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Do you want Apple to hire the top Cydia app talent and make their work part of iOS?

  • Yes

    Votes: 67 50.0%
  • No

    Votes: 67 50.0%

  • Total voters
    134
^^^ That is the most outlandish metaphor I have ever heard on these forums. I almost don't even know where to begin. Comparing the use of Cydia to taking over someone's house? Nobody is forcing Apple to use Cydia tweaks. They can do whatever they want. They want to keep their phones stock, more power to them. This is more like your friend building an exact copy of your house and doing all of those things that you mentioned, AT BEST. By the way, that's perfectly legal.
 
So before some of you hate and talk down towards the JB scene realize that if Jailbreaking didnt exist you probably wouldnt have many of the stock features you have available now on your iOS device.
To be honest, most of the features you listed were inevitably going to be added. Things like Zephyr and BiteSMS however, aren't inevitable.
 
Any evidence for that claim?

Take virtually every big feature that has been implemented since iOS 1.0 and you will see it was on Installer (I think that is what it was called - pre-cydia reference) first. If you want, you can believe that all Apple devs had their eyes closed and had no idea what was going on, as far as third party development is concerned. There really is no way to prove you wrong, except to say that it would make zero sense for them not to be paying attention to this.

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To be honest, most of the features you listed were inevitably going to be added. Things like Zephyr and BiteSMS however, aren't inevitable.

Inevitable or not, it all started with the jailbreak scene. It's like the argument that Android would be nothing without iOS. There is no concrete proof that iOS molded Android into what it is. I still think it's foolish to say that it didn't, though.
 
^^^ That is the most outlandish metaphor I have ever heard on these forums. I almost don't even know where to begin. Comparing the use of Cydia to taking over someone's house? Nobody is forcing Apple to use Cydia tweaks. They can do whatever they want. They want to keep their phones stock, more power to them. This is more like your friend building an exact copy of your house and doing all of those things that you mentioned, AT BEST. By the way, that's perfectly legal.

Some people are like sheep:)
Follow the leader I guess. Everything Apple does is holly and nobody can improve on it.
Some that never jb can't appreciate or recognize some of the talent out there in the jb community.
 
Apple should hire the hackers behind the jailbreaks to help security and general iOS development.

Total nonsense. Breaking things takes a completely different mindset than making things secure. Would you hire a stock car racer, one who is really good at what he is doing, as a driving instructor?
 
So say I build a house. I furnish that house. I pay for the land under the house, the carpenters to build that house, the architects that designed it, the taxes and mortgage and all fees on that house. Its my house. I have the keys.

Now I invite you to come live in my house, maybe as a renter. I charge you a small fee. I tell you what part of the house you can move about freely and what parts are off limits. You sign that agreement....in tech talk, we call this a EULA usually. But just go with the simple house metaphor.

Now, as the landlord, I walk into the house one day, MY house, and you've broken into the parts of the house that were off limits to your use. Not only that, but you've turned my living room into YOUR living room, set up a dance pole and started up a strip club there. You freely invite all of your friends into MY house and claim "Hey, its MY STRIP CLUB" and then want me to somehow hire you as the general manager of this strip club you've set up in MY HOUSE because well hey...there are nude chicks dancing there and who doesn't want THAT in their living room? In fact you've got a whopping twelve other paying friends who want to see nude chicks in MY LIVING ROOM and I should be thanking you, no no no, I mean HIRING you for making MY LIVING ROOM into this better place.

Yeah, that pretty much sums up the mentality of the Cydia community. Its not their house. They didn't do anything creative or inventive. They took a great product with a cohesive design from other great minds and they hacked it to do things that weren't part of the product roadmap. Maybe sometimes, they created things that were part of future roadmap items and so brought them to light faster. And in doing so, maybe I'll even acknowledge that they 'expanded horizons' at Apple Labs. But Apple owns all the IP they designed on their OS. And you've turned it into the equivalent of a seedy, second-rate strip club because, again, a whole whopping TWELVE paying customers somehow know better and care more about the future of that product than Apple does, right? Did I mention the nekkid chicks? IN THE LIVING ROOM! WHAT A CONCEPT!

