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Can I ask you something?
Why the hell do you want everyone's phones to be defective? How is this a constructive topic? What gives you the right to screw with people who are perfectly content with their phone?
My phone is fine. Data is just fine. Faster than my 3G. IF I squeeze my phone til its about to break my palm's skin, then I lose a few bars, but if I touch the side, I don't. To me, I don't have this problem. No dropped calls, nada zilch, held in the left hand.
Do you want me to death grip my phone so your point can be proven? News flash: no one death grips their phone when they are on a call. IT is actually quite uncomfortable to hold your phone in that manner.
Moral of the story: mind your own tech. If your phone is messed up, facilitate complaints towards Apple with users who share your experience, but leave the folks who don't have an issue alone. We don't want to be bothered for crying out loud.
citrate, maybe it's the cynic in me, but i think most people aren't going to go out of their way to prove the expensive device they just bought is faulty. there is already enough evidence out there showing that there is a serious issue. anecdotal reports also heavily suggest that location and signal strength play huge factors in the observation of the problem. some people are simply not able to replicate the issue based on where the live, their skins clamminess or who knows what other factors. the problem is real, just not an issue for everyone based on particular circumstances.
Yes, "like me," which I can only imply to mean that I said something "like" that, which I did not. I think you need a lesson in logic. That would be far more product than what you are doing in this thread.
I don't want everyones to be defective, nor will this thread make them defective. I just want to try and find out if that is the case. Unfortunetly too many people would rather bury their heads in the sand and you appear to be one of them. And from your post you clearly don't understand the problem so there's no point in continuing with my reply.
Well you imply wrong and you may want to join me on that logic lesson. I'm not here to argue, I'm here for hard evidence and 33 posts in and nothing. Time will tell I guess.
Me and my roommate both have iPhone 4s but neither of our reception goes below 3 bars after compressing the antenna for a couple of minutes on the lower corner as exhibited online. It is tough to prove to you that our phones work when you want one that doesn't work side by side... we only have working phones, no defective phones unfortunately. Sorry to see you have this problem though.
Unless I squeeze the hell out of it, I have no issues. It's a non-issue for me since I don't hold the phone in a way that hinders reception. Serious question- do you actually squeeze your phone like that when you're on a call? If so, why not try another way. And for all the complainers who are now frantic about the reception- was it happening before you read all about it? Did it actually interfere with use of your iPhone before actually TRYING to block reception? Just some thoughts.
Thanks for the reply dude. It could be that you will both have issues in other locations though as other people have stated. I myself have no issues at all at work but at home I go from 4 bars to no signal. I hope I'm wrong and you do have a fully functional phone, and then I would be jealous!
I hold it in the same way as my 3GS and my 3G. You don't have to squeeze it if your in the 'right' location. It's hard to explain to someone that hasn't experienced the problem. I have 2 iPhone here and both show the problem with normal handling.
I'm not burying my head in the sand however, No one is going to feed you buy posting pics of their iPhone. Because then you would probarly insist that they were photoshopped,etc.
You obviously and others have an issue with their iPhone and that's terrible but don't insist that other people who are not having the same issue are just blind to it. Because that's not that case. Now i'm sure someone will humor you.
But your pretty much saying "Pics? Or it didn't happen" and i don't buy into that sell. My device is working good and i paid 649 dollars for it since i didn't have an upgrade coming to me. So you best believe that if my iPhone was having an issue i would be wanting it resolved.
just to clear things up:
For the phone to loose signal you need to cover the left black line on the rim - effectively shorting out the bottom and left antennas.
I'm tired of people saying "My iPhone doesn't have the antenna issue, I'm holding it in my left hand and the signal is fine".
Well yes, it will be fine if you are not touching over the black line.
Simple: Every iPhone 4 has this issue.
For the phone to loose signal you need to cover the left black line on the rim - effectively shorting out the bottom and left antennas.
