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Subscribers =/= Paying Subscribers

it's clear even from their tweet. It's mostly free promotions from carriers, etc, good to inflate the upcoming IPO offer.
I don't know about mostly. They aren't a new company with a ton of promotions out there anymore. They have 30 million more than Apple. That's a lot.

Side note: They probably have so many more subscribers because Android users would rarely use Apple products. Just a guess. Plus updates...
 
that depends who is paying for it.

Often times, when a 3rd party offers a "free" subscription somewhere, that company is paying for that subscription out of pocket. So while the end user might very well have been given a free subscription, that subscription is still being paid for, just by someone else.

But there is clearly a difference between individuals choosing to subscribe and pay, and those who get it simply as part of some bundle when they might well not have paid for it on its own. It would be interesting to know the retention when bundles expire but I don't expect to see that shared.
 
Neil Cybart (Very smart apple analyst) made a note on his podcast that "paying" includes people who got Spotify for free because they subscribed to the NYTimes.

Can anyone verify?

If that is the case then the number Spotify gives is not nearly as valuable as it would seem on the surface.
Also anyone on a Rogers Share Everything Plan gets Spotify Premium for free. Wonder if those are included too.
 
There is no competition - right back to spotify after trial - it really is the best service hands down. I have a family plan with 3 members... Not sure how that works when they count.

I don't know about mostly. They aren't a new company with a ton of promotions out there anymore. They have 30 million more than Apple. That's a lot.

Well, Apple Music is good. Spotify is good too. They're both good!

Not so long ago, there was no legal way to listen to an album, a band, or even a song, without buying the single or album — or hoping the radio plays it.

It's much better now. I love how easy it is these days for people to legally discover and listen to new music. And sure, it may not financially benefit the artist as much as they'd like.

But simply a confirmed number of song plays on a streaming application is infinitely more tangible than an album floating on a torrent website.
 
I have Spotify, Apple Music and Amazon Music. While I use Spotify daily I rarely start Apple Music and I never listen to Amazon.

Reasons ?
Spotify has the better UI and a much better recommendation and channel system.
 
Well, Apple Music is good. Spotify is good too. They're both good!

Not so long ago, there was no legal way to listen to an album, a band, or even a song, without buying the single or album — or hoping the radio plays it.

It's much better now. I love how easy it is these days for people to legally discover and listen to new music. And sure, it may not financially benefit the artist as much as they'd like.

But simply a confirmed number of song plays on a streaming application is infinitely more tangible than an album floating on a torrent website.
I agree 100%. I just wish artists would be paid properly. There wouldn't be any of this without them.
 
I do not listen to music enough to justify subscribing. Plus, I already have a large collection of music that I can listen to when I do feel like listening.

Got it. That makes a lot of sense. Thanks for the response.
 
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I agree 100%. I just wish artists would be paid properly. There wouldn't be any of this without them.

True! But for the people who love the music; well, they'll buy the album. They'll go to the concerts and they'll buy the shirts. Or at the very least, they'll recommend the band to their friends. Even more people will listen to the songs.

Streaming fundamentally enables people to discover these songs, properly listed, with half-decent quality, even with the free tiers.

Again, not perfect, but I'd argue that the music industry is much better with the digital age in 2017 than it was in 2000 (Metallica vs Napster is just one of many examples!)
 
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True! But for the people who love the music; well, they'll buy the album. They'll go to the concerts and they'll buy the shirts. Or at the very least, they'll recommend the band to their friends. Even more people will listen to the songs.

Streaming fundamentally enables people to discover these songs, properly listed, with half-decent quality, even with the free tiers.

Again, not perfect, but I'd argue that the music industry is much better with the digital age in 2017 than it was in 2000 (Metallica vs Napster is just one of many examples!)
Yes. I'll ask my buddy John Mayer later on to double check, but I think the way artists make money has changed to being concerts primary.
 
I tried Apple Music for a couple of months and paid for a service to take my playlists with me to Apple Music from Spotify, but I have returned to Spotify again.

They just have an edge with the interface, a social integration that rocks (I have several playlists that me and some friends add songs to and share great music that way) and the local generated playlists for various music genres here in Denmark is just better on Spotify.

What I don't get through - is that we are far into the Apple Watch life, and still no spotify app for the watch has been made. Just a dead simple one, for offline a couple of playlists for my morning runs (love going "offline" without my phone)
 
Why the heck shouldn't Spotify penalise people who sign exclusive deals with their rivals, provided they do so without breaching their existing agreements?
 
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I don't subscribe to Spotify but I'm glad they're adding lossless music because it will push Apple to finally add lossless music to iTunes and Apple Music. Competition is a wonderful thing.
 
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Neil Cybart (Very smart apple analyst) made a note on his podcast that "paying" includes people who got Spotify for free because they subscribed to the NYTimes.

Can anyone verify?

If that is the case then the number Spotify gives is not nearly as valuable as it would seem on the surface.
How many readers do you think have subscribed to NYC? It certainly won't be anywhere close to even a million
 
I would give Apple Music a try for a few months if it was supported on the Amazon Echo which i use throughout my home for music.
 
For what its worth "Spotify Premium" is baked into our cell plan, we just get it as part of our two year contract. I am sure we count as subscribers, am sure there are a lot of folks in our position - there was no reason to turn it down. Given these deals with carriers I'd be surprised if Apple catches up in numbers.
 
Well I haven't tried Apple Music but I do have Spotify. Able to curate own playlist from millions of songs to choose from, download albums/songs/playlist for offline listening (downloads on WiFi). Can share and view other playlists from other users. no ads. If you're a student, its only 5 bucks a month! Besides, It has Future's new albums at launch available for download :)
 
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I hate apple music interface, but Spotify isnt available in my country so i'm pretty much stuck with Apple.
 
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Cause it's all about quantity isn't it? You just don't get it.

I do get it

That's simply 8,000,000 more + songs. Its Groove a music app (Zune lives on) it doesn't try to do TV, it doesn't try to do live radio rather more music and a very cool looking app probably the best example of UWP out there. Even for non-subscribers that place their MP3's in the "Music" folder on OneDrive, Groove integrates and builds free AI playlists out of that collection. Groove Music Pass subscribers get all their own music, plus the entire Groove catalog, all in one place. So its more than 26% more songs. there is no "planet of the Apps" stuff or the distraction or carpool Karaoke...just music. There is no Beats #1 station that's not my taste...just my music my groups and my radio stations the AI builds. It does include nonstop radio stations—free—with iHeartRadio
Great Cortana integration too.

Its also cool that the best version of Groove is on Windows, imagine that.

Its great. That why I did the 4 month trial and continue to pay gladly each month.
 
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