That makes Apple a responsible landlord and the Cydia 'developers' (more like disruptive hackers) just irresponsible geeks with no appreciation for intellectual property rights. Oh, ahem, until its THEIR HOUSE that gets trampled. As is evidenced by all the posts here and elsewhere that Cydia is somehow the 'savior of the iPhone' for all the 'great contributions' that have been made to the success of the platform. If anything, I'd argue Cydia and the Jailbreaking community have done more harm to the success of the of the iPhone than any single group on the planet. We could start with the whole 'free tethering!!!!111!!!!" apps as an end to unlimited data plans, or jump immediately to the 'liberating apps' like Installous if you prefer. But hey....every ecosystem has their share of farting apps. At least the farting apps are only obnoxious, not outright damaging to the brand.

The only Cydia developers worth spit are the ones that figured out how to play professionally and legally within the boundaries of Apples ecosystem. We call these men and women "App Store Developers."

Ignoring apples crazy apple tax even on books and such I think you are looking at this the wrong way.

First off its my house I own the phone and software on the phone.

Secondly not all the software is criminal. Nearly if not every update of ios was a jb app prior. The problem is the limitation in the software. I think we can both agree the notification system is much better in iOS 5 which was done prior with jb. And camera from the lock screen.

These addition would be like if I was a renter and decided to tear up your carpets and put down real hardwood. No sane minded landlord would be upset, hell maybe they would even build their next house with hardwood (apple).

I agree there are some problems with Jb because there are no rules but if the options of sbsettings were already built in there would be no need for many to jb.

Look at android. Unlike apple many of things if not all don't require rooting (jb equivalent). Even then not all a lot of people like to run roms to overclock and etc.

I'd venture to say only a small portion of jb apps are something that is against any sort of rule/law/agreement. Me wanting to have 5 apps in the main tray of ios isn't harming anyone.

And for the record I have a none jb iPhone 4s and Xoom 4g neither of which have anything illegal rule breaking aside from groove ip on the tablet so I can make phone calls and I'm not even sure if that's a problem.
 
Take virtually every big feature that has been implemented since iOS 1.0 and you will see it was on Installer (I think that is what it was called - pre-cydia reference) first. If you want, you can believe that all Apple devs had their eyes closed and had no idea what was going on, as far as third party development is concerned. There really is no way to prove you wrong, except to say that it would make zero sense for them not to be paying attention to this.

By that logic, you could believe that Apple was fresh out of ideas when they released iOS 1.0. All their subsequent ideas came from jailbreak devs. But that's ridiculous.

Obviously, Apple has had a product roadmap that includes features that they choose to delay until a future release. Features added to that roadmap come from lots of different places, including features developed by jailbreak devs. But to say "the jb community played a big role wether you like to admit it or not" or "... if Jailbreaking didnt exist you probably wouldnt have many of the stock features you have available now on your iOS device" is a bit of an exaggeration.
 
By the logic, you could believe that Apple was fresh out of ideas when they released iOS 1.0. All their subsequent ideas came from jailbreak devs. But that's ridiculous.

Almost everything they added was done before. So... no it's not ridiculous. A lot of the thing Apple added were implemented almost EXACTLY the way it had already been done by jailbreak devs. Also not ridiculous.
 
Almost everything they did was done before. So... no it's not ridiculous. A lot of the thing Apple added were implemented almost EXACTLY the way it had already been done by jailbreak devs. Also not ridiculous.

Which brings me back to me original question. Any evidence for that claim?
 
Which brings me back to me original question. Any evidence for that claim?

Go back and look. I don't keep an encyclopedia of "iOS throughout the years" unfortunately. I have been with iPhone since the beginning. My memory is what powers these posts. Since this isn't a court of law, I think that is good enough. :)
 
So say I build a house. I furnish that house. I pay for the land under the house, the carpenters to build that house, the architects that designed it, the taxes and mortgage and all fees on that house. Its my house. I have the keys.

Now I invite you to come live in my house, maybe as a renter. I charge you a small fee. I tell you what part of the house you can move about freely and what parts are off limits. You sign that agreement....in tech talk, we call this a EULA usually. But just go with the simple house metaphor.

