WINE for Intel Macs?

[nagromme]

I bet there has been more damage done on Macs running MacOS X by antivirus software than by viruses.

No doubt 😀 There's been zero damage by viruses, and that recent Norton Antivirus glitch was pretty embarrassing for Symantec.

My strategy: I'll download antivirus software the day there IS a virus for OS X. The news of it will reach some site I visit, I'm sure. Some people will download the latest virus definitions on that day... but I will download the definitions AND the app 🙂 (Unless, that is, Apple has a patch that plugs the hole the virus exploits. Then that virus is a non-issue to me, and the wait begins for virus #2!)

Now how did a discussion of Windows apps degenerate into discussion of security and viruses?

 

[yellow]

Now how did a discussion of Windows apps degenerate into discussion of security and viruses?

LOL!! That NEVER happens! 🙂

 

[anonicon]

Why in the HELL do I want to run Windows, ever, on a Mac? And why are too many idiots spending their time thinking of making it work? Jesus, what a waste of effort. This is speculation, but I'd bet my house that the first REAL Vista virus is waiting for Vista's release. So why would I want to destroy my productivity so I can run that vertical marketing crap-application that's only available on a crap-PC? I'll buy the crap-box from evil Wal-Mart. When it dies, I toss it, much like a used Preperation-H towlette.

The top 10 reasons why this is an ignorant troll:

10. WINE is not Windows, nor is it an emulator.
9. This version of WINE allows programs to run on OSX that otherwise could not, including games, productivity and office apps, developer apps, and *much* more.
8. Professionals don't have the luxury of choosing what environments they'll support when their clients and bosses are calling the shots.
7. Thinking Dumbass is not Thinking Differently.
6. The Mac is not just about Me, Myself, and I, and it's not just about you either.
5. Preparation-H, WINE, and Apple, unlike you, actually provide a public benefit.
4. Microsoft Vista will not be running on a Mac.
3. Blaming WINE for potentially destroying your productivity isn't likely unless you choose to install it on your PC.
2. WINE for OSX helps Apple and hurts Microsoft (a very little). This is bad?

...and the final reason this is an ignorant troll...

1. The Taliban called, and they want their simple-minded righteousness back.

Love and Kisses!

 

[SiliconAddict]

The top 10 reasons why this is an ignorant troll:

Thank you. You made my day. 😀

 

[MacsRgr8]

9. This version of WINE allows programs to run on OSX that otherwise could not, including games, productivity and office apps, developer apps, and *much* more.

Sure about this?

Are the Mac-specific grfx cards in the Mac-Tels supported by DirectX using WINE?

I will also wonder that when/if Win XP/Vista gets booted natively on a Intel Mac, if grfx cards etc. will be supported.

 

[Dane D.]

Why in the HELL do I want to run Windows, ever, on a Mac? And why are too many idiots spending their time thinking of making it work? Jesus, what a waste of effort.
This is speculation, but I'd bet my house that the first REAL Vista virus is waiting for Vista's release. So why would I want to destroy my productivity so I can run that vertical marketing crap-application that's only available on a crap-PC? I'll buy the crap-box from evil Wal-Mart. When it dies, I toss it, much like a used Preperation-H towlette.

There is no "best" in the WIN world. It's an abomination. Vista on a Mac is like having a mole on your skin that might one day turn to cancer.

Keep your mole.

I agree, why waste your time on anything Microsoft. I just got a taste of Windows today, one of our employees is leaving and I will be helping out until the new person can take over the tasks. I used a DELL, running XP, and PageMaker 6.5 (vomit), I was this close to heaving the 😡 f..king computer out the window. How anybody can use that operating system and programs on that system is beyond me. Give me a Mac and any Mac OS I will be productive.

 

[kironin]

I think some of this is beside the point.

I already have to run anti-virus software on Mac because I am required to at work. Intego Virus Barrier runs just fine (already a universal binary).

I have a single custom Windows app that I have no Mac version of that I need to conduct my own business. I have to run Virual PC to use it now and that is a
real headache. It would be great if I could run it with WINE instead of having to boot a whole second operating system. WINE just allows you not to be stuck with having to use or buy a WinPC or Windows for the rare exception to 99% everything useful you can do on a Mac. (caveat - I am not a gamer. I use my computer for science research, programming and business).

