Would no Touch ID/face detection instead on iPhone 8 work for you?

thadoggfather

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of course we don't know if they will or how they will address it being at least as convenient/efficient as Touch ID but if the iPhone 8 does have limitations to put sensor through the screen on OLED, and they resort to face detection instead,

how would you feel about this?

I just wonder how they'd address the phone laying away from it directly facing your face and still unlocking (i.e. phone laying on couch next to you, face up) if they can at all

lots of if's, but I think its an interesting thing to consider

I dont tihkn I want facial recognition personally..
 

DMVillain

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I feel this could be easily beat with a picture, like Samsung's was. Hopefully it's better. Also worried about how to unlock the phone in the dark.
 

Floris

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How I feel about it? I really do not want it.
I want touch-id, it works great, feels secure, it's easy for apple-pay and when you're moving, you dont want to stand still and slow down etc just for holding up the phone to your face, when all you need is an unlock.
I rather wait for iPhone 8s with touch-id, if that's an option.
 

EM2013

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The rumor is that it's faster than using Touch ID and it'll work even when the phone is on a table.

If that's true, then I'm curious to know how it'll work when you're just trying to check the time and/or notifications.
 

Ralfi

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The rumor is that it's faster than using Touch ID and it'll work even when the phone is on a table.

If that's true, then I'm curious to know how it'll work when you're just trying to check the time and/or notifications.
Checking time/notifications became easier when they enabled the tilt feature, where you didn't need to unlock the phone.

I wonder how this will be impacted with facial recognition - wouldn't want the phone unlocking every time when you just want to glance at time/notifications.

I don't want it on the back as it means you need to pick up the phone to unlock it - I regularly unlock it whilst flat on a table. Also, what about when the phone is in a car cradle - you don't want to dismount the phone to unlock it every time (whilst pulled over of course).

Interesting to see how it pans out.
 

Charadis

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If it is a form of facial recognition, maybe it would work like Kinect? Where it would use a 3-dimensional facial signature, but in addition to facial features/selfie together.

That would be cool
 

kockgunner

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I'm sorry, but all these posts remind me of the skeptics for the iPod, iPhone, and iPad.

Of course, the facial recognition will have to be better than what's on the market for it to beat TouchID, but to say you prefer to use a solution that requires you to have clean fingers and to touch the screen in a certain area, over something that supposed is able to sense your face even when the phone is flat on the table, sounds shortsighted. Apple doesn't half-ass most things. I'm sure they won't leave Apple Pay to facial recognition that can be bypassed with a picture like Samsung.
 

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It's a tough situation. I just stay open-minded and trust Apple knowingly they are deeply invested with User security cautions in mind as they always have. Which essentially translates into they have this whole thing figured out until September arrives. It just leaves open speculation for everyone else to determine how this will all configure with the iPhone 8. But I trust the Apple as I always have and they will deliver results. Now, it may not be the results everybody agree's with, Unfortunately technology cannot please everybody.
 
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thadoggfather

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I'm sorry, but all these posts remind me of the skeptics for the iPod, iPhone, and iPad.

Of course, the facial recognition will have to be better than what's on the market for it to beat TouchID, but to say you prefer to use a solution that requires you to have clean fingers and to touch the screen in a certain area, over something that supposed is able to sense your face even when the phone is flat on the table, sounds shortsighted. Apple doesn't half-ass most things. I'm sure they won't leave Apple Pay to facial recognition that can be bypassed with a picture like Samsung.
Good point about clean finger/misread Touch ID "Achilles heal"

..But it just seems like if they could pull this off, with heat seeking or something of a mature tech, For the many situations where it's laying flat away from your face, etc (all a big hypothetical'if' as aforementioned) it would be a tremendous technical feat, but also tremendously next level creepy, no?
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It's a tough situation. I just stay open-minded and trust Apple knowingly they are deeply invested with User security cautions in mind as they always have. Which essentially translates into they have this whole thing figured out until September arrives. It just leaves open speculation for everyone else to determine how this will all configure with the iPhone 8. But I trust the Apple as I always have and they will deliver results. Now, it may not be the results everybody agree's with, Unfortunately technology cannot please everybody.
My blind trust for Apple delivering results eroded with removal of the headphone jack.

I love my airpods to death and it's now a non-problem due to caving, but I hadn't gained using an adapter for the time in between

I maintain that courage didn't pay off despite still making a great phone I.e I don't feel I gained from removal of a headphone jack even if it is forcibly pushing wireless to the forefront

Same with USB-c forced upon us. Non issue but USB-c has taken off big time across many vendors and scopes outside of laptops, apple not offering a broad port spectrum wasn't the driving cause of USB-c current popularity (IMO) but rather versatility and physical reversibility that make it appealing (and an evolution of a 'universal' standard)
 
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Relentless Power

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My blind trust for Apple delivering results eroded with removal of the headphone jack.

I love my airpods to death and it's now a non-problem due to caving, but I hadn't gained using an adapter for the time in between
I can understand your dismay with the 3.5 mm Jack being removed. As I still do use my 6S plus regularly to use it when I'm not using my 7+. (I regularly would charge my device and use the 3.5 Jack at the same time.) And I also own the AirPods, one of the best products I purchased last year.

Ultimately What I meant when I said 'Delivering results', was Apple puts out a premium product that's well constructed and will last. But that also comes with a higher price tag attached.
 
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T'hain Esh Kelch

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If it was really good and fast, I could definitely use that instead. But unless it actually is *magical* in the Jobs sense, then I would prefer a TouchID.

But in the end it will most likely depend on the design vs. the 7S, and the price especially.
 
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pojo1806

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The more I think about it the more I hate the idea of losing Touch ID, rather it was on the back of the phone than gone completely.
 

twinlight

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Since I live in norway I don't get Apple Pay for another 5 years it will work fine without TouchID but I won't like it. If it's going to be acceptable it will have to work while I'm running, at an akward angle, without much delay.

I thought iOS 10 was going to give us workout apps with lockscreen maps and statistics? That would work without unlocking.
 

KeanosMagicHat

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If it is a form of facial recognition, maybe it would work like Kinect? Where it would use a 3-dimensional facial signature, but in addition to facial features/selfie together.

That would be cool
According to the rumours, that's pretty much exactly what they're planning a 3D aspect that takes into account the size of your nose, shape of your cheekbones etc