Now, as the landlord, I walk into the house one day, MY house, and you've broken into the parts of the house that were off limits to your use. Not only that, but you've turned my living room into YOUR living room, set up a dance pole and started up a strip club there. You freely invite all of your friends into MY house and claim "Hey, its MY STRIP CLUB" and then want me to somehow hire you as the general manager of this strip club you've set up in MY HOUSE because well hey...there are nude chicks dancing there and who doesn't want THAT in their living room? In fact you've got a whopping twelve other paying friends who want to see nude chicks in MY LIVING ROOM and I should be thanking you, no no no, I mean HIRING you for making MY LIVING ROOM into this better place.

Yeah, that pretty much sums up the mentality of the Cydia community. Its not their house. They didn't do anything creative or inventive. They took a great product with a cohesive design from other great minds and they hacked it to do things that weren't part of the product roadmap. Maybe sometimes, they created things that were part of future roadmap items and so brought them to light faster. And in doing so, maybe I'll even acknowledge that they 'expanded horizons' at Apple Labs. But Apple owns all the IP they designed on their OS. And you've turned it into the equivalent of a seedy, second-rate strip club because, again, a whole whopping TWELVE paying customers somehow know better and care more about the future of that product than Apple does, right? Did I mention the nekkid chicks? IN THE LIVING ROOM! WHAT A CONCEPT!

That makes Apple a responsible landlord and the Cydia 'developers' (more like disruptive hackers) just irresponsible geeks with no appreciation for intellectual property rights. Oh, ahem, until its THEIR HOUSE that gets trampled. As is evidenced by all the posts here and elsewhere that Cydia is somehow the 'savior of the iPhone' for all the 'great contributions' that have been made to the success of the platform. If anything, I'd argue Cydia and the Jailbreaking community have done more harm to the success of the of the iPhone than any single group on the planet. We could start with the whole 'free tethering!!!!111!!!!" apps as an end to unlimited data plans, or jump immediately to the 'liberating apps' like Installous if you prefer. But hey....every ecosystem has their share of farting apps. At least the farting apps are only obnoxious, not outright damaging to the brand.

The only Cydia developers worth spit are the ones that figured out how to play professionally and legally within the boundaries of Apples ecosystem. We call these men and women "App Store Developers."
That is quite possibly one of the dumbest things, let alone response for anything, I have ever read. Not even going to bother breaking it down.

Have some more Apple Kool-Aid on me
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Ignoring apples crazy apple tax even on books and such I think you are looking at this the wrong way.

First off its my house I own the phone and software on the phone.

I'll just stop you right there because you are dead wrong right off the bat.

You may own the phone. But you only own a LICENSE to use the software on that phone. You agreed to a EULA the moment you registered the device, although most people just skip right over that point and never bother reading it.

When you agreed to that EULA, you made agreements to what you could and couldn't do (the locked rooms and the unlocked rooms of my metaphor). You willfully violated that EULA. Hey, be my guest. But don't sit there and say that your violation of the EULA somehow "enriches" the experience.

Read up a little. Get educated. Then come back and debate when you have the facts.

http://www.apple.com/legal/sla/

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That is quite possibly one of the dumbest things, let alone response for anything, I have ever read. Not even going to bother breaking it down.

Have some more Apple Kool-Aid on me
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Simple minds do simple things, like post cartoons. :)
 
I'll just stop you right there because you are dead wrong right off the bat.

You may own the phone. But you only own a LICENSE to use the software on that phone. You agreed to a EULA the moment you registered the device, although most people just skip right over that point and never bother reading it.

When you agreed to that EULA, you made agreements to what you could and couldn't do (the locked rooms and the unlocked rooms of my metaphor). You willfully violated that EULA. Hey, be my guest. But don't sit there and say that your violation of the EULA somehow "enriches" the experience.

Read up a little. Get educated. Then come back and debate when you have the facts.

http://www.apple.com/legal/sla/

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Simple minds do simple things, like post cartoons. :)

Only thing you forgot though is that JB is legal.
The Librarian of Congress and the Copyright Office entertain proposed exemptions to the DMCA, passed in 1998. The act forbids circumventing encryption technology to copy or modify copyrighted works. In this instance, Apple claimed the DMCA protects the copyrighted encryption built into the bootloader that starts up the iPhone OS operating system.

But the Copyright Office concluded that, “while a copyright owner might try to restrict the programs that can be run on a particular operating system, copyright law is not the vehicle for imposition of such restrictions.”

