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Haha unbelievable what kind of idiots do troll around these forums.

The OP has a perfectly legitimate, logical and even reasonable request.

So far, iP4 problems have been documented in Youtube in countless videos. What the OP is after here is PROOF of:

- that you have two iP4s side by side, connected to the same network (and BTS for that matter)

- that one device shows the problem and the other one doesn't

And by this it's easily concluded that IF the above would be true, then the problem would most certainly not affect EVERY iP4 manufactured.

Why does this matter? If it does not affect every phone, then it most likely is not a SW issue. I am a telecom engineer (network side, production) by profession, and while some SW problems could crop up in a situation like that, even showing the problem in one device and not on the other, it's extremely unlikely that covering that left side stripe and the effects upon doing that would be affected by SW element actually variating the result.

Much much more likely is then, IF the above scenario can be proven to happen, that the HW is not exactly identical in each iP4, and that this issue is also then not likely a design issue per se. But more likely a component or production process related issue.

It could be a design issue if it happens so that the components are performing at the edge of their RF-performance. That some batch of components or assembly could escape this signal degradation, and another batch wouldn't. Then you could call it a design issue, since the component tolerances (and other production related tolerances) would make the problem surface. No device should ever be designed in a way that it cannot take volume production environment without essentially starting to show bad habits out of the box. If this happens because of cheap compos or just a different kind of batch of them, then I'd say Apple has not tested volume production and 2nd source components enough. Or that it has problems in their assembly line at Foxconn.

Anyway, a perfectly legitimate request, and running at page 13 no one has yet to prove the case. Will follow this with great interest. And thanks to OP for this. It shows so well in these kinds of forums that there are many individuals who have absolutely no clue about things :), and then there are some who do...

edit: forgot to mention that, IF the scenario cannot be created or the case proven (that in identical conditions one iP4 would be fine and the other one not), then we must assume that ALL iP4s are in fact experiencing this problem (to smaller or bigger extent). And in this case, the problem could be either SW or HW or a combination of both. There are so many people who are yelling that their phones don't have problems, so it would be very interesting to see this case actually proven :).


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Why does this matter? If it does not affect every phone, then it most likely is not a SW issue. I am a telecom engineer (network side, production) by profession, and while some SW problems could crop up in a situation like that, even showing the problem in one device and not on the other, it's extremely unlikely that covering that left side stripe and the effects upon doing that would be affected by SW element actually variating the result.

I've been following this thread closely too, and fervently hoping we see some clips showing what the OP has requested. My perspective (perhaps biased by not having the phone yet, but have tested my buddy's) is if there are some phones unaffected, then we can conclude that it isn't an inherent design failing.

Defects can be corrected. Quality control can be improved. An inherent design flaw means it cannot be rectified, until iPhone 4GS or iPhone5.

Naturally, I'm hoping a software fix will correct everything.
 
OP: Due to 1) the idiocy of the posters on this thread who think their phone is not affected and 2) the fact that you are probably right and the longer this thread continues the more apparent it is becoming, you will most likely never get the video you have asked for.
 
I had stated before that I was not having the issues yet.... and I did state "yet" Today I certainly did! I dropped 3 calls in a row and then had to use headphones to complete the call. It was frustrating. I got in Apples ear and asked them why exactly they are still selling the iPhone with a known defect. I also asked them if they expected me to really believe they did not know of this issue? They acted as if they did not know about it. I suggested to them that they most likely had about 1 million built and figured it would be better to sell them than have to tear the packages open and fix them all.

I kindly let them know that any decent business would have not sold the product and that now that they missed their first chance for decency there they should pull the product and plan on giving out 2 million bumpers for the people they already worked over. I was certain to let him know that he and his supervisors were obviously in no position to do any thing about it, or any thing at all really and I was obviously wasting my breath.

At this point they have become money hungry and have sold 2 million iPhones which puts them at about or just under 1 Billion dollars. Add that to the 3 million iPads this year so far and you are looking at 2.5 plus billion dollars in those two products alone that they are pounding out and selling as fast as they can then going back and fixing later.

I have a lot of apple gear and it is frustrating to have problems like this when everything else has worked so well. Right now they said they will no longer give free bumpers and that I need to order one off their site... Problem is that I am in Germany and they will not ship to my APO address! They suggested that I order on and send it to somebody in the US then have them ship it to me. I was sure to ask if they guy suggesting this would like to split the bill on that one with me! They do not have them on the German site so I dont really know what to do LOL. I did let them know that if I could I would return the phone. They were also sure to let me know that they know its not a software issue rather a hardware problem and they have no idea whats being done to correct it LOL
 
Huh, just a couple days ago I watched a YouTube video showing two iPhone 4s side-by-side, one showing the signal loss issue and the other one not when held the same way. I went back to link it to this thread, only to get a "This video has been removed by the user" message. Anybody else see this video? Has it been discussed in this thread? (It's 300+ long, I didn't read them all, my apologies.)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IS64wswavbY

You can see the summary of the video still in Google's cache if you search for "iphone side by side signal loss."

http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...watch?v=IS64wswavbY+&cd=3&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us
 
Huh, just a couple days ago I watched a YouTube video showing two iPhone 4s side-by-side, one showing the signal loss issue and the other one not when held the same way. I went back to link it to this thread, only to get a "This video has been removed by the user" message. Anybody else see this video? Has it been discussed in this thread? (It's 300+ long, I didn't read them all, my apologies.)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IS64wswavbY

You can see the summary of the video still in Google's cache if you search for "iphone side by side signal loss."

http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...watch?v=IS64wswavbY+&cd=3&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

Yes, it has been discussed. The author of the YouTube video commented quickly after posting that the 'working' phone was experiencing the issue as well.

dkendall77
9 minutes ago
well, seems I spoke to soon. Both phones are now experiencing the issue. I cycled the power off and on because calls weren't going through. When it started back up I received a flood of new texts from the day before... It was as if it was getting NO signal at all for 24 hours, even though it said it had full bars.
Makes me think it's a software issue.
 
