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World's Thinnest Notebook from Intel

Evangelion said:
Yeah, because the most important thing in operating-system is the way it looks :rolleyes:. And damn those Ubuntu-folks for making it utterly impossible to change the aesthetics!
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''Most people make the mistake of thinking design is what it looks like,'' says Steve Jobs, Apple's C.E.O. ''People think it's this veneer — that the designers are handed this box and told, 'Make it look good!' That's not what we think design is. It's not just what it looks like and feels like. Design is how it works.''
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Emphasise mine... ;)

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C02E7D8113BF933A05752C1A9659C8B63
 
And by the way: Apple is not a manufacturer. They design and distribute/sell their products, but they don't actually produce them (the latter is done by OEMs).
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Incorrect. For example Apple still manufacture iMacs here in Cork.
 
If I were a college students just needing a lightweight portable computer (no gaming, no pro app needs, etc.), it would be perfect.

Definitely a geared towards the ladies.

The extra screen would be nice if you had bluetooth headphones and a way to use that as your audio device. It would also need to be a little bit smaller.

Let's go Apple, get your ultra portable out there... "We're waiting..." - Judge Smails of Caddy Shack
 
Evangelion said:
Yeah, because the most important thing in operating-system is the way it looks :rolleyes:. And damn those Ubuntu-folks for making it utterly impossible to change the aesthetics!
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Yeah, actually, it is, because operating systems are VISUAL interfaces. The more visually simple, efficient and pleasing they are, the easier they are to use, the more inspiring they are and the more work you can get done.

And if you're talking about the different "skins" for Ubuntu. . . Okay, sure, people who study visual interfaces and design spent thousands of man hours making them. Oh, wait, that's OS X. Ubuntu skins are made by linux addicts in their spare time. Not the same.

Having said that, it Ubuntu does look about a million times better than Windows! ;)

And when I say "design aesthetic" I am referring to the way it works. The visual aspects of an OS cannon be removed from their functions.
 
ok, i dont understand why do people want thin laptops so badly? .7 inch? is it that much different from 1 inch? everyday when you go to school or go to work, do you care if your stack of books and/or papers in your bag today is .3 inch thicker than that from yesterday?
i mean come on, reducing weights is much more important.
 
Bad for Apple

Really bad for Apple, as Intel is entering into competition to one of its customers who they can hurt most via this approach: Apple.

All the super-clever posters who like to argue why it was good for Apple to switch to Intel, should wake up.

The whole crowed of PC manufactures uses the same processors, and now that what Apple should set apart from the PC world according their opinion, design, has definitely become obsolete, as Intel has announced this designer ultra-slim notebooks, which set admittedly a lead standard.

Also, don't forget, they are also Windows Vista ready, which itself is visually close to Mac OS X.

Frankly, Apple made a decision that is already turning into a nightmare for them. They should pull themselves together and start to work seriously on plan B, namely to enter again into a partnership with IBM, that is deeper, more serious and aimed for the future.

Both could profit from it, as IBM also needs the visibility in the desktop market, and Apple needs a hardware advantage over the rest of its competitors, to be able to build software again, that permits them to lead.

This move from Intel's side was very bad for Apple.
 
scrambledwonder said:
Yeah, actually, it is, because operating systems are VISUAL interfaces. The more visually simple, efficient and pleasing they are, the easier they are to use, the more inspiring they are and the more work you can get done.
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And what exactly makes you think that Ubuntu doesn't meet that goal whereas OS X does? The fact that you are an OS X-fanboy?

And when I say "design aesthetic" I am referring to the way it works. The visual aspects of an OS cannon be removed from their functions.
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Last time I checked, Ubuntu works just fine.

Partially off-topic but... Want to know wht is the absolutely WORST thing of being a Mac-user (which I am)? It's the other Mac-users. Too many of them are rabid fanatics who see absolutely no value in anything else that Macs and OS X. It's the Mac-way or the highway. OS X does something in certain way, and some other OS does it somewhat differently? The other OS sucks, and OS X is the only true OS.

Seriously: my OS of choice is OS X, but I also like Linux, and I'm a paying member of both FIMUG (Finnish Mac User Group) and FLUG (Finnish Linux User Group). And I must say that while the Linux-users dislike Windows and Microsoft due to all the unethical stuff Microsoft has done, they do not hate Mac-users or OS X. But I see all the time Mac-users treat both Windows AND Linux with utter contempt (well, folks in FIMUG are nice bunch of people, I'm not referring to them). It makes me annoyed and it makes me feel ashamed of Mac-users. I really see no reason for that kind of behaviour. Maybe it's due to some internal sense of elitims or something, but it still doesn't make it acceptable. If PC-fanboys are like schoolyard bullies who are teasing the "little guy", Mac-users are no different. They get picked on by Windows-folks. And they then in return attack the Linux-users.