I don't want to buy a second computer for 1 or 2 necessary apps. If Virtual PC did not exist I would have had to. I would like to now not have to buy and maintain the second operating system that I had to for Virtual PC. That's what WINE offers.

 

[SiliconAddict]

Sure about this?

Are the Mac-specific grfx cards in the Mac-Tels supported by DirectX using WINE?

Not all games use Direct X. Some are OpenGL. Conversely MANY, MANY, MANY do, and as such I wouldn't expect these games to run at all or if they do they will use the CPU for graphics acceleration, which will make you..

 

[djdarlek]

Any Chance?

Is there any chance on earth that Apple are secretly planning to 'enable' some sort of native PC app compatibiity (for intel macs) via their next release of OSX? You can imagine the fanfare they could give a feature like that, especially if it had some sort of virus resistance and you wouldn't have to log off to dual boot.

I appreciate that Virtual PC does this to some extent (I run it myself every now and then), but we would hopefully be talking about NATIVE support. So games would at last be a possibility.

I am not sure of the licensing of windows source code would go down - maybe they could be ultra sly and just rebuild a new version of XP 😎

Oh well, here's to a perfect world 🙂

 

[nagromme]

Is there any chance on earth that Apple are secretly planning to 'enable' some sort of native PC app compatibiity (for intel macs) via their next release of OSX? You can imagine the fanfare they could give a feature like that, especially if it had some sort of virus resistance and you wouldn't have to log off to dual boot.

I appreciate that Virtual PC does this to some extent (I run it myself every now and then), but we would hopefully be talking about NATIVE support. So games would at last be a possibility.

No, I don't think so. Apple wouldn't want to be in the nightmare business of supporting Windows users any more than they already are! Windows-on-Mac is good for Apple in many ways, but I think it's better for Apple to focus on their OWN OS and let third parties specialize in Windows-on-Mac. (Or Windows apps on Mac.)

As for games, VirtualPC could play games just fine if it supported the GPU, and that feature has been mentioned as planned for the future, IF there's another VPC version (which I expect will happen). If not, someone else can do it. You can have your speed, your games, your GPU, your apps, AND your virus protection, with something like VPC. Not today, but I'm sure it's coming, from Microsoft and/or someone else.

 

[Marvy]

Once again, I'm not trying to spread FUD. Except maybe the U part. Because there IS uncertainty. Can anyone here say with absolute confidence that there is no way windows code could be manipulated to damage an OSX system running WINE?

No, but you could say the same about Mac apps. Noone can with absolute certainty say that there is no way a virus can harm the Mac. But the virus fear here is just hilarious. You know, the mac security layer, with all its file permissions and password protection doesn't magically get turned off by WINE. It's still there. Just like before apps can't suddenly start to delete files from your System folder, or do things that would require root priveleges. Sure, a virus could mess up something inside its realm, like delete a file you just created under WINE and which is accessible under WINE. But even that is so highly unlikely, since there is no good way a virus can nest itself into the OS, since it is expecting Windows, and that is simply not there.
Could someone modify a win virus to be able to wreak havoc on a Mac? Yes, but it would be easier to create a Mac virus from the start.

 

[ChrisA]

they have a list, youcan read it

I have one and only one question....Office 2003....spec...Access 2003. Yes/No
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Why ask us? Go to www.winehq.org site and read the list of compatable applications. It is more then just yes/no however. they use a gold/silver/bronze system to mean different levels of "yes"

 

[sehix]

Why in the HELL do I want to run Windows, ever, on a Mac? And why are too many idiots spending their time thinking of making it work? Jesus, what a waste of effort.

Nobody says *you* have to use it, do they?

I have one critical application, Adobe FrameMaker, that I've been using at work since before Adobe bought the original company out.

Adobe has dropped it on Mac OS. Since I still need to use it, why should I have to buy a PC to run FrameMaker (*everything* else I need to do I can do in Mac OS X), when I could run it on one of my Macs using Darwine?

It's no skin off your nose.

