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Windows XP Booting on Intel Macs?

BRLawyer said:
To all those who believe the contrary effect will occur: WAKE UP, please; if I am a software company and I know Macs run Windows flawlessly, I will not spend a PENNY porting lengthy codes to XCode/Intel Macs, just like Autodesk for you PC-loving guys...and that's exactly what we should change...attract more people to Macs, and MAKE developers do some real work, instead of the opposite.
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I see your point, but I'm not sure that Mac development will end as you suggest. Running Windows on a Mac is still going to incur an additional expense for users, even if it is only the cost of the Windows OS. I believe that a relatively small number of people in the Mac community are going to bother with it. You're still going to have a similar sized community of users that are Mac OS X only. Some developers will continue to choose to write apps for those users and other developers will continue to find reasons/excuses to not write apps for the Mac platform. Windows on intel Macs will only be one more reason for that latter group that wasn't going to develop for Mac anyways, not the straw that broke the back for all developers, including those that currently support both platforms.
 
peharri said:
Plus, why does nobody ever ask or answer the question: if I have a Mac, why on earth would I want to run Winblow$?
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Easy.. the MacMini is currently one of the cheapest Core Duo PCs. I want to write OpenMP programs, and I want them to be portable (Windows, Linux, Mac OS X), so as soon as Windows XP runs on a MacMini I'll get one. I don't mind rebooting the thing once and again to run the regression tests.. I'd save a lot of money since I wouldn't have to buy two computers.
 
The video on YouTube is fake

I can clearly see where he superimposed the screen from a PC on the iMac screen based on the extended blue beyond where the XP screen ends.
 
IJ Reilly said:
So, does every new link to the same video make it more genuine?

Just wondering. This is one of the principles of the internet that I've never completely understood.
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Well i just posted the link since the others were dead links (at least when I tried them) I believe it's real, the solution will come out soon. I don't think this is photoshopped or "video-photoshoped" or anything. In time we'll see a solution posted...then maybe I can sell my PC ;)
 
No Video Acceleration Yet

Just as a note since I checked out the link that someone posted to the guy's pictures on Flickr, he posted a bit of feedback in response to questions regarding performance. What is interesting and disappointing to note is that, at present, the graphics drivers that he has available won't allow 3D acceleration which means that gaming is hosed for the moment. He expresses hope that ATI will resolve this issue with a future driver but for the moment it looks as though you get all the hassle of Windows but without the benefit. Still, by the time that MacBook Pro time rolls around sometime in October for me, hopefully this niggling problems will be resolved as well.
 
Kelmon said:
Just as a note since I checked out the link that someone posted to the guy's pictures on Flickr, he posted a bit of feedback in response to questions regarding performance. What is interesting and disappointing to note is that, at present, the graphics drivers that he has available won't allow 3D acceleration which means that gaming is hosed for the moment. He expresses hope that ATI will resolve this issue with a future driver but for the moment it looks as though you get all the hassle of Windows but without the benefit. Still, by the time that MacBook Pro time rolls around sometime in October for me, hopefully this niggling problems will be resolved as well.
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Damn....Well I'm sure once a few people have Windows running a Mac either an ATI driver will be fixed to work or hacked to work. I mean a lot of people are working on this stuff, just give it some time. Just got to wait a bit longer :D
 
quicksilver77 said:
U guys slay me....just be happy with the hackers out there...they seem to be able to overcome anything...if this is real

http://www.engadget.com/videos/narf2006_xp_mac.mov
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how the hell could you make a fake of that video??
i understand for the video ipod photo (and video too:p)
but for that, i think someone really is gunna be 12,000 dollars richer and will definately go to the bank and laugh on the way there...

seriously..

great stuff:)
 
i think this is good. Apple keeps making OS X, it will still rock, and PC users who like Window can buy a Mac and have Mac OS X and Windows. However this multi-booting will never be that big of a deal, as long as Apple never supports Windows(as in sells it on a Mac pre-install,) it still takes someone with some "tech" know-how to do this.

i mean tons of people have PC, that could have Window and Linux but few do, hell many people don't ever upgrade their PC, which is the one this PC have over low end macs
 
LimeiBook86 said:
Damn....Well I'm sure once a few people have Windows running a Mac either an ATI driver will be fixed to work or hacked to work. I mean a lot of people are working on this stuff, just give it some time. Just got to wait a bit longer :D
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Driver issues? Ah, yes. Welcome to the world of Windows. :D
 
IJ Reilly said:
So, does every new link to the same video make it more genuine?