Someone on these forums once said it best: "We Mac-users hould remember that Linux-users are righteous as well. They actually make the conscious decision to use a system that they like, instead of just using a system that is given to them". Really: keep that in mind. Linux could be one of the biggest allies Mac-users could have, yet it's routinely treated with contempt. Most of the Windows-users are mindless drones, very few of Linux or Mac-users are. There are more things that connect Mac-user and Linux-users to each other than there are things that connect Windows-users to either Macs or Linux. Yet Mac-users are doing their best to alienate Linux-users. And there really is no need for that.
 
rolandf said:
Really bad for Apple, as Intel is entering into competition to one of its customers who they can hurt most via this approach: Apple.
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Intel is not entering the laptop-market. They have made reference-designs in the past, and this in no different.

This move from Intel's side was very bad for Apple.
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No it is not. They made a laptop to show off what a laptop could look like, that's all. They have made these kinds of things in the past as well.
 
Metro??? Why is it called like that, because it's most likely this laptop with those straps will get stolen in the subway?

I don't think this is going to replace the MBP at WWDC. At BW they mention this model should hit the store as early this fall. It could be the new ultra portable which is also expected is fall.
the leather-like folder looks horrible, I don't think there are a lot of guys very attracted to these kind of straps and folders. I cannot imagine I also have to decide if the folder matches my tie??? No thanx...
I just hope there will be an MBP update at WWDC with LED display and Santa Rosa. It already looks great at the moment.

Wait a second, maybe Leopard is not going to be the new OS but a folder for the Metro!!! would look lovely....
 
Evangelion said:
And what exactly makes you think that Ubuntu doesn't meet that goal whereas OS X does? The fact that you are an OS X-fanboy?



Last time I checked, Ubuntu works just fine.

Partially off-topic but... Want to know wht is the absolutely WORST thing of being a Mac-user (which I am)? It's the other Mac-users. Too many of them are rabid fanatics who see absolutely no value in anything else that Macs and OS X. It's the Mac-way or the highway. OS X does something in certain way, and some other OS does it somewhat differently? The other OS sucks, and OS X is the only true OS.

Seriously: my OS of choice is OS X, but I also like Linux, and I'm a paying member of both FIMUG (Finnish Mac User Group) and FLUG (Finnish Linux User Group). And I must say that while the Linux-users dislike Windows and Microsoft due to all the unethical stuff Microsoft has done, they do not hate Mac-users or OS X. But I see all the time Mac-users treat both Windows AND Linux with utter contempt (well, folks in FIMUG are nice bunch of people, I'm not referring to them). It makes me annoyed and it makes me feel ashamed of Mac-users. I really see no reason for that kind of behaviour. Maybe it's due to some internal sense of elitims or something, but it still doesn't make it acceptable. If PC-fanboys are like schoolyard bullies who are teasing the "little guy", Mac-users are no different. They get picked on by Windows-folks. And they then in return attack the Linux-users.

Someone on these forums once said it best: "We Mac-users hould remember that Linux-users are righteous as well. They actually make the conscious decision to use a system that they like, instead of just using a system that is given to them". Really: keep that in mind. Linux could be one of the biggest allies Mac-users could have, yet it's routinely treated with contempt. Most of the Windows-users are mindless drones, very few of Linux or Mac-users are. There are more things that connect Mac-user and Linux-users to each other than there are things that connect Windows-users to either Macs or Linux. Yet Mac-users are doing their best to alienate Linux-users. And there really is no need for that.
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Well, yes, Ubuntu works fine. And I really like that it works well on older, less-powerful hardware (but so does OS X). I've used it and it's okay. I'm not totally blasting it. I just think that it's awkward when compared to OS X. Actually feels like the bastard child of OS X and Windows. Yes, that's an opinion. There is no scientific way to measure "design aesthetic." It's subjective.

I don't care if you use Ubuntu. Go for it. But I can still say "I think it's funky when compared to OS X." Does that mean I'm alienating you? Just about as much if I were to say "I like crew necks better than polo shirts" or "Makita is better than DeWalt." When I say Ubuntu is awkward, I'm not alienating Ubuntu users. I don't alienate people based on what OS they use, that's ridiculous. I'm engaged to a Windows user for chrissakes.

I don't have to say "everything is equally awesome ever" to get along with everybody.

You are trying to alienate people by calling them "OS X Fanboys." That's a term of derision. And really, I would expect someone who's not a "mindless drone" to come up with something better than "OS X Fanboy." :D
 
Evangelion said:
Intel is not entering the laptop-market. They have made reference-designs in the past, and this in no different....

