Thanks for the idea.
So you did or didn't steal that idea? Lol
Thanks for the idea.
No, jailbroken apps are as buggy as Android.
LOL @ "anti-competitive"
Are you really, honestly standing there saying that Cydia somehow competes with Apple?
How completely elitist of you!
The fact remains that only a small percentage of iOS users jailbreak. And a significant percentage of those are pirating software (either Apple's or iOS developers'.) What's in it for Apple to target this group?
Cydia sees 4.5 million users/week out of 350 million iOS device sold.
I'd love to see evidence to those statements.
The number of users that Cydia sees per week is irrelevant. For example, I have a jailbroken iPhone, but I only access Cydia once a month or less.
I'd love to see evidence to those statements.
The number of users that Cydia sees per week is irrelevant. For example, I have a jailbroken iPhone, but I only access Cydia once a month or less.
I doubt you will be able to find evidence to support the above BS statement by BM.
Which statement do you find hard to believe? That only a small percentage of iOS users jailbreak? Or that a significant amount of them are pirating software?
I provided evidence of the first claim. Even if most jailbreakers only access Cydia once a month, that's only 18 million out of 350 million iOS devices.
The other claim seems pretty obvious. I'm not claiming "most" or "a lot" or anything other that "a significant amount."
Which way is it going to be? You can't discount the percentage of iOS users that jailbreak and then state that a "significant amount" of those are pirates without any evidence of the percentage of jailbreak users that pirate. Either we care about "most" and "a lot", or we don't.
For something that seems to be done by such a small number of users, you seem to be pretty upset about it.
I really don't understand how other people wanting to make modifications to devices they own hurts you.
If you want evidence that there is a thriving jailbreak community full of people interested in expanding the capabilities of their iOS devices, but not out to pirate paid apps all you have to do is spend a few minutes in MacRumors' very own "iPhone Hacks" section. You'll notice that there are no discussions of piracy allowed, whatsoever.
The original purpose of this thread was to discuss whether we thought that it would be in Apple's best interest to hire some of the developers that write certain tweaks and modifications for iOS that are distributed via Cydia. Personally I could see it going either way to me as an end user that chooses to jailbreak my device and take advantage of some of those modifications. What I can't understand, is what offends you so much about the idea.
Not offended. Just disagree. Stop trying to make this personal. As has been pointed out, there are no real benefits to Apple for doing this. Has nothing to do with my personal feelings.
Yeah! Just like Comex getting an internship / abandoning the jailbreak community was great for us! Right???
If anything the title should be, "With all that $, shouldn't Apple implement jailbreak tweaks immediately?"
Unfortunately, I'd bet a lot of people are ignorant of when they are breaking copyright laws with respect to jailbreaking.
The problem is that you make it personal for those who choose to jailbreak their devices by villainizing our actions and making us out to be common criminals.
The copyright office made an exemption to the DMCA for jailbreaking, therefore it is copyright legal, and therefore deemed a legal use of IP. End of story.
- The act of jailbreaking. Obviously the Dev Team is very careful not to release jailbreak tools that contain Apple code, this has delayed jailbreaks in the past.
- Buying an app like lockinfo or bitesms on Cydia. Cydia is a registered company, paying taxes, and obviously not immune to legal action from Apple.
- Installing a theme that does not borrow any Apple code or images.
In my view none of these constitutes copyright theft. I am not sure that most themers realize that weather widgets often use Apple code directly without permission. But there has never been action brought against the creators or persons that allow the sharing of this information (MacRumors included). I personally think that people know when they are stealing.
Have any examples where you think a jailbreaker would unknowingly be breaking copyright laws?
Well it is "your interpretation". But the simple fact is JB'ing is legal. My cousin is an IP attorney here in FL. I asked him about this long ago when I jailbroke his iPhone for him after he used mine as I was curious if Apple could go after them. Sure some sources on Cydia are "iffy".... but like he said there's nothing illegal about it, if there were, Apple would be all over Cydia and developers like a fly on *****. I mean we're talking about the most sue happy company around when it comes to anything that they think infringed on their Copyright/IP rights.Legal when you jailbreak to accomplish things that are allowed by the limitations to copyright law.
Depends on the software. If it modifies iOS to provide additional functionality not accessible to App Store apps through public or private APIs, probably not.
Pretty clear infringement. Direct modification of iOS that would seem to be an obvious example of creating a derivative work.
The above are my interpretations of copyright law. Not legal advice.
I think my explanations allow for obvious examples.
Well it is "your interpretation". But the simple fact is JB'ing is legal.
If Apple could and wanted too, they would have Cydia blocked with court order or gone after developers.... but they can't, b/c there's nothing illegal about it no matter what various peoples interpretation of IP law is.
Pretty clear infringement. Direct modification of iOS that would seem to be an obvious example of creating a derivative work.
You'd be absolutely right if they were distributing or selling parts of iOS code when they did this. They're not. What is being distributed is code that modifies what's already on the device - so they are not distributing a derivative work.
Copyright is not limited to distribution. The copyright holder has exclusive rights to reproduction, distribution, and the creation of derivative works subject to specific limitations.
Distributing code that modifies a copyrighted work without the permission of the copyright holder is likely contributory infringement, unless the the modification fall under the limitations to the holder's exclusive rights.
You should be a lawyer for Apple then since you know the law that well and they dont![]()
That's a pretty snappy comeback. This is pretty basic stuff.
Apparently it's not so basic since Apple has no legal standing against cydia.
Legal when you jailbreak to accomplish things that are allowed by the limitations to copyright law.
IP law is by no means something I am familiar with beyond the very basics. It is also different here in the UK.
I don't know what the limitations to copyright law are and will not be looking through statue to find them. But it is clear the act of jailbreaking is legal.
That cydia continues to operate, receive income from sold apps, and exists as a registered company, strongly suggests to me:
- that running bitesms or a paid theme on my phone does not contravene copyright law, or
- Apple knowingly permits cydia to continue despite it knowing there are copyright infringements, for whatever reason, or
- Cydia is on the list but there are bigger battles at the moment with more significant threats
I'm not sure what you are getting at here. I've specifically said that "Cydia pretty clearly falls under the copyright limitations regarding software compatibility." Where do you disagree with me?
I'd bet on the reason that I highlighted in bold.