Would no Touch ID/face detection instead on iPhone 8 work for you?

Discussion in 'iPhone' started by thadoggfather, Jul 4, 2017.

  1. thadoggfather macrumors G4


    Oct 1, 2007
    of course we don't know if they will or how they will address it being at least as convenient/efficient as Touch ID but if the iPhone 8 does have limitations to put sensor through the screen on OLED, and they resort to face detection instead,

    how would you feel about this?

    I just wonder how they'd address the phone laying away from it directly facing your face and still unlocking (i.e. phone laying on couch next to you, face up) if they can at all

    lots of if's, but I think its an interesting thing to consider

    I dont tihkn I want facial recognition personally..
  2. joeblow7777 macrumors 603

    Sep 7, 2010
    As you say, there's a lot of "ifs". No one can really say unless it actually happens and we see how it's implemented.
    But my initial/current thoughts? I would greatly prefer TouchID.
  3. KeanosMagicHat macrumors 65816


    May 18, 2012
    I'd need convincing on the security aspect, especially given mobile payments, banking etc.
  4. DMVillain macrumors 6502a

    Jul 20, 2011
    I feel this could be easily beat with a picture, like Samsung's was. Hopefully it's better. Also worried about how to unlock the phone in the dark.
  5. Mlrollin91 macrumors G5


    Nov 20, 2008
    Ventura County
    Nope. TouchID on the front or no iPhone 8 for me. I've said it before, I have owned every new iPhone since the 3G, but no TouchID is a complete deal breaker for me. It also must be on the front. Face detection won't do it for me, and is probably a lot slower than Second Gen TouchID.
  6. Floris macrumors 68020


    Sep 7, 2007
    How I feel about it? I really do not want it.
    I want touch-id, it works great, feels secure, it's easy for apple-pay and when you're moving, you dont want to stand still and slow down etc just for holding up the phone to your face, when all you need is an unlock.
    I rather wait for iPhone 8s with touch-id, if that's an option.
  7. EM2013 macrumors 65816


    Sep 2, 2013
    The rumor is that it's faster than using Touch ID and it'll work even when the phone is on a table.

    If that's true, then I'm curious to know how it'll work when you're just trying to check the time and/or notifications.
  8. Ralfi macrumors 68020


    Dec 22, 2016
    Checking time/notifications became easier when they enabled the tilt feature, where you didn't need to unlock the phone.

    I wonder how this will be impacted with facial recognition - wouldn't want the phone unlocking every time when you just want to glance at time/notifications.

    I don't want it on the back as it means you need to pick up the phone to unlock it - I regularly unlock it whilst flat on a table. Also, what about when the phone is in a car cradle - you don't want to dismount the phone to unlock it every time (whilst pulled over of course).

    Interesting to see how it pans out.
  9. Applejuiced macrumors Westmere


    Apr 16, 2008
    At the iPhone hacks section.
    There's no way Im taking 80 selfies a day in order to unlock and access my phone.
  10. eyoungren macrumors Core


    Aug 31, 2011
    ten-zero-eleven-zero-zero by zero-two
    I still use passcodes.

    Currently, US case law says law enforcement can legally demand a fingerprint to unlock your device. But they cannot demand a passcode.

    Don't think it's a stretch for the courts to see your face the same way as your fingerprint.
  11. AlphaHumanus macrumors 6502a

    Feb 12, 2012
    No face recognition for me thanks. And leave my touchID where it’s at. I don’t mind keeping the home button if it’s the only way to keep touchID.
  12. Shark5150 macrumors 65816


    Sep 24, 2014
    I'm ok with it. I'll adapt. I'm sure  will work it out.
  13. Charadis macrumors 6502a

    Jul 3, 2010
    If it is a form of facial recognition, maybe it would work like Kinect? Where it would use a 3-dimensional facial signature, but in addition to facial features/selfie together.

    That would be cool
  14. joeblow7777 macrumors 603

    Sep 7, 2010
    Do you find yourself in many situations where law enforcement is asking to access your phone?
  15. kockgunner macrumors 68000


    Sep 24, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    I'm sorry, but all these posts remind me of the skeptics for the iPod, iPhone, and iPad.