Huh, just a couple days ago I watched a YouTube video showing two iPhone 4s side-by-side, one showing the signal loss issue and the other one not when held the same way. I went back to link it to this thread, only to get a "This video has been removed by the user" message. Anybody else see this video? Has it been discussed in this thread? (It's 300+ long, I didn't read them all, my apologies.)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IS64wswavbY

You can see the summary of the video still in Google's cache if you search for "iphone side by side signal loss."

http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...watch?v=IS64wswavbY+&cd=3&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

As far as I know the guy who posted this video tried to repeat the test and the test showed that both phones lost reception so he apologized and removed the video. The thing is that even if all phones have this issue (which seemingly they all do) it is simply impossible to put the two phones in exactly the same conditions. Some on occasion they might behave differently but the fact that it is so hard to come up with a case of two phones behaving differently when placed side-by-side (as this thread indicates) clearly proves that the issue affects all phones. Well, did not Steve Jobs confirm this when he replied that all phones behave this way?
 
This thread proves many things...

1) A majority of the posters should be banned based on pure ignorance alone - its shocking how dense many of you are.

2) For anyone who's actually decided to jump on board the logic train - EVERYONE has the issue in some form or fashion. While there may be 4 or 5 different factors that contribute to the degree in which the problem manifests itself, the problem is there.

Do I care that much - No. I'm a bumper guy, I use my phone too much at the gym to risk not protecting it in some form or fashion.

But seriously people!!!

The "la la la la la - my phone is fine, I'm not listening - la la la la la" mentality is just silly.

I thought at one point that I didn't have the issue, my phone worked fine when I was at work but the minute I got home where my connection is typically a bit spotty, I could reproduce the attenuation problemo. So sure its perfect in a particular location - just like everyone else. Go somewhere that isn't perfect - you too will have the issue.

Interesting post for what may be resolved with a potential software fix - https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/955307/
 
Well, I guess we can close this thread now since the leaked Apple's internal training documentation clearly confirms that all phones have this issue.

It doesn't, actually. For any logical person it's a strong indication that this is the case, since there's no mention of offering a replacement or of faulty batches, but that won't be enough to convince the apple zealots.

I always heard people joke about how Apple could put their logo on a turd and the fanboys would still defend it, but I never really believed it...

Now it has actually happened.
 
Sorry to be digging up this thread.

But i just stumbled upon this youtube vid:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTtzkZk8G-k

shows a guy unable to replicate the issue on one iPhone and then replicating it on another iPhone, both in the same Apple Store.

Same person + basically same location but different phones.

the sceptic in me has to add that he only does the "one thumb" for a short amount of time, we can't really see the palm when he does the actual grip, and the final "ill cover the side with my whole hand" doesn't really indicate that he's touching the bottom left seam

the optimist, however, wonders why someone should artificially fake this.


yeah, just thought i'd post this
 
Interesting...

I've tried this with my phone, but it seems Apple and ATT stores have very strong signal. They're in busy malls, so they likely have strong cell coverage or a repeater. I can't even get my phone to drop.

The difference between phones gives me hope...
 
How's this for a statement? Every iPhone 4 built to date has the reception defect!

Prove me wrong by showing two iPhone 4's side by side, one showing the defect and one not. Until then it's obvious that the people that think they have a perfect iPhone haven't been in a bad location yet.

You may be right we can make our bars drop on our four iP4'S but not every time although we have defo made each phone do it, mine for instance sometimes no matter how i try i can't get the bars to drop at home or at the office, but other times i can. when i can get it do it i can feel a slight tingling sensation in my finger and i kind of like it LOL

But it is not a problem because we live and work in a good reception area!
 
I'd second that. But it also gives me doubts about how Apple will respond to us asking to swap the 'faulty' phones after our 30 days grace.

Well, the warranty is one year. You may have to be persistent, but it would be good to know if there's at least a remedy vs sorry Charlie maybe next year.
 
please don't turn this thread into "random ideas / experiences about the reception issue" again

the rules are:

Same person + same location + different phones = different results

if your story doesn't exactly match this criteria, it's redundant,
thank you
 
Update! you are right in my opinion used three more IP4's today bought last Friday they all have the same reception issue again we live and work in a good reception area, but was able to lose two bars on all three new IP4's, new batch? Nah same phone same problem,

Will try this week to get the guys in the macintime office to shoot a video of them all side by side hand in hand!
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video or it didn't happen i hear the newbies cry!
 
Update! you are right in my opinion used three more IP4's today bought last Friday they all have the same reception issue again we live and work in a good reception area, but was able to lose two bars on all three new IP4's, new batch? Nah same phone same problem,

Will try this week to get the guys in the macintime office to shoot a video of them all side by side hand in hand!
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video or it didn't happen i hear the newbies cry!

What does this have to do with the OP?
 
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