A federal appeals court came to the same conclusion in an unrelated dispute about “dongles,” or keys that grant access to software. “The owner’s technological measure must protect the copyrighted material against an infringement of a right that the Copyright Act protects, not from mere use or viewing,” (.pdf) the 5th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals ruled in a case concerning a software licensing flap between MGE UPS Systems and GE Consumer and Industrial.
Federal regulators lifted a cloud of uncertainty when they announced it was lawful to hack or “jailbreak” an iPhone, declaring there was “no basis for copyright law to assist Apple in protecting its restrictive business model.”

Read up a little. Get educated:)
http://www.cnet.com/8301-17918_1-20011824-85.html
 
Only thing you forgot though is that JB is legal.
The Librarian of Congress and the Copyright Office entertain proposed exemptions to the DMCA, passed in 1998. The act forbids circumventing encryption technology to copy or modify copyrighted works. In this instance, Apple claimed the DMCA protects the copyrighted encryption built into the bootloader that starts up the iPhone OS operating system.

But the Copyright Office concluded that, “while a copyright owner might try to restrict the programs that can be run on a particular operating system, copyright law is not the vehicle for imposition of such restrictions.”

A federal appeals court came to the same conclusion in an unrelated dispute about “dongles,” or keys that grant access to software. “The owner’s technological measure must protect the copyrighted material against an infringement of a right that the Copyright Act protects, not from mere use or viewing,” (.pdf) the 5th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals ruled in a case concerning a software licensing flap between MGE UPS Systems and GE Consumer and Industrial.
Federal regulators lifted a cloud of uncertainty when they announced it was lawful to hack or “jailbreak” an iPhone, declaring there was “no basis for copyright law to assist Apple in protecting its restrictive business model.”

Read up a little. Get educated:)
http://www.cnet.com/8301-17918_1-20011824-85.html

I'm not wrong my friend, I never claimed JB'ing was ILLEGAL.

I refuted the erroneous poster above that claimed that he "owned" iOS and had a right to do with it however he pleased. He doesn't. He owns a license to USE the product, and that USE is governed clearly by the EULA.

What I claimed, and still claim, is that the JB community has done nothing to contribute to the success of the Apple iPhone or IOS. Not a single thing. If anything, they have detracted from it, although just barely given the juggernaut of success that is Apple.

But to sit here and claim "All Hail Cydia for bringing us the wonder that is iPhone" is just delusional. They took a great product, broke it, crapped all over it, hacked it and you want me to THANK them for doing such a wonderful job in the process? Or better yet, have Apple HIRE them for their great "contributions?"

Please.

Look, if you don't have any respect for the ownership and intellectual property rights of Apple, do as you wish. The Cydia community clearly has no respect for IP rights. That makes them, at best, a bunch of hackers with no clear business sense and no professional aspirations to be professional developers. They are a bunch of hackers, geeks and possibly a bunch of wannabe's that just like to piss in the face of others and call it "good rain." But don't try and promote such behaviors to the status of contributors to the welfare and community that is Apple. Cydia owes their existence to Apple. Apple, on the other hand, owes nothing to the Cydia 'community' which is quick to sell out on a moments notice once they get a clue and realize "Hey, I could be a REAL somebody and get a REAL job if I quit playing in this no-mans land of useless dreams."

The whole hacker-as-cowboy motif died back in the 80's. Or haven't you heard?
 
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That is quite possibly one of the dumbest things, let alone response for anything, I have ever read. Not even going to bother breaking it down.

Have some more Apple Kool-Aid on me
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I took the time to read his post and it was exactly as you described it. It's pure emotionalist Apple fanboyism. The antithesis of what is healthy in terms of software innovation actually. The very anti-competitive, anti-intellectual, anti-choice stuff that will make tech dullards of our children or our children's children one day.
 
I took the time to read his post and it was exactly as you described it. It's pure emotionalist Apple fanboyism. The antithesis of what is healthy in terms of software innovation actually. The very anti-competitive, anti-intellectual, anti-choice stuff that will make tech dullards of our children or our children's children one day.

LOL @ "anti-competitive"

Are you really, honestly standing there saying that Cydia somehow competes with Apple?

OMG, talk about fanbois.

Seriously, I didn't realize this is a joke thread. Jokes on me obviously for taking you seriously.

GG.
 
Total nonsense. Breaking things takes a completely different mindset than making things secure. Would you hire a stock car racer, one who is really good at what he is doing, as a driving instructor?