I'm tired of people saying "My iPhone doesn't have the antenna issue, I'm holding it in my left hand and the signal is fine".
Well yes, it will be fine if you are not touching over the black line.
Simple: Every iPhone 4 has this issue.
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Well I have experienced it, but not from normal use, only if I'm actually trying to recreate the situation by squeezing and covering the antenna. I was just trying to point out that this has become a huge ordeal because of people TRYING to lose service, rather than it occurring during normal use.
I fully understand the problem.
I will give you a break down:
There seems to be two components: 1. Software, 2. Hardware.
Let's start with hardware first.
I did two tests:
I held the phone on the side with my thumb as seen in this photo: http://i48.tinypic.com/2djdkys.jpg
I did this for a long time. There was no fluctuation in signal. I even SQUEEZED the band. I have squeezed the frame also with most of my palm avoiding the slit, nothing happened.
Next I held my phone very tightly as seen in this photo: http://i48.tinypic.com/2iqb95d.jpg
After a minute, I had lost almost all signal. However, if I kept my phone in this position and walked around my home, I regained signal.
So what does this show? What conclusions can we draw?
The only difference between the two positions I held the phone is that the exposed side of the antenna when the band is facing you has flesh contact when you squeeze the phone. See this photo here: http://i46.tinypic.com/2uhwdqo.jpg
See the frame face that is facing you in the photo? Your flesh enters that crevice created by the display and the steel band, and your flesh touches that very small exposed antenna surface (in my case)>
This proves:
1. There is a coating on the antenna. There has to be. Otherwise you would lose signal from just pressing on the side with your thumb (IN MY CASE ONLY, others may not have a well coated side since there are videos on youtube with people losing signal just by a slight touch).
This explains the wetness theory also if your hands are wet and you contact the slit, well, if the water is touching uncoated regions of the slit, the conducive nature of the water will lead act as a conducting agent between you and the antenna and will cause signal attenuation.
Also, this explains people who don't have signal issues at all.
Software: Why is it also a software issue? When it comes to maintaining signal and communication linkage with cell towers, cellular engineers code in every mobile device a program that deals with signal interpretation and maintaining linkage by having the phone counterbalance signal attenuation (or some other engineering feat which I am not versed in, none-the-less, this is a fact).
So for instance, some people who squeeze near towers maintain full signal while others who don't squeeze near towers lose signals. This is a clear example of this. Why did I regain all signal when I moved my position in my home? I didn't walk a thousand feet or a mile to regain all 5 bars, I walked maybe 20 feet in my home and regained all five bars maintaining that death squeeze position on my handset. What is the explanation of that? It HAS to be software. Radio signals are so long that you couldn't possibly gain such an improvement in 20 feet if a tower were 20 feet closer.
Another example of this if you look in the past was an iOS update released when iPhones had issue maintaining signal with AT&Ts cell towers. And what happened? Most people reported that signal issues for the most part were improved.
So this doesn't mean it cannot be a software issue either. The radios in the phone and the software in iOS has a lot to do with this. The software side does exist in every mobile phone.
Now, you were saying? My head is in the sand right?
Oh yeah,
Conclusion: Some phones have a more severe issue than others.
Let's get the pics/clips first before I can moan about them be Photoshoped. I doubt they will come too be honest. I hope they do, for once I want to be proved wrong. We're not going to agree on this one so no hard feelings.
Let's not lose focus here people. I/we don't want to hear from people who are/aren't having the reception issue. We want to see proof from someone who ISN'T having the defect and by that I mean showing two iPhones, one that works and one that doesn't in the same location. There are plently of threads for people to say that they do/don't have the problem.
I fully understand the problem.
I will give you a break down:
There seems to be two components: 1. Software, 2. Hardware.
Let's start with hardware first.
I did two tests:
I held the phone on the side with my thumb as seen in this photo: http://i48.tinypic.com/2djdkys.jpg
I did this for a long time. There was no fluctuation in signal. I even SQUEEZED the band. I have squeezed the frame also with most of my palm avoiding the slit, nothing happened.