Just wondering. This is one of the principles of the internet that I've never completely understood.
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i don't know why you are so skeptical, but as the posts says, a solution has been sent in by this narf character and is currently being tested. So at least things are progressing in a manner that leads us to believe it isn't fake. Whether it is or not, jury is still out, but now that they have testers and a submitted process, this is beggining to look more and more geniune. I just wouldnt so easily dismiss it. There's no harm in rooting for progress, again jury is still out on whether it's real or not.
 
Kelmon said:
Just as a note since I checked out the link that someone posted to the guy's pictures on Flickr, he posted a bit of feedback in response to questions regarding performance. What is interesting and disappointing to note is that, at present, the graphics drivers that he has available won't allow 3D acceleration which means that gaming is hosed for the moment. He expresses hope that ATI will resolve this issue with a future driver but for the moment it looks as though you get all the hassle of Windows but without the benefit. Still, by the time that MacBook Pro time rolls around sometime in October for me, hopefully this niggling problems will be resolved as well.
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There is also no driver for the built-in isight and the airport card.
 
Peace said:
There is also no driver for the built-in isight and the airport card.
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I know there's a driver for the AirPort Extreme card in Linux, so hopefully that will be soon working on Windows. Drivers will be a pain but, as long as people don't give up we'll get working drivers eventually. For me though, I'll just unplug the ethernet wire from my PC into my iMac, I mean, I don't need my PC anymore if my iMac can run Windows...:) I mean I'm not getting ahead of myself, I won't sell the thing just because the iMac can run it, I'd only sell it if my iMac can play the games my PC can play so I'll have to wait for the right drivers and such.
 
skagen5555 said:
i don't know why you are so skeptical, but as the posts says, a solution has been sent in by this narf character and is currently being tested. So at least things are progressing in a manner that leads us to believe it isn't fake. Whether it is or not, jury is still out, but now that they have testers and a submitted process, this is beggining to look more and more geniune. I just wouldnt so easily dismiss it. There's no harm in rooting for progress, again jury is still out on whether it's real or not.
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The jury is still out? Why are you so skeptical? :p
 
Peace said:
There is also no driver for the built-in isight and the airport card.
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yeah but the idea is to make it boot so you can do what windows needs to do when you need windows....not replace Mac OS completely. That would be silly for a lot of reasons.
 
Anyone make a list of all the people shouting "hoax" and "fakkorzz!" so they can have a nice helping of some crow? We crossed skepticism a few hundred posts ago and are now firmly in the land of denial. :)

All in all, I'm pretty excited. Now I just need that Intel PM! :D
 
instead of virtual PC...

I think MS should just make a windows that instals and dual boots on the mac and ship it. Is their anything stopping them from doing this?
 
ssindelman said:
I can clearly see where he superimposed the screen from a PC on the iMac screen based on the extended blue beyond where the XP screen ends.
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Why would he go through the trouble? This is exactly what running the XP Setup in Virtual PC looks like.

And since the G5 iMac and the Intel iMac look the same from the front, it could just be a G5 iMac running Virtual PC.

Heck, and you read it first here, I'm in the process of hacking up a video that will be 100% believable of running XP on my MacBook Pro. At least on there, it will look legit. How will I do it? Using the video out function on my PC, and a camcorder with video in, I'll record XP booting, and doing some tasks like starting up notepad and typing something. Then I'll play the video back on the MacBook Pro full screen. I'll record this on my digital still camera's 'low quailty movie mode' (claiming it's the only movie camera I have,) and because the camera will be far enough away from the MBP to 'verify' that it is indeed an MBP, you won't be able to tell that it's just a movie playing at 640x480, it will look just fine. And to complete the illusion, I'll have the MBP 'off' when starting playback (on battery long enough that the backlight turned off,) and will hit the power button to turn it on. In reality, I'll be hitting spacebar on a wireless keyboard to start the video playing. I'll have the internal trackpad disabled, and match the movements of the Windows mouse to load up an app. Finally, typing on the MBP's keyboard to match my typing on the Windows video... (Just have to be careful to not actually hit spacebar.)