 

[iEdd]

Sorry if it's already been mentioned, but the intel mac version has been out for ages, just hasn't worked with anything above 10.3 or something. Whatever it was, it only worked on the earliest of developer machines if I remember.
EDIT: I found it Here
I don't understand rapidshare.. It seems like crap.. The download never starts then I refresh it to say "sign up or wait 18 minutes". I wait 30 minutes and still nothing... So I reload again. "sign up or wait 57 minutes".

 

[macffooky]

I have a 1 gig Win2K VPC image solely for the purpose of running Exact Audio Copy as it is the only app capable of a secure rip using a drive that caches audio. I know it runs under WINE and I'll be absolutely delighted if it'll do the same on an Intel Mac 🙂

 

[SiliconAddict]

Why ask us? Go to www.winehq.org site and read the list of compatable applications. It is more then just yes/no however. they use a gold/silver/bronze system to mean different levels of "yes"

Kinda a rhetorical question to make the point that Office is my primary reason for wanting this.. Sorry. 😱

 

[revjay]

The Pot Calling The Troll Black

The top 10 reasons why this is an ignorant troll:

10. WINE is not Windows, nor is it an emulator.
9. This version of WINE allows programs to run on OSX that otherwise could not, including games, productivity and office apps, developer apps, and *much* more.
8. Professionals don't have the luxury of choosing what environments they'll support when their clients and bosses are calling the shots.
7. Thinking Dumbass is not Thinking Differently.
6. The Mac is not just about Me, Myself, and I, and it's not just about you either.
5. Preparation-H, WINE, and Apple, unlike you, actually provide a public benefit.
4. Microsoft Vista will not be running on a Mac.
3. Blaming WINE for potentially destroying your productivity isn't likely unless you choose to install it on your PC.
2. WINE for OSX helps Apple and hurts Microsoft (a very little). This is bad?

...and the final reason this is an ignorant troll...

1. The Taliban called, and they want their simple-minded righteousness back.

Love and Kisses!

Pardon...who's the troll?
#7 #5 #1 serve no purpose in this discussion
#4 ...a crystal ball have you?

I agree, WINE may offer software solutions necessary for many...but, come on...for the average home MAC user, WINE will serve little or no purpose.

 

[dermeister]

Pardon...who's the troll?
#7 #5 #1 serve no purpose in this discussion
#4 ...a crystal ball have you?

I agree, WINE may offer software solutions necessary for many...but, come on...for the average home MAC user, WINE will serve little or no purpose.

I completely agree with him. The guy is a troll. His point was essential this:
OMFG I HATE WINDOZE IT SUX OMGOGGOMGG WHY WOULD ANYBODY USE THIS OMG WTF".

 

[panoz7]

Hi... sorry for my ignorance. Does any body know if WINE will work with external peripherals connected through USB? I'm a science major and my university forces us to use a windows only data collection program that connects to an external interface through USB. Any idea if this will eventually work with WINE? This stupid program is all that's keeping me from fully switching over to macs... and oh how i'd love to trade this stupid windows laptop in for a nice new macbook pro. On a related note, does VPC allow you to use USB peripherals? I only ever tried VPC on my old emac, and was very disapointed by the emulated performance. This program is kind of a ram hog, and I can't risk having it crash (it crashes enough when running natively in windows) so I never even considered running it in VPC... but if it can run natively without emulation... well that'd just be great.

 

[flahiker]

Quote:
Originally Posted by yellow
No, because the OS is still Mac OS X, which is still immunte to Windows viruses.

WRONG! The one major reason Apples have been less vulnerable to viruses (definatley not immune) is because they used a RISC processor and the Apple OS and other programs use many instruction sets embedded into the processor. This has changed with the inferior x86 hardware.

I really don't care because now Apples are just IBM clones.

This is conpletely wrong. Apples have always been and currently are vunlerable to a host of exploits. These are at the OS level. RISC has nothing to do with the security of the OS, niether does X86.

Linux, BSD, BEOS, Solairs, Net BSD, Open BSD, etc all run on X86. Many run on different hardware platforms as well. All are vulnerable by varying degrees to exploits.

My point is that OSX is not more or less secure because it is on a different hardware platform.

 

[nagromme]

WRONG! The one major reason Apples have been less vulnerable to viruses (definatley not immune) is because they used a RISC processor and the Apple OS and other programs use many instruction sets embedded into the processor. This has changed with the inferior x86 hardware.