Next I held my phone very tightly as seen in this photo: http://i48.tinypic.com/2iqb95d.jpg
After a minute, I had lost almost all signal. However, if I kept my phone in this position and walked around my home, I regained signal.
So what does this show? What conclusions can we draw?
The only difference between the two positions I held the phone is that the exposed side of the antenna when the band is facing you has flesh contact when you squeeze the phone. See this photo here: http://i46.tinypic.com/2uhwdqo.jpg
See the frame face that is facing you in the photo? Your flesh enters that crevice created by the display and the steel band, and your flesh touches that very small exposed antenna surface (in my case)>
This proves:
1. There is a coating on the antenna. There has to be. Otherwise you would lose signal from just pressing on the side with your thumb (IN MY CASE ONLY, others may not have a well coated side since there are videos on youtube with people losing signal just by a slight touch).
This explains the wetness theory also if your hands are wet and you contact the slit, well, if the water is touching uncoated regions of the slit, the conducive nature of the water will lead act as a conducting agent between you and the antenna and will cause signal attenuation.
Also, this explains people who don't have signal issues at all.
Software: Why is it also a software issue? When it comes to maintaining signal and communication linkage with cell towers, cellular engineers code in every mobile device a program that deals with signal interpretation and maintaining linkage by having the phone counterbalance signal attenuation (or some other engineering feat which I am not versed in, none-the-less, this is a fact).
So for instance, some people who squeeze near towers maintain full signal while others who don't squeeze near towers lose signals. This is a clear example of this. Why did I regain all signal when I moved my position in my home? I didn't walk a thousand feet or a mile to regain all 5 bars, I walked maybe 20 feet in my home and regained all five bars maintaining that death squeeze position on my handset. What is the explanation of that? It HAS to be software. Radio signals are so long that you couldn't possibly gain such an improvement in 20 feet if a tower were 20 feet closer.
Another example of this if you look in the past was an iOS update released when iPhones had issue maintaining signal with AT&Ts cell towers. And what happened? Most people reported that signal issues for the most part were improved.
So this doesn't mean it cannot be a software issue either. The radios in the phone and the software in iOS has a lot to do with this. The software side does exist in every mobile phone.
Now, you were saying? My head is in the sand right?
There is no coating that thin that could possible prevent your hands from absorbing the radio waves and also connecting both antennas. It has been proven that the issue still exists when electrical tape is applied round the rim. Your hand still conducts since it is so close. Think of it like this, when you put an invisible shield onto your iPhone screen, you are still able to touch it since the electricity is flowing straight through, even though there is still a barrier. So yes, your head is still in the sand.
I agree with citrate.
I think it's time we tested these claims of working iPhones. Should be easy enough to do. We can use a coin (one which is proven to cause the issue) and the speed test app to demonstrate the issue (or lack of issue).
VIDEO ONLY
No photos, too easy to doctor.
I think it's time we tested these claims of working iPhones. Should be easy enough to do. We can use a coin (one which is proven to cause the issue) and the speed test app to demonstrate the issue (or lack of issue).
VIDEO ONLY
No photos, too easy to doctor.
so is it a location, i.e. ATT issue you are trying to prove or A hardware issue, i.e. Apple)
2nd, There are 1.5 million 4s out there and other than this forum of which there are several hundred people trying to "replicate" failure how many people are really UNhappy?
Replicate
a close or exact copy; a replica.
a repetition of an experimental test or procedure.
If people have to experiment to make the phone fail what does that mean?
If you follow my advice (replicate) and drive your car with your foot on the brake your brakes will fail EVERYTIME, however the 4 only fails in SPECIFiC instances involving location....i'm confused WHAT are you trying to prove?
My Mother has heard about this problem, living in the UK and she can't use e-mail let alone a smartphone.
It's all over the international press.