a cure for it. its a really sad world isnt it. MS and windows will be forever broken.