If you know how to break into something, you know how to stop other people from breaking into it.
 
No, jailbroken apps are as buggy as Android.

Agreed, not all but a lot. Even the ones that work well don't work 100% perfectly.

Zephyr for example. I have it set for keyboard off but it still activates sometimes. Very annoying. I can see why Apple would never add this feature in its current form. Same for some other tweaks.
 
As much a I like some of the JB tweaks, I don't think apple will add them. Like other people have mentioned, no matter how great a tweak is, how much demand for it there is, or how much it improves the user experience, this is Apple we're talking about. As lOng as that feature does not correspond with their idea of what the OS and user experience should be like, it doesn't matter how many advantages a tweak has. They won't add it. That's what JB is for in the first place; to grant people personal more personal control over their devices, moreso than Apple would care to give. Still, one thing I would love to see implemented is SBsettings. You could argue out of all tweaks, it deviates the least from Apple's image of the OS experience, and its really convenient too.
 
I just don't jailbreak because it will slow down my devices, and that is not nice at all.

Cydia will go bankrupt
Tweakers will go bankrupt
Problem, jailbreakers?
You jelly, jailbreakers?
 
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Do you believe that someone who writes an app for jb phones on cydia haven't/don't write app store apps whether they are supposed to or not?
 
So say I build a house. I furnish that house. I pay for the land under the house, the carpenters to build that house, the architects that designed it, the taxes and mortgage and all fees on that house. Its my house. I have the keys.

Now I invite you to come live in my house, maybe as a renter. I charge you a small fee. I tell you what part of the house you can move about freely and what parts are off limits. You sign that agreement....in tech talk, we call this a EULA usually. But just go with the simple house metaphor.

Now, as the landlord, I walk into the house one day, MY house, and you've broken into the parts of the house that were off limits to your use. Not only that, but you've turned my living room into YOUR living room, set up a dance pole and started up a strip club there. You freely invite all of your friends into MY house and claim "Hey, its MY STRIP CLUB" and then want me to somehow hire you as the general manager of this strip club you've set up in MY HOUSE because well hey...there are nude chicks dancing there and who doesn't want THAT in their living room? In fact you've got a whopping twelve other paying friends who want to see nude chicks in MY LIVING ROOM and I should be thanking you, no no no, I mean HIRING you for making MY LIVING ROOM into this better place.

Yeah, that pretty much sums up the mentality of the Cydia community. Its not their house. They didn't do anything creative or inventive. They took a great product with a cohesive design from other great minds and they hacked it to do things that weren't part of the product roadmap. Maybe sometimes, they created things that were part of future roadmap items and so brought them to light faster. And in doing so, maybe I'll even acknowledge that they 'expanded horizons' at Apple Labs. But Apple owns all the IP they designed on their OS. And you've turned it into the equivalent of a seedy, second-rate strip club because, again, a whole whopping TWELVE paying customers somehow know better and care more about the future of that product than Apple does, right? Did I mention the nekkid chicks? IN THE LIVING ROOM! WHAT A CONCEPT!

That makes Apple a responsible landlord and the Cydia 'developers' (more like disruptive hackers) just irresponsible geeks with no appreciation for intellectual property rights. Oh, ahem, until its THEIR HOUSE that gets trampled. As is evidenced by all the posts here and elsewhere that Cydia is somehow the 'savior of the iPhone' for all the 'great contributions' that have been made to the success of the platform. If anything, I'd argue Cydia and the Jailbreaking community have done more harm to the success of the of the iPhone than any single group on the planet. We could start with the whole 'free tethering!!!!111!!!!" apps as an end to unlimited data plans, or jump immediately to the 'liberating apps' like Installous if you prefer. But hey....every ecosystem has their share of farting apps. At least the farting apps are only obnoxious, not outright damaging to the brand.

The only Cydia developers worth spit are the ones that figured out how to play professionally and legally within the boundaries of Apples ecosystem. We call these men and women "App Store Developers."

If Cydia adds strippers to my phone, I'm jailbreaking right now! :eek:
 
That is quite possibly one of the dumbest things, let alone response for anything, I have ever read. Not even going to bother breaking it down.

Have some more Apple Kool-Aid on me
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Now I want that image as an avatar.
 
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