    Of course, the facial recognition will have to be better than what's on the market for it to beat TouchID, but to say you prefer to use a solution that requires you to have clean fingers and to touch the screen in a certain area, over something that supposed is able to sense your face even when the phone is flat on the table, sounds shortsighted. Apple doesn't half-ass most things. I'm sure they won't leave Apple Pay to facial recognition that can be bypassed with a picture like Samsung.
  16. Relentless Power macrumors Penryn

    Relentless Power

    Jul 12, 2016
    It's a tough situation. I just stay open-minded and trust Apple knowingly they are deeply invested with User security cautions in mind as they always have. Which essentially translates into they have this whole thing figured out until September arrives. It just leaves open speculation for everyone else to determine how this will all configure with the iPhone 8. But I trust the Apple as I always have and they will deliver results. Now, it may not be the results everybody agree's with, Unfortunately technology cannot please everybody.
  17. thadoggfather, Jul 4, 2017
    Last edited: Jul 4, 2017

    thadoggfather thread starter macrumors G4


    Oct 1, 2007
    Good point about clean finger/misread Touch ID "Achilles heal"

    ..But it just seems like if they could pull this off, with heat seeking or something of a mature tech, For the many situations where it's laying flat away from your face, etc (all a big hypothetical'if' as aforementioned) it would be a tremendous technical feat, but also tremendously next level creepy, no?
    --- Post Merged, Jul 4, 2017 ---
    My blind trust for Apple delivering results eroded with removal of the headphone jack.

    I love my airpods to death and it's now a non-problem due to caving, but I hadn't gained using an adapter for the time in between

    I maintain that courage didn't pay off despite still making a great phone I.e I don't feel I gained from removal of a headphone jack even if it is forcibly pushing wireless to the forefront

    Same with USB-c forced upon us. Non issue but USB-c has taken off big time across many vendors and scopes outside of laptops, apple not offering a broad port spectrum wasn't the driving cause of USB-c current popularity (IMO) but rather versatility and physical reversibility that make it appealing (and an evolution of a 'universal' standard)
  18. Relentless Power macrumors Penryn

    Relentless Power

    Jul 12, 2016
    I can understand your dismay with the 3.5 mm Jack being removed. As I still do use my 6S plus regularly to use it when I'm not using my 7+. (I regularly would charge my device and use the 3.5 Jack at the same time.) And I also own the AirPods, one of the best products I purchased last year.

    Ultimately What I meant when I said 'Delivering results', was Apple puts out a premium product that's well constructed and will last. But that also comes with a higher price tag attached.
  19. T'hain Esh Kelch macrumors 601

    T'hain Esh Kelch

    Aug 5, 2001
    If it was really good and fast, I could definitely use that instead. But unless it actually is *magical* in the Jobs sense, then I would prefer a TouchID.

    But in the end it will most likely depend on the design vs. the 7S, and the price especially.
  20. pojo1806 macrumors 68000

    Feb 6, 2013
    United Kingdom
    The more I think about it the more I hate the idea of losing Touch ID, rather it was on the back of the phone than gone completely.
  21. Truefan31 macrumors 68040


    Aug 25, 2012
    Don't see why they can't at least put it in the power button if anything.
  22. twinlight macrumors 6502a


    Sep 4, 2016
    Since I live in norway I don't get Apple Pay for another 5 years it will work fine without TouchID but I won't like it. If it's going to be acceptable it will have to work while I'm running, at an akward angle, without much delay.

    I thought iOS 10 was going to give us workout apps with lockscreen maps and statistics? That would work without unlocking.
  23. malikkamran macrumors 6502


    Oct 6, 2016
  24. KeanosMagicHat macrumors 65816


    May 18, 2012
    According to the rumours, that's pretty much exactly what they're planning a 3D aspect that takes into account the size of your nose, shape of your cheekbones etc
  25. Newtons Apple macrumors Core

    Newtons Apple

    Mar 12, 2014
    Jacksonville, Florida
    You do not need to worry as if the banks do not approve that would be the end of Apple Pay and Apple will not let that happen. If it works well, I have no problem with it.

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