Now, I've posted the fact that I'm going to do this, and posted exactly HOW I'm going to do it. When a video of an MBP running Windows magically appears on the 'net, will anyone call me on it? I bet it'll make Slashdot. (Of course, I'll be hosting the video on my .Mac account, so it will go down quickly, fueling the rumors.)

I have already recorded the Windows part, I just need to practice the timing of mousing and typing so that my fake typing on the Mac matches the typing on the Windows machine.
 
ehurtley said:
Why would he go through the trouble? This is exactly what running the XP Setup in Virtual PC looks like.

And since the G5 iMac and the Intel iMac look the same from the front, it could just be a G5 iMac running Virtual PC.

Heck, and you read it first here, I'm in the process of hacking up a video that will be 100% believable of running XP on my MacBook Pro. At least on there, it will look legit. How will I do it? Using the video out function on my PC, and a camcorder with video in, I'll record XP booting, and doing some tasks like starting up notepad and typing something. Then I'll play the video back on the MacBook Pro full screen. I'll record this on my digital still camera's 'low quailty movie mode' (claiming it's the only movie camera I have,) and because the camera will be far enough away from the MBP to 'verify' that it is indeed an MBP, you won't be able to tell that it's just a movie playing at 640x480, it will look just fine. And to complete the illusion, I'll have the MBP 'off' when starting playback (on battery long enough that the backlight turned off,) and will hit the power button to turn it on. In reality, I'll be hitting spacebar on a wireless keyboard to start the video playing. I'll have the internal trackpad disabled, and match the movements of the Windows mouse to load up an app. Finally, typing on the MBP's keyboard to match my typing on the Windows video... (Just have to be careful to not actually hit spacebar.)

Now, I've posted the fact that I'm going to do this, and posted exactly HOW I'm going to do it. When a video of an MBP running Windows magically appears on the 'net, will anyone call me on it? I bet it'll make Slashdot. (Of course, I'll be hosting the video on my .Mac account, so it will go down quickly, fueling the rumors.)

I have already recorded the Windows part, I just need to practice the timing of mousing and typing so that my fake typing on the Mac matches the typing on the Windows machine.
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So are you also going to send out instructions on how you are actually going to install windows on a mac and subject it to a third party for testing like narf did? The video could well be fake... sure, but the instructions and solution submitted are at least 'real enough' to test.
 
No matter what video trickery you try there will be some flaws. First off the video out on your PC isn't that good quality, I did this before to record a flash movie on my PC and it came out a bit pixelated with a black border. Second, the aspect ratio of the recording will not match that of your MacBook Pro, it'll look stretched and distorted. Why would you waste your time doing this though?

Ok so there may be a chance that this guy's thing is fake, I don't think so, but, I mean he's submitted the steps and they are actually being tested, if the steps didn't work at all I think we would have known by now. I think your just wasting your time but, maybe you have a lot more free time than I do. Do what you want but, I mean I don't think your really going to prove anything by doing this. :rolleyes:
 
ehurtley said:
Now, I've posted the fact that I'm going to do this, and posted exactly HOW I'm going to do it. When a video of an MBP running Windows magically appears on the 'net, will anyone call me on it? I bet it'll make Slashdot. (Of course, I'll be hosting the video on my .Mac account, so it will go down quickly, fueling the rumors.)

I have already recorded the Windows part, I just need to practice the timing of mousing and typing so that my fake typing on the Mac matches the typing on the Windows machine.
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Might be easier to create a "fake" BIOS (you can hack the one that comes with BOCHS) and write something to store the Mac's partition settings in an MBR. It'd be more useful to be honest. And you might become $12,000 richer.

I can understand the point in faking "new" Apple products. There's no amount of effort you can spend in making them convincing that would be greater than the amount needed to make them real. But at some point, a competent enough computer programmer is going to put down the camera and ask "Why on Earth am I faking this?" It's like trying to get a day off work by building an exact replica of yourself.
 
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