With all that $, don't you wish that Apple would just hire/buy the top Cydia talent?

[likemyorbs]

I'm not sure what you are getting at here. I've specifically said that "Cydia pretty clearly falls under the copyright limitations regarding software compatibility." Where do you disagree with me?

The part where you're trying to tell us that modifying our OS violated copyright law. That's like saying that writing notes and highlighting sentences in a book violates copyright law because you're modifying the book. You have no point. I'm going to do whatever i want with the phone that i own, and the law backs me up. Sorry buddy, you lose.

 

[BaldiMac]

Yes, but you also claim installing a theme is a "pretty clear infringement". Despite cydia receiving income from paid themes.

Yep.

You also refused to address whether lockinfo and bytesms were and infringement of copyright but indirectly implied that they were. I would strongly suggest they are not an infringement.

I didn't imply that they were. I have no idea what they do. All I said was that if an app modifies iOS to provide additional functionality not accessible to App Store apps through public or private APIs, it probably infringes on copyright.

 

[likemyorbs]

I didn't imply that they were. I have no idea what they do. All I said was that if an app modifies iOS to provide additional functionality not accessible to App Store apps through public or private APIs, it probably infringes on copyright.

NO IT ******* DOESN'T. You're talking out of your ass and have no basic understanding of copyright law. If you don't know what you're talking about, then don't talk about it. If there was a violation there would have been a lawsuit. Apple would sue a baby for drinking apple juice if they could.

Yep.

Durrrp.......that's how you sound.

 

[antisoma]

Yep.



I didn't imply that they were. I have no idea what they do. All I said was that if an app modifies iOS to provide additional functionality not accessible to App Store apps through public or private APIs, it probably infringes on copyright.

Okay, that's fine.

Can we agree that the legality of using a theme (or cydia providing a theme) is unclear and untested in court? And that either Apple believes it is not possible or not worth litigating?

 

[BaldiMac]

The part where you're trying to tell us that modifying our OS violated copyright law.

Yep. Modifying a copyrighted work without the owner's permission is copyright infringement unless the modification are covered by specific limitations to the owner's exclusive rights.

That's like saying that writing notes and highlighting sentences in a book violates copyright law because you're modifying the book.

It's not like that at all. The physical book isn't covered by copyright law.

 

[Applejuiced]

You're talking out of your ass and have no basic understanding of copyright law.

He does that a lot
Makes things up as laws or violations as he goes.
Then he says I dont know, I said probably
lol

 

[likemyorbs]

The physical book isn't covered by copyright law.

.....done.

He does that a lot
Makes things up as laws or violations as he goes.
Then he says I dont know, I said probably
lol

It's like arguing with a brick wall.

 

[BaldiMac]

Okay, that's fine.

Can we agree that the legality of using a theme (or cydia providing a theme) is unclear and untested in court? And that either Apple believes it is not possible or not worth litigating?

I'd agree with untested in court, but I have no idea if it has or not. Not sure how it is unclear.

And, obviously, I agree that Apple probably believes it's just not worth litigating.

 

[antisoma]

.....done.

Actually, depending on how you define it... See first-sale doctrine.

 

[Wild-Bill]

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I wish Apple would hire a dedicated OS team that has NOTHING to do with IOS and they focus all their attention on OSX 10.8 so that it's like Snow Leopard, but better (read: nothing like Lion).

Their desktop app team should not be involved with IOS in any way, and they can focus all their attention on said app, then maybe quality control would improve...

 

[Digital Skunk]

Man, some people have some real enmity towards people who jailbreak.

It's almost like they're mad that an Apple product gets worked on by somebody other than Apple.

This is true.

Apple doesn't really need to hire from the jailbreak community because they could honestly implement the features themselves but that's a whole 'nother story..

This is the only reason I think Apple doesn't need to hire from/buy Cydia. Apple can just implement it and stop playing games.

Can you back up your statement?

They won't be able to. 1)I've had my fair share of Android, iOS, and WebOS app crashes . . . it all depends on the App; and 2)he's/she's talking out the side of his/her neck.

 

[antisoma]

I'd agree with untested in court, but I have no idea if it has or not. Not sure how it is unclear.

And, obviously, I agree that Apple probably believes it's just not worth litigating.

Okay.

The legality of installing themes and cydia apps like bitesms is untested in court. I believe this suggests the legality is unclear but that distinction is not really necessary. Apple hasn't litigated, for whatever reason.

So, the legality of what I do with my jailbroken phone (themes and paid non-pirated cydia apps) is untested. And Apple hasn't brought this to court for whatever reason.

Good enough for me. If the situation changes, so will my opinion. But for now I have to assume either it is not illegal, untested or unclear, or that Apple secretly wants me to jailbreak (or rather doesn't care).

Back to the iPhone Hacks forum amongst my brethren.

 

[BaldiMac]

Okay.

The legality of installing themes and cydia apps like bitesms is untested in court. I believe this suggests the legality is unclear but that distinction is not really necessary. Apple hasn't litigated, for whatever reason.

So, the legality of what I do with my jailbroken phone (themes and paid non-pirated cydia apps) is untested. And Apple hasn't brought this to court for whatever reason.

Good enough for me. If the situation changes, so will my opinion. But for now I have to assume either it is not illegal, untested or unclear, or that Apple secretly wants me to jailbreak (or rather doesn't care).

No problem. Despite accusations, I'm not trying to villainize jailbreaking. This conversation has gone way off the tracks. If you go back to my original post that started this tangent, it really had nothing to do with the legality of jailbreaking.

 

[antisoma]

No problem. Despite accusations, I'm not trying to villainize jailbreaking. This conversation has gone way off the tracks. If you go back to my original post that started this tangent, it really had nothing to do with the legality of jailbreaking.

I sure love a tangent!