I really don't care because now Apples are just IBM clones.

Your history of anti-Intel posts suggests that personal feelings may be clouding your view here 😀

Some facts you miss:

* RISC vs. CISC is not the clear-cut distinction it once was. G5s have some CISC attributes, and Core Duo has some RISC attributes.

* The reason there are zero OS X viruses is not the processor. It's the OS. Processors can and do have flaws, but they aren't "the one major reason" for viruses. The Windows OS is the culprit there--truly.

* x86 HAS indeed often been inferior--Netburst (Pentium 4, Celeron, Xeon) especially--but it is not inferior moving forward. Intel acknowledges the problems with Netburst and is officially scrapping the whole line by the end of this year. Their NEW direction began with the excellent Pentium M line, which, like the recent Core Duo chips, are NOT in the Netburst family. Nor will future Intel chips be. So x86 is not inferior today, unless you can point to a laptop PowerPC that competes with Core Duo and is available in quantity. And to a chip coming this year to compete with Merom. And Conroe.

The CPU change was a lot to swallow for me too, last year. But IBM and Freescale don't want to be in the personal computer processor market. How could Apple change that short of tripling the price of Macs and throwing the money at IBM? And even that wouldn't guarantee IBM's ability to deliver a laptop chip to compete with Yonah and Merom--and in a timely fashion.

Apple only makes "IBM clones" if you don't care about Mac OS X. But if you sit down at a new iMac all you use is Mac OS X. You can't even TELL what chip is inside, so it's not worth long-term emotional trauma about it. Look at at this way: change is scary, but it can also be exciting. The only thing that's changing for us Mac users is that our Macs will get faster, smaller, and quieter--and all of those things far sooner than could ever have happened with IBM.

The transition has its rough edges, and nothing can help that. But they are temporary, and they are well worth it. Apple's very good at managing big platform changes and keeping things running amazingly smoothly for us users in the process.

 

[amateurmacfreak]

Why in the HELL do I want to run Windows, ever, on a Mac? And why are too many idiots spending their time thinking of making it work? Jesus, what a waste of effort.
This is speculation, but I'd bet my house that the first REAL Vista virus is waiting for Vista's release. So why would I want to destroy my productivity so I can run that vertical marketing crap-application that's only available on a crap-PC? I'll buy the crap-box from evil Wal-Mart. When it dies, I toss it, much like a used Preperation-H towlette.

There is no "best" in the WIN world. It's an abomination. Vista on a Mac is like having a mole on your skin that might one day turn to cancer.

Keep your mole.

Haha, very much like the whole scenario and the personality, 😉 but some people just need some certain Windows apps for work, etc. And this could bring some some switchers....🙂

 

[atomiton]

So if i have a windows only app (i have ONE) and I want to run it under darWine, how do i go about doing that?

Is there resources on the net? I can't find much in the way of instructions (beyond installing darwine) to using an application.

Thanks!

btw, this is on a G4

 

[AndrewMT]

Why in the HELL do I want to run Windows, ever, on a Mac? And why are too many idiots spending their time thinking of making it work? Jesus, what a waste of effort.
This is speculation, but I'd bet my house that the first REAL Vista virus is waiting for Vista's release. So why would I want to destroy my productivity so I can run that vertical marketing crap-application that's only available on a crap-PC? I'll buy the crap-box from evil Wal-Mart. When it dies, I toss it, much like a used Preperation-H towlette.

There is no "best" in the WIN world. It's an abomination. Vista on a Mac is like having a mole on your skin that might one day turn to cancer.

Keep your mole.

Games. Can I play Windows games on a Mac under WINE?

 

[milo]

Why in the HELL do I want to run Windows, ever, on a Mac? And why are too many idiots spending their time thinking of making it work?

Apps that are windows only. Why is that so hard to understand?

And I think the thread with those screenshots is hilarious. The guy has screenshots of WinZip running (why?) and people are asking him if he can get Google Earth to run (OMG!)

We're talking about something that is just starting to run the most simple apps. Something like WinZip is an excellent thing to try in the early stages since it's simple and doesn't have any special hardware interaction. Once the basics work, they can try out more complex apps.