...They made a laptop to show off what a laptop could look like, that's all. They have made these kinds of things in the past as well.
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Intel did try to enter the pc market at one time, and produced their own desktop towers. They failed miserably. I don't think Intel wants to repeat that.
 
Nitrox said:
I hope they don't choose to produce this advanced handbag.
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They may not choose to produce it, for like it was mentioned above, they failed miserably when they entered the dekstop market.

However, this does make an excellent concept prototype for say, an ultra-thin MacBook? :)
 
danny_w said:
Intel did try to enter the pc market at one time, and produced their own desktop towers. They failed miserably. I don't think Intel wants to repeat that.
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I think Intel took to heart the Apple commercial about freeing the Intel chip from dull computers. For a while now they been trying to get a little of Apple rub off on them and been trying to get companies to design more exciting machines. This reference laptop is to show other pc manufactorers what it is possible.

No they are not going to manufacture systems.
 
scrambledwonder said:
Well, yes, Ubuntu works fine. And I really like that it works well on older, less-powerful hardware (but so does OS X). I've used it and it's okay. I'm not totally blasting it. I just think that it's awkward when compared to OS X. Actually feels like the bastard child of OS X and Windows. Yes, that's an opinion. There is no scientific way to measure "design aesthetic." It's subjective.
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I really don't see how Ubuntu (or rather GNOME, the UI) is a "bastard-child" of Windows and OS X. Sure, it follows the WIMP-paradigm as do all major desktop-GUI's these days, but that does not make it a "bastard-child". It actually has quite a few things that are different when compared to either Windows or OS X. It has no dock like OS X does. It doesn't have the "universal menubar" that OS X has. But it neither has Start-menu like Windows has. If you base your claims on the fact that some things in GNOME are similar to OS X and/or Windows, then you would have to consider ALL GUI's as "bastard children". Spaces in Leopard? Nicked straight from UNIX/Linux-GUI's. Spotlight? Apple got that from Beagle in GNOME. Fast User Switching? Windows did it first.

fact of the matter is that there isn't any REALLY original GUI's these days. They all borrow stuff from each other.

I don't care if you use Ubuntu. Go for it. But I can still say "I think it's funky when compared to OS X." Does that mean I'm alienating you?
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I'm not referring to you in particular, I'm referring to the Mac-community as a whole.
 
scrambledwonder said:
Yeah, actually, it is, because operating systems are VISUAL interfaces. The more visually simple, efficient and pleasing they are, the easier they are to use, the more inspiring they are and the more work you can get done.
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Different strokes for different folks, I guess. To me, an operating system is all about efficiently scheduling the use of low-level system resources to manage services -- most of which the end-user never even knows about, much less would care about looking at.

A visual interface is important for user applications, all right. But from my perspective, I don't care what design elements, widgets, etc the operating system provides. Each individual application needs to make intelligent use of those elements, or else provide alternative implementations if the facilities provided by the OS don't fit the most effective paradigm for conveying the type of information provided by the application. Personally, I don't care if it's the OS or the application that provides such elements.

To me, the essential experience of using Firefox is the same no matter what OS I'm running it on, be it Mac OS X, or Windows 98, or Fedora Core running a Windows 3.1-esque theme. I prefer having menu bars attached to each individual application's program window, but I've quickly adjusted to the few extra inches of mouse movements I need to take on my Mac.

Mind you, some UI themes are just bad ideas. I cannot use Windows Vista's Aero Premium interface -- the transparency effects give me a headache. So I just throttle back to the Aero Basic or Windows Classic theme and I'm comfortable again.
 
I hope this is going to be by Apple

If this isnt going to be for Apple, or at least quickly followed by Apple, then
they are in for a bit of trouble.

It seems hard to believe that the innovator of the iPOD could be beaten in its design reputation, but if this isnt theirs, one of their biggest non iPOD identity products, their laptops, might not retain the lead they've been building, despite some CRAPPY chips in the REV A Macbooks. Good one, Intel.

The poster who talked about the relationship with Intel might have a point, except that I dont think any of the other chipmakers have Apple's interest at heart, though I think a progression of the IBM Altivec would be so cool.
There's got to be some chip engineers out there itching to compete, but
production, etc, blah blah blah.

What is going on with the Internet lately and Safari? It seems like Yahoo
and a multitude of other websites are just sucking up to the M-SHAFT everywhere, and disabling Mac access. Obviously the free nature of the net
is being eroded, all courtesy of the M-SHAFT morons and their crybaby
legal tactics. You should see some of Paul Allen's condo developments here
in Seattle. They are exactly as mediocre and hype-over-quality as Vista.
These guys have no vision, and still Jobs has to lick Gates in public.
Of course, Ballmer's the useless troll now. I sure hope Google's online
software strategy drives a stake through the heart of MSHAFT.
 
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