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iPhone user and iOS fan since 2007.

In 2024 things changes a lot and iOS lost it's smoothness and became an overloaded, laggy OS with destroyed Photo app etc. while Android 15 became an ultra fast and clean OS.

No innovation for iPhone hardware and the huge size as well as heavy weight made me move to Android flip phone until Apple will catch up with the incredible technology coming from Asia.
60HZ and no mini or foldable phone is just sad.
Your assessment is spot on. I've been saying this for years now. Android is the more stable and outright better OS now. Anyone who doesn't believe me should actually try Android out sometime. You'll see the difference. The tables have turned, and 5-6 years ago I would've never thought I would say this, but it is true. I have an iPhone for work, so I experience both OS's daily.
 
Are you sure about that?

The promo carefully avoids seeing the front of it. I would assume because they are hiding something
Yes it does, see here:


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I would instantly pay 2500$ for an iPhone 17 Flip or 1500$ for an iPhone 17 Mini.

I've topped at what I'll pay for a phone. I can afford it, but I'm not going to pay it..

Phones, regardless of design or abilities, are just not worth much more than $1200.

Your assessment is spot on. I've been saying this for years now. Android is the more stable and outright better OS now. Anyone who doesn't believe me should actually try Android out sometime. You'll see the difference. The tables have turned, and 5-6 years ago I would've never thought I would say this, but it is true. I have an iPhone for work, so I experience both OS's daily.

Agreed. My wife bought a Pixel 8 last year for $399 out-the-door, and I continue to be impressed with it. It's fast, stable and intuitive. I don't see any real advantage with my 16 Pro over it.
 
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I've topped at what I'll pay for a phone. I can afford it, but I'm not going to pay it..

Phones, regardless of design or abilities, are just not worth much more than $1200.



Agreed. My wife bought a Pixel 8 last year for $399 out-the-door, and I continue to be impressed with it. It's fast, stable and intuitive. I don't see any real advantage with my 16 Pro over it.
Agreed. I'm not a heavy phone user, so $1200 is my limit too.

My wife's Pixel 6 Pro is easily the equal of my iPhone 16 PM. I just don't see this big gap between Android and iOS phones anymore.



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Consumers look at performance first and foremost. They want to know if the CPU/GPU they buy is not only the fastest but will age well in three or four years.

Until a competitor can come close to touching the performance and efficiency of Apple Silicon all these design fads are just don’t sell well. They are doing Nokia Ngage level designs because they can’t compete against Apple Silicon.
 
Consumers look at performance first and foremost. They want to know if the CPU/GPU they buy is not only the fastest but will age well in three or four years.

Until a competitor can come close to touching the performance and efficiency of Apple Silicon all these design fads are just don’t sell well. They are doing Nokia Ngage level designs because they can’t compete against Apple Silicon.

I'd be flabbergasted if even more than half of iPhone consumers have any idea what processor the iPhone uses, how it compares to other companies, of that it's even Apple's silicon. Almost no one, other than enthusiasts, care about CPU/GPU specs. I don't.

People buy the newest and use it until they are ready to move on for whatever reason. There isn't much more to it than that.
 
What’s this obsession with thing thinness making all smartphone makers go crazy? Give us larger camera sensors, better battery, sturdy phones we’re not worried about using.
 
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iPhone user and iOS fan since 2007.

In 2024 things changes a lot and iOS lost it's smoothness and became an overloaded, laggy OS with destroyed Photo app etc. while Android 15 became an ultra fast and clean OS.

No innovation for iPhone hardware and the huge size as well as heavy weight made me move to Android flip phone until Apple will catch up with the incredible technology coming from Asia.
60HZ and no mini or foldable phone is just sad.
Apple prefers profits above all else. Their innovation is incremental and focused on not rocking the boat. It's sad they don't want to push boundaries anymore.
I'm not convinced we need foldable phones but I'd like to try this new phone and reserve judgement. The fact that folded it's as thin as what I have now in my hand is amazing
 
That's my experience. When I start blathering on about specs, etc. the eyes of the majority of people I know glaze over and they start singing a song in their head.

Yep.

It’s one reason I’m sort of blown away they have not given a modern iPhone 5C look a try for one of the models

Bold colors would really be a refreshing alternative right now


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Your assessment is spot on. I've been saying this for years now. Android is the more stable and outright better OS now. Anyone who doesn't believe me should actually try Android out sometime. You'll see the difference. The tables have turned, and 5-6 years ago I would've never thought I would say this, but it is true. I have an iPhone for work, so I experience both OS's daily.
Whatever, dudes. The problem with your 'assessments' is that most people don't buy an OS - they buy an experience. And for years now, that experience has increasingly included integration between devices. So even if Android were a better OS (which I definitely don't agree with), if one owns an Apple laptop, watch, AirPods, etc. in addition to an iPhone, all that lovely integration of features would be lost if one moved to an Android phone. No thanks.
 
Whatever, dudes. The problem with your 'assessments' is that most people don't buy an OS - they buy an experience. And for years now, that experience has increasingly included integration between devices. So even if Android were a better OS (which I definitely don't agree with), if one owns an Apple laptop, watch, AirPods, etc. in addition to an iPhone, all that lovely integration of features would be lost if one moved to an Android phone. No thanks.

Counterpoint -- I know several "normie" family members who use zero of the integration stuff

I know that seems crazy to everyone here, but Apple stuff has actually become rather complex in many ways

There are tons of features that, while great and I use them myself, are totally unknown to these "normal user" family members of mine
 
For years: "Foldable phones are so stupid, blah-blah crease, blah-blah chinese, blah-blah battery..."
Apple makes one (still not done): "instant buy! Well worth the price! a revolution!..."

The setup is a repeat of phablets sentiment before Apple went there: "stupid", "abominations", "fragmentation", "99% don't want", "one-handed-use", "pants with bigger pockets", "man purses." There are historical threads here. Do a search and explore threads dated BEFORE Apple went phablet. See pages and pages of the bulk of the crowd ripping the form factor in every way over several YEARS: probably tens of thousands of very passionate, anti-phablet posts.

Then Apple embraced them and it was "shut up and take my money" and "how did we ever get by with those puny screens?" Still looking for them pants with bigger pockets and man purses in the wild. And still dazzled how them all-important, one hands magically grew. ;)

The Appledom always hates what Apple doesn't have for sale right now... but then readily flips flops once Apple DOES embrace it. This will be no different. The obvious benefit of having BOTH an iPhone and an iPad in ONE device cannot be ignored. IMO: ALL apps are better with more screen R.E... which is one of the biggest reasons I opt to use a cellular iPad Mini with VOIP app and buds to double as my phone now. What can it NOT do that iPhone can? Fit into a pocket. How could THAT be remedied?
 
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Oppo was always just as quality focused as Apple given their past premium audio line they abandoned for maximum phone production. I still have several of those state of the art devices, and years later they command unusual high values. Now other than thickness the differences that Oppo is going with are different directions of appealing to more distinct customers which is going to sell more phones against design, The timing of both launches is not a coincidence. ;)

I still have an OPPO bluray player that I now occasionally use for CD playback. Wonderful construction indeed! They also built a few incredible headphones which I was lusting after but alas, they exited that market before I made my mind up. From examining their phones they are indeed still as quality oriented.
 
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